Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[ASIC-K]

again, when i bought a mercury i knew it was going to be upgradable, but not a one time fire sale that lasted 3 minutes and couldn't even pay properly. not cool.

^-- Agree with the spirit of that.

Orama, do you guys have any comment as to why the business model is to still take 100% payment for things which are in the distance for shipping? Why not a 25/75, 60/40, etc? I could understand a few days for handling time, but when you're talking weeks or a month, there's capital gains involved.

I don't follow sorry, please elaborate on what you mean.

Some up front, some before delivery.  A lot of people lost buying miners @ spot prices 3x lower.

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[elasticband]

are the upgrade modules including fan, heatsink and cables? can anyone point me int he direction of links to everything needed

[CYPER]

@ anyone w/jupiter - what are you using for the 4th module with your V850s?

mine came with 3 'twin' connectors, so im using one connector 'twice' and it is HOT!

Twin molex to PCI-E is one solution.
Or I read that you can use one of the CPU slots to plug an additional PCI-E cable there (if you have any), but do your own research for that as I cannot be held responsible for any damages.

Btw if you send an email to Cooler Master to request additional PCI-E cables they will be happy to send you some. I'm currently waiting 7 to arrive:

Bless you, I'll email them immediately.

i saw the 2 molex - pci-e option in 2011 but not comfortable trying it on the jupiter

was curious what others are using - the twin method works but less than ideal, especially with an empty pci-e slot right thurr

what are you using to power ur extras, a second psu?

I would not use PCI-E to molex adaptors for a jupiter. those were designed with the 75W PCI-E limit in mind, and a single jupiter ASIC draws far more than 75w

Each 12V 18AWG cable is rated up to 11Amps, but let's be a little conservative and drop that down to 6Amps. So this Twin Molex to PCI-E has 2 of these = 12Amps, which is sufficient for a single module.

[edgar]

@ anyone w/jupiter - what are you using for the 4th module with your V850s?

mine came with 3 'twin' connectors, so im using one connector 'twice' and it is HOT!

Twin molex to PCI-E is one solution.
Or I read that you can use one of the CPU slots to plug an additional PCI-E cable there (if you have any), but do your own research for that as I cannot be held responsible for any damages.

Btw if you send an email to Cooler Master to request additional PCI-E cables they will be happy to send you some. I'm currently waiting 7 to arrive:

Bless you, I'll email them immediately.

i saw the 2 molex - pci-e option in 2011 but not comfortable trying it on the jupiter

was curious what others are using - the twin method works but less than ideal, especially with an empty pci-e slot right thurr

what are you using to power ur extras, a second psu?

I would not use PCI-E to molex adaptors for a jupiter. those were designed with the 75W PCI-E limit in mind, and a single jupiter ASIC draws far more than 75w

Each 12V 18AWG cable is rated up to 11Amps, but let's be a little conservative and drop that down to 6Amps. So this Twin Molex to PCI-E has 2 of these = 12Amps, which is sufficient for a single module.

still, its not happenin on my ONLY jupiter.

you with your 19 boards can give the double molex a spin..

[vesperwillow]

still, its not happenin on my ONLY jupiter.

you with your 19 boards can give the double molex a spin..

Current is current. You can use a cheap computer PSU and jump start a car battery with it. 6amp contuous load on 18ga is absolutely not an issue. He's using what's effecively a safety factor of 4 doing it the way he's doing it. I doubt he'll have issues.

[Bitcoinorama]

are the upgrade modules including fan, heatsink and cables? can anyone point me int he direction of links to everything needed

No heatsink, ergo, you need a heatsink.

[soy]

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-66

Today is the 15TH of November and we were due to start shipping, There is some bad news and some good news, The Bad news is the delivery of parts which we needed to begin today has been delayed by about 5-10 days
We found this out two days ago and have been working with the suppliers to get it as fast as possible but it’s not been possible I’m afraid,
 
But the good news is we can announce yet another performance improvement, All November batch boxes have a new PCB board and our engineers have been working overtime to improve the board as much as possible. We can now announce that the speed will be minimum of 650 GH/s in turbo mode or MORE depending on individual chip performance.  It’s important to note that the new turbo mode is not overclocking and will not void any warranty. But it’s also not available on the September/October Devices.
For the November shipments we are using UPS only and have increased the strength of the boxes to reduce the shipping issues.
We appreciate that any delay in shipment is not good news at all and we are doing EVERYTHING we can to decrease the delay.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team

Shipping delays applicable to miners, modules, both?

[Bogart]

again, when i bought a mercury i knew it was going to be upgradable, but not a one time fire sale that lasted 3 minutes and couldn't even pay properly. not cool.

^-- Agree with the spirit of that.

Orama, do you guys have any comment as to why the business model is to still take 100% payment for things which are in the distance for shipping? Why not a 25/75, 60/40, etc? I could understand a few days for handling time, but when you're talking weeks or a month, there's capital gains involved.

I don't follow sorry, please elaborate on what you mean.

