Why I'm an atheist

[Edward_Ray]

Very many points there. I understand that with your mindset, these are great arguments. And many people actually share this view too. But it doesn't take much time before one realizes that these arguments are straw-man. Of course, I don't have as much time as you to pick at everything. But I will touch on one. You made a point about God asking, "Who created me?" This really portrays a very shallow understanding of the image of the God most religions present. If God is still seen as All-knowing, Almighty and Omnipresent, then this question doesn't even arise in anyway. If he created time, space and matter, then He certainly exists outside it.

[UnknownTraders]

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.

[BADecker]

There aren't any atheists, because way down deep, nobody believes that God doesn't exist. The fact that someone suggests that God doesn't exist, shows that this so-called atheist is setting himself up to be a god, by suggesting something that he can't know for a fact... that God doesn't exist. So, he is self-contradictory setting himself up as a god, while at the same time claiming that he doesn't exist when he says that God doesn't exist.

[PSYCHE0317]

Life’s better without him
Religion is about control and limitation. Rules, laws and rituals that restrict and govern behaviour. In some cases – say the genital mutilation of infants in barbaric rites of passage practised by religions such as Judiasm – they actually persuade nice people to do awful things.

Which is to say nothing of the countless other horrors committed in the name of God and religion. Suicide bombings, torture, genocide, forced marriages, unwanted babies, war – the list is endless.

A life without religion and without God thus offers freedom from all of these miseries. It offers a person the opportunity to do what they like, in line with their own moral code, within the parameters of the society in which they live. Each decision to be taken is evaluated on its own merits, weighing up the pros and cons, and is not forced down a path by a pre-existing code of conduct dating from a time of ignorance and superstition.

[BADecker]

Everybody who is an atheist, is so because he wants to be, not because there is any lack of evidence/proof for the existence of God.

[robbietobby]

This thread have been repeating all over again. Well as far as the bitcoin is concern, religion can be bias and with political views that some people does not want at their own. Most probably people are earning love nor people are earning money in getting what they want just because they attach or stick to their own. In my personal experience, religion forms heirarchy wherein people can be renowned in her own ways. Some religion claim that they are saved. Anything that is rude to me is not similiar in everybody's eyes. So it does mean that all of us have their own views and prerogative on what religion you will took.

[mintaksaje]

I am an atheist because i don't want to work for someone and make that person rich from my work.

[BADecker]

I am an atheist because i don't want to work for someone and make that person rich from my work.

What does being independently wealthy have to do with being an atheist?

 

[Merritt_Baldric]

It has surely to do with education. I am sure we get introduced to religion since childhood. Moreover, you learn about it from people you live with it or on daily basis. Maybe you are not ready. Philosophy, science and religion are the same. Their role is to teach people. They just show us what can be done in a society and what should not. I know that science and religion clashes often but it is because people were immature in the past. Philosophy, the mother of all sciences is closely linked to religion. The first universities were created by priests. I believe people are atheist because they lack knowledge or are just not ready to open their heart.

[Moloch]

It has surely to do with education. I am sure we get introduced to religion since childhood. Moreover, you learn about it from people you live with it or on daily basis. Maybe you are not ready. Philosophy, science and religion are the same. Their role is to teach people. They just show us what can be done in a society and what should not. I know that science and religion clashes often but it is because people were immature in the past. Philosophy, the mother of all sciences is closely linked to religion. The first universities were created by priests. I believe people are atheist because they lack knowledge or are just not ready to open their heart.

I am not an atheist because I haven't heard of Jesus or read the bible, quite the opposite

I am an atheist BECAUSE I have read the bible... the bible says hundreds of evil things... everything from endorsing slavery, to endorsing murder and genocide... it is an EVIL book.  Period.  End of story.  How would an onmibenevolent God allow people to write such things about him?  If I were God, I would not endorse slavery in my holy book.  Sorry, I cannot accept that

It is simply not possible for God to be omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent, yet allow evil to exist in the world.  If God was all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful, evil would not exist... it's really that simple... the God of the bible is self-contradictory.  This is all the proof you need that god does not exist

[BADecker]

It has surely to do with education. I am sure we get introduced to religion since childhood. Moreover, you learn about it from people you live with it or on daily basis. Maybe you are not ready. Philosophy, science and religion are the same. Their role is to teach people. They just show us what can be done in a society and what should not. I know that science and religion clashes often but it is because people were immature in the past. Philosophy, the mother of all sciences is closely linked to religion. The first universities were created by priests. I believe people are atheist because they lack knowledge or are just not ready to open their heart.

Sorry, no, you are just plain wrong

I am not an atheist because I haven't heard of Jesus or read the bible, quite the opposite

I am an atheist BECAUSE I have read the bible... the bible says hundreds of evil things... everything from endorsing slavery, to endorsing murder and genocide... it is an EVIL book.  Period.  End of story.  How would an onmibenevolent God allow people to write such things about him?  If I were God, I would not endorse slavery in my holy book.  Sorry, I cannot accept that

It is simply not possible for God to be omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent, yet allow evil to exist in the world.  If God was all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful, evil would not exist... it's really that simple... the God of the bible is self-contradictory.  This is all the proof you need that god does not exist

Obviously you haven't read the Bible very well, have you.

Sounds like your choice is a political choice, rather than what is real and practical.

[Trading]

Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

[Trading]

This last post deserved at least some bashing from some believer.

[BADecker]

Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

While this is true, the greatest reason for the spread of Christianity is that God is bringing people to Christianity through the work of His Holy Spirit.

