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If this actually ends up finishing well and tom refunds everyone. That will be a very rare occurrence in the BTC community. Despite there still being conspiracies bout how much BTC/money was actually made in the rise of BTC value and whether or not tom made a killing off our preorders....
I still think the fact remains, he will have paid us all back in the fiat value of what we initially paid. So, dont let this go to ur head yet tom but, if you do follow through to the very last penny...
Despite about what else u may / may have not been honest about in this project...it comes down to you being honest bout the most important part and following through on your word: getting people back their fiat. So, I thank you for this! and being one of the few in the community that came through on a promise to get their fiat back to them.
OTOH, if you screw the last people over that havent been refunded or have not refunded to the very last penny then I am sad to say your no different then all the other fuckin scammers that have tarnished this community and bitcoins reputation... so fuck you! you deserve the scammer tag like the rest of them.
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my gosh, that thing is nowhere near its performance / watt. If the board were being overdriven(which obviously it is) that would explain the tinyass heatsinks everywhere. Im not an elec engineer but I would suspect those smaller heatsinks wouldnt be needed if it was closer to its target performance would they?
So far, its pretty close to the power efficiency of an avy. Imagine if it is a die by die variance, this also might not even be the worse =P, there could be better, but may be even worse.
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Im confused....
Now, Im not that versed in power circuitry ... but how the hell can the PCB power circuitry design be so shitty that the board itself is using nearly 2x the power than the chip? iirc the SC was supposed to be like 60watts right? The whole unit is using 150ish .. how the fuck can the board be using 90watts?!?!?
Did some noob engineer design the board or some shit? I mean really.
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Well guys, I had planned on updating everyone with a video of a board hashing here in KC tonight, but I haven't been able to get that together yet, so I'm probably going to have to push it off until tomorrow. We are targeting a start of shipment next week, but I'm not quite ready to commit to that at the moment, given our past estimates. It's imminent, though.
I know Chip Geek, I'm going to try to ship out a unit ,at least one, before APril first if it's at all possible.
Chip Geek, I'm not sure. We may miss our power targets, that's been part of hte hold up... we think there's a problem with the power consumption and we're trying to figure out where it's having an issue. However, in the interests of time, we are going to be shipping what we have and going back and fixing while we are shipping, just so people can have their units. People are welcome to wait for the revised boards that should help out with the power issue if they want to delay their shipments... (heh, riiiight).
The power is still far less than any other unit, so it's not like it's something crazy or anything, but it's not 1w/GH and we're trying to locate the source of the power drain. It may require a revision of the substrate and/or the PCB.
Haha it's WAYYY less than 620 watts even at it's worst.
What's causing even more consternation is the fact that the wafer we burned for tests runs at far less power than a second wafer we mounted on the BGA package... so it may be a wafer by wafer thing, and sicne we only have two datapoints, it's hard to nail down the issue. We're rolling the other 4 wafers off the line shortly (they may be done already I think) - and that wil at least give us an idea of the power consumption between wafers with 6 data points.
Bogart, the rest of the 6 wafers, we have been holding off on the last 5 layers for the rest of the chips to be sure we don't need to make a tweak in the metal layer due to the power issue. I think we've pretty much settled that hte power issue is NOT in the chip, but somewhere in the substrate or PCB (or if it were in the chip, it's not something that's easily and quickly fixed).
Barrett: Depends on the power draw, it may be that the power draw is too high for the board and we need to scale the hashrate back. If that's the case, we'll send multiple units to cover the hashrate difference for orders.
SgtSpike: We are trying to nail it down. We have some boards at 1.76w, some at 2.5 and some at 4 and one at 6 <- although I think the ones at 4 and 6 have either a broken power regulator and/or a bad power brick, because they power brick is only 120w and it's drawing like 195 watts which is ridiculous. When I get hte firmware here in KC, I'll be running it off of an ATX PSU to eliminate the power brick as the culprit. So you see, this is why the power issue is causing some difficulties
Yes, I'm aware that Bitcointalk trolls will have a field day with everything I've just said. Heh. Even a broken power regulator and a bad power brick is still better than an Avalon, but in all honesty, at this point with bitcoin prices at 90 bucks a coin, I'm thinking no one is going to care at hte moment they just want to hash. Which is why we'll be shipping and then improving as we go.
