Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[markm]

Is this a buy now or forever be unable to upgrade kind of deal?

Or can we upgrade our Saturns or Mercurys at some future date once all this rush rush rush hustle is over?

As part of why I only got a Saturn in the first place is I figured it would be maybe a few months before I'd get around to upgrading...

(Like maybe wait and see how things look once the november units have shipped...)

This hustle hustle hustle is kind of annoying.

-MarkM-

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[bobsag3]

Good PSU and +/- cheap for jupiter? TX850 is good?

I would get atleast a HX1050- margin is allways good.

[Phoenix1969]

Is this a buy now or forever be unable to upgrade kind of deal?

Or can we upgrade our Saturns or Mercurys at some future date once all this rush rush rush hustle is over?

As part of why I only got a Saturn in the first place is I figured it would be maybe a few months before I'd get around to upgrading...

(Like maybe wait and see how things look once the november units have shipped...)

This hustle hustle hustle is kind of annoying.

-MarkM-

It's now or never..  November boards will not work in October machines.  

P.S. I purchased AX1200's for the Nov. Jupiters....   Given the"Tuning Suite" is coming.....  plus a bit more overhead is nice.

[sbfree]

Is this a buy now or forever be unable to upgrade kind of deal?

Or can we upgrade our Saturns or Mercurys at some future date once all this rush rush rush hustle is over?

As part of why I only got a Saturn in the first place is I figured it would be maybe a few months before I'd get around to upgrading...

(Like maybe wait and see how things look once the november units have shipped...)

This hustle hustle hustle is kind of annoying.

-MarkM-

It's now or never..  November boards will not work in October machines. 

phoenix, i missed the boat on a nov. jupiter.....will try not to do the same w/ upgrade module!

[joeventura]

Just remember, if you are in the U.S. and they ship tomorrow and they do their usual DHL (not UPS or FEDEX) then you won't see your hardware for 7 days from date of shipment.

They won't ship tomorrow so expect 8 or 9 days to have it in hand.

[helmax]

Good PSU and +/- cheap for jupiter? TX850 is good?

I would get atleast a HX1050- margin is allways good.

margin for wht?

ax860 is good ?

[Phoenix1969]

Is this a buy now or forever be unable to upgrade kind of deal?

Or can we upgrade our Saturns or Mercurys at some future date once all this rush rush rush hustle is over?

As part of why I only got a Saturn in the first place is I figured it would be maybe a few months before I'd get around to upgrading...

(Like maybe wait and see how things look once the november units have shipped...)

This hustle hustle hustle is kind of annoying.

-MarkM-

It's now or never..  November boards will not work in October machines.  

phoenix, i missed the boat on a nov. jupiter.....will try not to do the same w/ upgrade module!

I bet they will sell out quickly... good luck!

[Phoenix1969]

Good PSU and +/- cheap for jupiter? TX850 is good?

I would get atleast a HX1050- margin is allways good.

margin for wht?

ax860 is good ?

Look, we get about 1.1watt per GH/s, right?  the news mentioned to expect a "Performance Upgrade", which to me means more GH/s...and also means more power draw as far as I know. (plus "Tuning Suite")
So, with knowing some of the 850's were borderline, I think a 1200 is totally in order for November Jupiters, although a 1050 may be fine.....   or I may be totally wrong!  maybe the "performance Increase" is less watt/GH/s... I just don't know for sure, so I wanted to cover all the possibilities....  

[seanrarey]

You guys should start with 600m diff and then add an additional 2PH to that for the end of November.  From there take a guess at how much HashFast, Bitmine, BitFury, and CoinTerra are launching.

People are way too excited to spend $1000+ (including extra parts to buy) just for ~140GH.

Companies will continue to rip people off if you keep falling for it.  Amazing how people want to give away their BTC.  If you have $1000 to blow, buy more BTC on the next price correction.

^^^Exactly, people are paying with their mined KNC btc to buy more power at a higher hashrate, I'm still shaking my head at this.