Some up front, some before delivery.  A lot of people lost buying miners @ spot prices 3x lower.

Probably because it would be a logistical nightmare to manage all that.  KnC is spread thin enough as it is, it would appear, and they have no problem selling out all their stock with the much simpler one-payment-per-order model.

[Bitcoinorama]

again, when i bought a mercury i knew it was going to be upgradable, but not a one time fire sale that lasted 3 minutes and couldn't even pay properly. not cool.

^-- Agree with the spirit of that.

Orama, do you guys have any comment as to why the business model is to still take 100% payment for things which are in the distance for shipping? Why not a 25/75, 60/40, etc? I could understand a few days for handling time, but when you're talking weeks or a month, there's capital gains involved.

I don't follow sorry, please elaborate on what you mean.

Some up front, some before delivery.  A lot of people lost buying miners @ spot prices 3x lower.

Because some deadbeats don't pay, there were loads of issues with the VAT payments being withheld as people 'promised' they were in the process of setting up businesses to obtain a VAT number with the premise that the miners would ship regardless. There was a lot of chasing up there, and then whinging as people were placed at the back of the queue as they had't completed payment and therefore were not in the queue position they envisaged.

Queue placement is based upon full order payment. It's fair.

EDIT: and as above states. Logistical nightmare. We all understand the need to get these in peeps hands, therefore keep it clean, simple and organised. Don't mess around and then blame customer service as has frequently been witnessed here.

[Paladin69]

I got briefly excited when the fans arrived.

Where are mah modules!!1

Side note:  I can't tell a difference between the I30 and the A30.  The fan is on there really sturdy.

Wow. Complains about knc constantly and then buys a ton more of their goods. That's the definition of hypocracy.

For the record, I held my nose when ordering.  Something inside me said they wouldn't have them by Friday.  Not sure why the 200 couldn't ship based on order#.

It is certainly annoying paying @ 350 spot for something promised this week and it is now almost $100 higher with nothing churning till at least Wed/Thurs now of next week.

There needs to be a 50% down & 50% before delivery option in the future.  Then the risk isn't entirely on the investomer.

[Paladin69]

again, when i bought a mercury i knew it was going to be upgradable, but not a one time fire sale that lasted 3 minutes and couldn't even pay properly. not cool.

^-- Agree with the spirit of that.

Orama, do you guys have any comment as to why the business model is to still take 100% payment for things which are in the distance for shipping? Why not a 25/75, 60/40, etc? I could understand a few days for handling time, but when you're talking weeks or a month, there's capital gains involved.

I don't follow sorry, please elaborate on what you mean.

Some up front, some before delivery.  A lot of people lost buying miners @ spot prices 3x lower.

Because some deadbeats don't pay, there were loads of issues with the VAT payments being withheld as people 'promised' they were in the process of setting up businesses to obtain a VAT number with the premise that the miners would ship regardless. There was a lot of chasing up there, and then whinging as people were placed at the back of the queue as they had't completed payment and therefore were not in the queue position they envisaged.

Queue placement is based upon full order payment. It's fair.

EDIT: and as above states. Logistical nightmare. We all understand the need to get these in peeps hands, therefore keep it clean, simple and organised. Don't mess around and then blame customer service as has frequently been witnessed here.

There is a way to make it up to people.  You have our wallet addresses...hint, hint.

[edgar]

still, its not happenin on my ONLY jupiter.

you with your 19 boards can give the double molex a spin..

Current is current. You can use a cheap computer PSU and jump start a car battery with it. 6amp contuous load on 18ga is absolutely not an issue. He's using what's effecively a safety factor of 4 doing it the way he's doing it. I doubt he'll have issues.

Thx

I'd like to hear/see pics from other jupiter owners - wrt 4th PCI-e connector

Are there miners currently using 2 molex to PCI-e ?

[helmax]

@KNC or @Bitcoinorama: Does this delay also apply to the upgrade modules? Will the shipping of the upgrade modules begin with, before or after shipping of regular november orders?

Guy's I'll be honest and say. If you have a November batch and want to take full advantage, I'd be sourcing 1200w PSUs.

I'd still avoid the Cosair HX Series. You'd prob be fine with a solid 1000w+.

We've been testing on the V850s still, but as I alluded to before they've been pushing these around and over 1000w and the PSUs are solid and have been taking the abuse, but if I were you with future firmware revisions and from what I've seen: 1200w Gold rated PSUs for November batch orders FTW please!

 PSU 1200w?? god !

coolmaster only have max 1000w

[soy]

@ anyone - what are 'you guys' using for the 4th module with your V850s?

mine came with 3 'twin' connectors, so im using one connector 'twice' and it is HOT!

@ paladin69 - please stop lying!

@ Zelek Uther - same here, terribly variant and not an ounce of advice that helps consistently. Hold your breath for the 'tuning suite'

@ opentoe - careful with those facts mate, they'll have you tarred & feathered as a troll/shill/liar.