If the cooling becomes an issue, like I said, we'd scale it back and ship multiple units.
Smith88: We will ship whatever we have to to get people hashing at their expected GH.
Lap_Rat: No, worst case is 195w, but the power systems on the board aren't rated to handle that really I don't think, so we'd back off the hashrate before we'd let it get that high.
Yeah I think 120w is a nice comfortable number. It can probably got a bit higher than that, but 195w is probably not where we want to be.
ROFL, thats not better then a fuckin avalon! Avalon has been shipping, BFL has not ... |
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UPDATE:
After a few days, few emails to tom... as of today Im finally fully refunded =)
He apologized for a mixup on the spreadsheet which lead to only being refunded 3BTC at first.
The nice thing is, he honored the rest of the refund at the 75$ rate of a few days ago rather than the 90+ rate of today...
So, Im a happier camper now.
So, mark me as fully refunded in the OP =)
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lol telco powered glow in the dark vibrator...thats awesome! I remember , I hated to work on phone systems while they were live, if I was doin wire tracing or whatnot. The voltage raises by 2x when someone picks up the line, enough to give ya a good electrical feedback when you touch the wires... whereas there non off the hook voltage isnt really high enough to feel it. I think its like 20 "idle" and 40v when phone off the hook. |
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you guys are also assuming profitability based on current prices. If indeed we are in a huge btc bubble and it pops...avy may very well end up making not much / day. Meaning that .5BTC could be nearly worthless =( and that would suck.
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GenTarkin: Everything is fine, Tom assumed that the rate will be 200 in a few weeks and is already using this new rate. Otherwise you have to wait until the bitcoin reaches this 200!
Well see it the other way - you are one of the lucky people getting some payment. A lot of others - including me - did not get a single satoshi. Did Tom promise you a payment?
huh? naw this is not cool... he needs to do it at 'current rate' not some supposed forecasted rate. I highly doubt BTC will be 200$ anytime soon =P |
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So this is odd.... Im in the OP .. can see my 630$ order there...
Tonight tom sends me this email:
"I apologize I have been trying very hard to keep in contact
usually I do refunds on fridays but yours is small enough I can do it now
thank you for your patience and sorry the bASIC project failed
Tom
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I see a woppin 3BTC in my wallet! ... um... 3BTC <> 630$ .... seriously, wtf tom?!
To the OP .. please update my entry in the list I guess .. partial payment of 3BTC....
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Yeah, the batch 2 delay is brutal. ASICMiner is talking about rolling out 50Th in April.  Really?! they are still makin more asics? psh... |
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1. Thanks for the update
2. Fuck you AVALON! fucking liars ..will there ever be a company that doesnt lie about when expected shiping dates will be...fuck... 1.5months late on batch 2..seriously?!
I guess u arent as bad as BFL... but shit... would appreciate an honest company someday...ugh
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WTF?! he didnt refund me either! He said last week in email I would be on this fridays list to receive refund. Still fucking havent.........
Tom, come on seriously!
Glad some of u got ur refund =)
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yes, the biggest bummer is delay of batch 2 shipment....ugh.... guess it wont be here for my birthday after all =(
Wish they would take this crap into account when advertising the shipment of the batches on purchasing them.
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Its kinda hard to believe thats all thats left lol... but nonetheless if true, thats quite impressive. Soon as every last person is paid off ... I will have taken back nearly everything negative I said about Tom.
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Well, received this from tom regarding my order:
"I apologize for my typographical error (it's very early in the morning here)
you will receive your payment on 03/22 not 03/14"
We shall see... It sucks that BTC has gone up so damn much and we just get back at USD equivilant.. but, regardless, its something.
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Refund received. Thanks Tom.
Thank you Theymos.
HOLY SHIT YOU GOT UR REFUND?!?!?! NICE MAN! |
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ROFL... maybe the 2.5GH/s refers to the whole wafers output combined =P HAHA!
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WOW, no fuckin way! .. pretty cool =) waiting on my measly order psh...only 630$ or so.. email me your order # and address to make sure your on my list I just did... =) let me know. |
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WOW, no fuckin way! .. pretty cool =) waiting on my measly order psh...only 630$ or so.. |
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