Since when is playing the BTC market (or any market, for that matter) some guarantee of this amazing profit you folks keep bragging about?  For every winner who buys low and sells high, there's some poor sucker who bought high and sold low.  And this whole 'buy and hold' thing... who actually does that?  Really?!  Every Schmo thinks they're are smarter than the next guy and they know exactly when to buy & sell and to hold.  And in reality, they are usually WRONG 50% of the time.

This argument is so very OLD & TIRED.  Why no take your unsolicited advice and 'sure-fire' investment theories and go right over to the Speculation subforum?  Seriously, no one here wants to hear it anymore.  This is the 'Custom hardware' forum and no one cares what you think.

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[ffernandex]

anyone see advantage buy upgrade for saturn? or is waste money
the difficulty will increase and companies to stay with our money

My estimation is that you can make about 4.6 BTC extra with one upgrade, so almost 2 BTC profit, assuming your upgrade starts hashing at the beginning of next difficulty adjustment.

The fact that BTC is at a historic high price makes this deal very attractive—because the price of the upgrade in BTC is low—so it is a good deal if you plan to reinvest BTC you already mined.

You should compare this to the price AVALON is currently selling it's four module miner 5.5 BTC for 110 GH/s at 750 W (twice as expensive for less hashrate and around 4 times the power consumption)

[DPoS]

anyone see advantage buy upgrade for saturn? or is waste money
the difficulty will increase and companies to stay with our money

My estimation is that you can make about 4.6 BTC extra with one upgrade, so almost 2 BTC profit, assuming your upgrade starts hashing at the beginning of next difficulty adjustment.

The fact that BTC is at an historic high price makes this deal very attractive—because the price of the upgrade in BTC is low—so it is a good deal if you plan to reinvest BTC you already mined.

You should compare this to the price AVALON is currently selling it's four module miner 5.5 BTC for 110 GH/s at 750 W (twice as expensive for less hashrate and around 4 times the power consumption)

I think it is pretty clear that the ones that keep saying 'not worth it to buy miners!! any miners!!' are the ones not wanting anyone ELSE to buy miners because if they didn't care to buy why on earth would they hang out and try to save everyone money? Every hour they remind you not to buy miners.

Not even your Mother would try to help you save money that much

[ffernandex]

anyone see advantage buy upgrade for saturn? or is waste money
the difficulty will increase and companies to stay with our money

My estimation is that you can make about 4.6 BTC extra with one upgrade, so almost 2 BTC profit, assuming your upgrade starts hashing at the beginning of next difficulty adjustment.

The fact that BTC is at a historic high price makes this deal very attractive—because the price of the upgrade in BTC is low—so it is a good deal if you plan to reinvest BTC you already mined.

You should compare this to the price AVALON is currently selling it's four module miner 5.5 BTC for 110 GH/s at 750 W (twice as expensive for less hashrate and around 4 times the power consumption)

I think it is pretty clear that the ones that keep saying 'not worth it to buy miners!! any miners!!' are the ones not wanting anyone ELSE to buy miners because if they didn't care to buy why on earth would they hang out and try to save everyone money? Every hour they remind you not to buy miners.

Not even your Mother would try to help you save money that much

Well, there's some truth on what you say, but they have been right most of the time until now, as almost all preorders deals (including our own preorders with KNC) have fallen short of making profit in BTC. And I'm sure that those buying Cointerra's or other preorders to come will find that true as well. The difference with these upgrades is that they are ready (or almost ready) to ship, so the error margin when making the estimations is lower.

[Phoenix1969]

My Aussie Friend has a Jupiter still in his cart, and was wondering if he was able to pay the invoice within a few days, if the order is still available?... Even though the miner page says "sold out"... the cart looks to still be in order...  ?

[DPoS]

My Aussie Friend has a Jupiter still in his cart, and was wondering if he was able to pay the invoice within a few days, if the order is still available?... Even though the miner page says "sold out"... the cart looks to still be in order...  ?

I tried today.. had one too but the page just loops and never puts it into cart's next page

[Phoenix1969]

My Aussie Friend has a Jupiter still in his cart, and was wondering if he was able to pay the invoice within a few days, if the order is still available?... Even though the miner page says "sold out"... the cart looks to still be in order...  ?