Speaking of hot wires, I use a cheap 12v adjustable power supply (ebay, 12V DC 30A 360W Regulated Switching Power Supply,  eBay item number:261198916470) and a BBB power supply combined to power my Merc.  I used 120vac extension cord wire from the 12 supply to 6pin PCI connectors.  The 120vac extension cord is rated at 15 amps.  It was getting warm while running firmware 0.94 so I doubled up, two lengths of extension cord in parallel to the 6 pin PCI connector.  I was going to power the Merc with two supplies, 720 watts, but it turned out not to be necessary.  I've ordered a module and will power it with the second.  For the price I don't see why one couldn't power each module with one of these even on a Jup.  What does a high wattage supply go for to power a Jup?  Just have to be careful to adjust the voltage on each to same - the grounds are common, I'll measure supply to supply and adjust for minimum difference.  Power supply to the Merc has not been a problem.  (Noise I saw on an Evo N610c screen with cgminer for a Jalapeno seems most likely to be from the Jalapeno or its supply. I had used a USB extension to a USB2.0 high speed port (not a USB 2.0 full speed port).  I moved the Jalapeno close to the N610c and now no noise.)

[elasticband]

currently running 5 jupiters using 4 860w PSU.

each PSU is running 5 boars. 2 x duel pci-e powering 1 whole jupiter, then a single pci-e out of each PSU powering the 5th jupiter.

pulling around 780w per psu

[Bitcoinorama]

I got briefly excited when the fans arrived.

Where are mah modules!!1

Side note:  I can't tell a difference between the I30 and the A30.  The fan is on there really sturdy.

Wow. Complains about knc constantly and then buys a ton more of their goods. That's the definition of hypocracy.

For the record, I held my nose when ordering.  Something inside me said they wouldn't have them by Friday.  Not sure why the 200 couldn't ship based on order#.

It is certainly annoying paying @ 350 spot for something promised this week and it is now almost $100 higher with nothing churning till at least Wed/Thurs now of next week.

There needs to be a 50% down & 50% before delivery option in the future.  Then the risk isn't entirely on the investomer.

Pffft. Last time i'm saying this. This is not an investment, we are not selling investments, that's a grey area that is going to bite companies that make such irresponsible claims. The BTC price is out of our hands as it is anyone else that sells something for a future delivery. This is hardware that was originally priced upon recovering the non reoccuring engineering costs divisible by the number of peeps that showed interest in the first month of pre-subscription. Which was why those guys were given first dibs with ordering, they made the project possible. By proving a 1,000 people existed with genuine intent, KnC could approach ORSoC, the rest you know.

Also how about this, how about we just run the damn purchase on the day we have the orders ready to ship (aside the obvious additional that has had to be made) - what's the difference sale on Tues, or Fri? Nothing in the grand scheme, aside we just had a stock count saw what was available and we feasibly had to keep aside for RMAs in future, and three days of whinging. Just be cool, and enjoy the wknd, something  I haven't had a chance to do a very long time!!

[Paladin69]

@edgar, lying about what?

I expressed interest in the modules if I could pay in fiat.  BTC is just too precious right now.

[1l1l11ll1l]

@ anyone w/jupiter - what are you using for the 4th module with your V850s?

mine came with 3 'twin' connectors, so im using one connector 'twice' and it is HOT!

Twin molex to PCI-E is one solution.
Or I read that you can use one of the CPU slots to plug an additional PCI-E cable there (if you have any), but do your own research for that as I cannot be held responsible for any damages.

Btw if you send an email to Cooler Master to request additional PCI-E cables they will be happy to send you some. I'm currently waiting 7 to arrive:

Bless you, I'll email them immediately.

i saw the 2 molex - pci-e option in 2011 but not comfortable trying it on the jupiter

was curious what others are using - the twin method works but less than ideal, especially with an empty pci-e slot right thurr

what are you using to power ur extras, a second psu?

I would not use PCI-E to molex adaptors for a jupiter. those were designed with the 75W PCI-E limit in mind, and a single jupiter ASIC draws far more than 75w

Agreed, just use the 8-pin CPU connector, just upside down

[1l1l11ll1l]

currently running 5 jupiters using 4 860w PSU.

each PSU is running 5 boars. 2 x duel pci-e powering 1 whole jupiter, then a single pci-e out of each PSU powering the 5th jupiter.

pulling around 780w per psu

Pics?
Also, what firmware?

[joeventura]

Also how about this, how about we just run the damn purchase on the day we have the orders ready to ship (aside the obvious additional that has had to be made) - what's the difference sale on Tues, or Fri? Nothing in the grand scheme, aside we just had a stock count saw what was available and we feasibly had to keep aside for RMAs in future, and three days of whinging. Just be cool, and enjoy the wknd, something  I haven't had a chance to do a very long time!!

Sounds like a great idea, but you wouldn't do it because it puts all the risk on KNC.

It's not a big deal, it's just about doing what you say you are going to do.

Not going to bore you with all the math of an additional 3 day delay.

Just do what you say you are going to do and your stock rises 10 fold.

Still think you are doing a great job and still appreciate all your efforts.