People often don't do it right. But since this whole world is dying - people usually don't live much longer than 100 years - salvation for Heaven is what counts. And such is what Christianity is all about.

[af_newbie]

Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

While this is true, the greatest reason for the spread of Christianity is that God is bringing people to Christianity through the work of His Holy Spirit.

People often don't do it right. But since this whole world is dying - people usually don't live much longer than 100 years - salvation for Heaven is what counts. And such is what Christianity is all about.

Let me guess, and you know how to do it "right".

BTW, where is heaven?

Christianity is a myth.  Many pregnant girls in the Bronze Age had to resort to ghosts to save themselves from stoning.

We even have one today:

https://thereisnews.com/pregnant-nun-says-it-was-holy-spirit/

Ironically, the church leaders are not convinced.

[Trading]

The problem of acceptance from believers that religion adoption is a matter of successful use of violence (mainly, conquest) or coercive and manipulative family education is that makes the spread of religions not a matter of its truthfulness, but a result of military and social trends.

Having one or another religion is essentially a question of random facts: someone born on a christian family, another on a Islamic one, etc.

Seeing here the "hand of god" leads to the conclusion that Islam is the truth religion, since it's the one growing faster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Demographics).

On the other hand, we might conclude also that god thinks atheism is right, taking in account how much it has grown on the last century. On many countries in Europe or on China there are already a majority of atheists.

[BADecker]

Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

While this is true, the greatest reason for the spread of Christianity is that God is bringing people to Christianity through the work of His Holy Spirit.

People often don't do it right. But since this whole world is dying - people usually don't live much longer than 100 years - salvation for Heaven is what counts. And such is what Christianity is all about.

Let me guess, and you know how to do it "right".

BTW, where is heaven?

Christianity is a myth.  Many pregnant girls in the Bronze Age had to resort to ghosts to save themselves from stoning.

We even have one today:

https://thereisnews.com/pregnant-nun-says-it-was-holy-spirit/

Ironically, the church leaders are not convinced.

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

[af_newbie]

Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

While this is true, the greatest reason for the spread of Christianity is that God is bringing people to Christianity through the work of His Holy Spirit.

People often don't do it right. But since this whole world is dying - people usually don't live much longer than 100 years - salvation for Heaven is what counts. And such is what Christianity is all about.

Let me guess, and you know how to do it "right".

BTW, where is heaven?

Christianity is a myth.  Many pregnant girls in the Bronze Age had to resort to ghosts to save themselves from stoning.

We even have one today:

https://thereisnews.com/pregnant-nun-says-it-was-holy-spirit/

Ironically, the church leaders are not convinced.

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

Dude, I don't know what a "spirit" is, never mind the "holy" one.

Let's start with the basic definition/description of "spirit" before we get to "salvation", lol.

What is a "spirit"?  A ghost?

WTF are you talking about?

[BADecker]

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

Dude, I don't know what a "spirit" is, never mind the "holy" one.

Let's start with the basic definition/description of "spirit" before we get to "salvation", lol.

What is a "spirit"?  A ghost?

WTF are you talking about?

I have seen some of the things that you post. Some of them are quite intelligent. So, why haven't you thought about looking through dictionaries, encyclopedias, and books on the subjects you are trying to find out about?

Science has virtually torn the brain apart. They know all about its connections and workings. But they still haven't been able to find the mind. They barely know how to start taking hold of the natural neural net that constitutes what the mind is.

So, they aren't going to have it easy when it comes to the complex mind, the emotions and "I am" identity. These things are along the lines of what the soul and spirit are.

Why are you so adamantly set against the facts of soul and spirit and emotion and mind, when these things are in use all day long... even by you. Advance along with science, and help find out what they are instead of denying the obvious. It's almost like you have a religion that wants to limit your thinking.

[af_newbie]

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

Dude, I don't know what a "spirit" is, never mind the "holy" one.

Let's start with the basic definition/description of "spirit" before we get to "salvation", lol.

What is a "spirit"?  A ghost?

WTF are you talking about?

I have seen some of the things that you post. Some of them are quite intelligent. So, why haven't you thought about looking through dictionaries, encyclopedias, and books on the subjects you are trying to find out about?

Science has virtually torn the brain apart. They know all about its connections and workings. But they still haven't been able to find the mind. They barely know how to start taking hold of the natural neural net that constitutes what the mind is.

So, they aren't going to have it easy when it comes to the complex mind, the emotions and "I am" identity. These things are along the lines of what the soul and spirit are.

Why are you so adamantly set against the facts of soul and spirit and emotion and mind, when these things are in use all day long... even by you. Advance along with science, and help find out what they are instead of denying the obvious. It's almost like you have a religion that wants to limit your thinking.

Your identity is inside your brain, I agree.  Your emotions are inside your brain.  You can call them spirit(s), no issues.

But do you believe spirits exist outside of your brain? What are they made of?

Where is the Holy Spirit, or any other spirit, other than human emotions located?

Forget your Christian mythology for a second, and think about the spirits, what are they and where are they right now?

Are they in our physical universe or outside of it?

If they are like God, residing outside of the known universe they are indistinguishable from things that do not exist such as fairies.

I think that this "spirit" idea is a fundamental concept of any religion.  

Once you unpack that, the rest of the storyline falls apart like a house of cards.

So it was a serious question: what are the spirits made of and where do they live?  And more specifically what is the Holy Spirit made of and where does he live?