I tried today.. had one too but the page just loops and never puts it into cart's next page

It has already been in the cart for a few days....and shows as "New" on "My Orders" page..but hasn't paid for it yet...  
You have same??

[DPoS]

My Aussie Friend has a Jupiter still in his cart, and was wondering if he was able to pay the invoice within a few days, if the order is still available?... Even though the miner page says "sold out"... the cart looks to still be in order...  ?

I tried today.. had one too but the page just loops and never puts it into cart's next page

It has already been in the cart for a few days....and shows as "New" on "My Orders" page..but hasn't paid for it yet...   you same??

Mine showed in top right as 1 item in cart.. i went to it and tried to pay but it just kept refreshing back to it in cart ..  maybe you get lucky?

I already cleared it out so cant try now

[Phoenix1969]

There is still no sign of a fix for the out of memory condition killing cgminer. I wouldn't be pleased to have a nice shiny new november order Jupiter dying periodically for such a simple well known reason, losing hours sitting there waiting for me to wake up and notice because they neglected to include a watchdog to keep the thing running and/or neglected to ensure their software fit into the amount of RAM they saw fit to build into the unit...

-MarkM-

I believe the issue there is/was while using Bertmod, the ram is otherwise sufficient.
It has 512MB of DDR3
You have something else going on?

I agree with Mark there is a memory leak somewhere, on some machines at least.

I've had the best luck with running cgminer 3.7.2 manually after killing the one that comes with the knc firmware, but even then after 3 days free memory has dropped 100MB, from 250MB down to 150MB free, I haven't had it drop so low that it stops mining like Mark has, but I've seen it drop down to the 12MB free mark before I rebooted.

**BIFFA*** I think you "Hit the nail on the head"
This could surely explain the tapering down of speed after a reboot to such nice levels...

Also, someone mentioned earlier about staying off the status page helping out a bit...so far...I must agree.
No Putty, no GUI, just monitoring from the pool seems to help

[Puppet]

You should compare this to the price AVALON is currently selling it's four module miner 5.5 BTC for 110 GH/s at 750 W (twice as expensive for less hashrate and around 4 times the power consumption)

No you shouldnt. I guess this is one of the great miner fallacies, comparing mining hardware to each other rather than judging it by itself on its profitability. Its not because miner A is an even worse deal than  miner B, that the latter is a good deal.

disclaimer: Ive not done the math, so Im not saying these modules are not a good deal, just that it being better than other worthless deals doesnt make it a good one.

[edgar]

extra modules are a shit deal if your early pre-order september delivery arrived at the end of october and has no 'extra' connectors attached..

and besides - despite more than one miner doing exactly that, the f/w isnt designed to accept 6 modules....apparently... IF youre lucky enough to have them.

i wonder if the 4 un-needed VRMs will become necessary again.

now i also wonder if there is any correlation between 6 module boards and 8 vrm modules....

probably not eh?

im tempted to buy a couple just in case i ever need an RMA and dont want/deserve to be left 'getting by'

[monsieur]

You should compare this to the price AVALON is currently selling it's four module miner 5.5 BTC for 110 GH/s at 750 W (twice as expensive for less hashrate and around 4 times the power consumption)

No you shouldnt. I guess this is one of the great miner fallacies, comparing mining hardware to each other rather than judging it by itself on its profitability. Its not because miner A is an even worse deal than  miner B, that the latter is a good deal.

disclaimer: Ive not done the math, so Im not saying these modules are not a good deal, just that it being better than other worthless deals doesnt make it a good one.

Yes, that what concerns me. Even though the price per gh is very good compared to others. But assuming all goes the way it did, I will not mine back my btcs. If they accepted credit cards/paypal I would jump in as a decent indirect way to buy bitcoin with credit card. Everyone is talking about "better to buy bitcoins", but there seems to be no easy way to do it with credit card without ridiculous surcharges. BTW, if someone wants to sell me BTC at mtgox price via paypal, pm me. So, I am leaning towards not getting these modules.