Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[vesperwillow]

BFL : shipping in two weeks.
KnC: near future

Wait, BFL ships stuff anymore?

Whatever happened to the Monarch? That was hilarious. People were like, oh man they'll ship on time this time.. And then they didn't, of course.

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[s1gs3gv]

Just looking forward to October then, hope kNC will give us some thing special this time. (Take out limitation on Nepy and Tity)  

I don't think KNC is in a cash flow position to do anything special for their customers.
They seem to be struggling. The latest series A won't last them long.
Expect to get the absolute minimum possible from KNC these days, at the very last moment.

Remember, people in KNC's part of the world sit in hot sweaty dark rooms and whip each other with willow and birch branches for fun.
And then they go roll around in the ice and snow naked, drink lots of high proof alcohol, rinse and repeat.

[vesperwillow]

Remember, people in KNC's part of the world sit in hot sweaty dark rooms and whip each other with willow and birch branches for fun.
And then they go roll around in the ice and snow naked, drink lots of high proof alcohol, rinse and repeat.

I've seen some of the girls over there doing the rolling-around stuff naked. I have to admit, it's worth seeing at least once.

[poodle63]

Remember, people in KNC's part of the world sit in hot sweaty dark rooms and whip each other with willow and birch branches for fun.
And then they go roll around in the ice and snow naked, drink lots of high proof alcohol, rinse and repeat.

I've seen some of the girls over there doing the rolling-around stuff naked. I have to admit, it's worth seeing at least once.

I'm dying to watch at least once of my life, actually Swedish girl very pretty, top 10 around the world, first plase is Denmark.

[jomay]

I based my figures off of Jupiters batches 1 and 2, where KNC's internal insurance invoiced their value at $1000USD when being shipped back to them, or within their company controls.
[...]
Consider how many tens of millions they took home in profit on their tax statement. Their profit margins weren't 30%, they were generously higher.

Yep, the 1000$ marginal cost sounds about right. Not sure how much the ASIC NRE's are, though. If they got 25m$ for the Titan Batch1 they may have spent 10-20m$ on R&D?
Batch2 was pure profit, though.

I don't think KNC is in a cash flow position to do anything special for their customers.
They seem to be struggling. The latest series A won't last them long.
Expect to get the absolute minimum possible from KNC these days, at the very last moment.

Well, that doesn't add up when considering the calculation above. Unless...
Did you ever wonder why it says "KnC Sweden 20nm AB"? I'd guess because there are "KnC 28nm AB", "KnC Cloud", "KnC Private Mining", "KnC Holding" etc. The founders kept the 10's of m$ in their holding (or private accounts!) and make sure that any failure in the future doesn't cost them a penny.

The KnC 20nm is probably struggling to meet payments because of the Neptune debacle (first tape out botched etc) and was close to go bankrupt. As the latter is really not pretty both from bad publicity as well as the "annoying" legal investigations KnC tried to avoid the bankruptcy with dubious measures. Such as offering 5%-10% more refund money if the refund is delayed. And start taking Titan pre-orders - which has saved them.

Disclaimer: I don't know any details and all of the above is pure speculation.

[poodle63]

Any one feel their love today?

[Zelek Uther]

I'm not feeling the love... no bonus miner here.

[samsonn25]

I based my figures off of Jupiters batches 1 and 2, where KNC's internal insurance invoiced their value at $1000USD when being shipped back to them, or within their company controls.
[...]
Consider how many tens of millions they took home in profit on their tax statement. Their profit margins weren't 30%, they were generously higher.

Yep, the 1000$ marginal cost sounds about right. Not sure how much the ASIC NRE's are, though. If they got 25m$ for the Titan Batch1 they may have spent 10-20m$ on R&D?
Batch2 was pure profit, though.

I don't think KNC is in a cash flow position to do anything special for their customers.
They seem to be struggling. The latest series A won't last them long.
Expect to get the absolute minimum possible from KNC these days, at the very last moment.

Well, that doesn't add up when considering the calculation above. Unless...
Did you ever wonder why it says "KnC Sweden 20nm AB"? I'd guess because there are "KnC 28nm AB", "KnC Cloud", "KnC Private Mining", "KnC Holding" etc. The founders kept the 10's of m$ in their holding (or private accounts!) and make sure that any failure in the future doesn't cost them a penny.

The KnC 20nm is probably struggling to meet payments because of the Neptune debacle (first tape out botched etc) and was close to go bankrupt. As the latter is really not pretty both from bad publicity as well as the "annoying" legal investigations KnC tried to avoid the bankruptcy with dubious measures. Such as offering 5%-10% more refund money if the refund is delayed. And start taking Titan pre-orders - which has saved them.

Disclaimer: I don't know any details and all of the above is pure speculation.

Smart move on KNC part with Titan no refund.  Bitmain coming December too, with Scryot machines 1/3 the price. $5/MH

[s1gs3gv]

Well, that doesn't add up when considering the calculation above.

On the contrary, it would explain virtually all of KNC's parsimonious and mean behavior. Why would they go out for a Series A and reduce their equity if they were flush ?

[crashoveride54902]

Any one feel their love today?

you should feel the love knc is giving you everyday...in the backside w/o lube

BFL : shipping in two weeks.
KnC: near future

Wait, BFL ships stuff anymore?

Whatever happened to the Monarch? That was hilarious. People were like, oh man they'll ship on time this time.. And then they didn't, of course.

monarchs are shipping now...someone had a whole rack of them in their warehouse/dc on picture your miners thread

[samsonn25]

copy the pic

[poodle63]

Stuck wrong hole and shoot on own foot~

[vesperwillow]

Yeah I'd love to see the pictures myself, considering their website says they aren't shipping and you can only find a couple secondhand units on ebay/elsewhere.

[BitcoinPappi]

Are KNC Titans shipping now ?

[lemonte]

Are KNC Titans shipping now ?

Apparently so according to a few people on the Kncminer forums.

[poodle63]

Knc fx king smart at business but crooked, they should be straight.

[Micky25]

Are KNC Titans shipping now ?

Apparently so according to a few people on the Kncminer forums.

Where do you read this? They should, but don't.

[de_ixie]

Are KNC Titans shipping now ?

Apparently so according to a few people on the Kncminer forums.

Where do you read this? They should, but don't.

I also doubt it - got order 193xx (Bitpay) - nothing here - still paid or like they prefer to say "Payed".  

[vesperwillow]

This happened with Neptune didn't it? Before KNC announced it officially, there were people getting shipments in small trickles.

[de_ixie]

Order just changed to "In Progress" - Order 193XX

Edit: Will let you know when this "Way to late & expensive 9000 EUR KnC Crap Pile" is at my doorstep