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April 08, 2013, 01:43:11 PM
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I'v been pool hopping for a few weeks now. Looking for the best payouts. And this is going to be a dumb question but where it says "Suggested difficulty" What should I put there?

ok so i put 7,673,000 in the suggested difficulty field?

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April 08, 2013, 02:55:58 PM
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When you edit a worker there is a drop down for your expected hash rate, it'll fill that in for you.

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April 08, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
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Hey slush..

Would you look at my shares on block 230199 - they are not correct.  Way under count.

Thanks!
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April 08, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
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I'v been pool hopping for a few weeks now. Looking for the best payouts. And this is going to be a dumb question but where it says "Suggested difficulty" What should I put there?

ok so i put 7,673,000 in the suggested difficulty field?


Yeah, sounds good.

jk, actually, you should set difficulty according to your connection, then hash rate. 1,2,3,...8....20... ect. Not 7 million.


Of course, if you're pool hopping.... then maybe 10 million would be a good difficulty.
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April 08, 2013, 04:17:16 PM
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Anyone else having problems connecting to the pool?

I'm using the mining proxy and diablo miner.

seeing this in the console
2013-04-08 11:16:03,666 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 1 peers connected, state changed 1 times
2013-04-08 11:16:50,778 ERROR proxy client_service.on_timeout # Connection to upstream pool timed out
2013-04-08 11:16:50,779 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_disconnect # Disconnected from Stratum pool at stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
2013-04-08 11:16:50,779 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 0 peers connected, state changed 1 times
2013-04-08 11:16:53,591 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 1 peers connected, state changed 1 times


never mind seems to have resolved itself.

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April 08, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
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Of course, if you're pool hopping.... then maybe 10 million would be a good difficulty.

Quantus, I strongly suggest that you follow the recommendation from Crystallas.  Smiley

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April 08, 2013, 07:44:43 PM
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Gramted, I'm new to this. But according to Slush's site, the payout formula is (25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round).

Can someone please check the math on this block to see if it holds true to the formula?

Total Shares: 18833717   
My Shares: 1442   
My Reward: 0.00036229
Block# 230220   
Block Value: 25.58996000

By my math the reward should be closer to 0.0019

Thanks!
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April 08, 2013, 07:47:25 PM
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Two lines under that is this: This in fact is a simplified version here is the more complicated version

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002


In a nutshell, the shares are weighted, to prevent pool hopping.
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April 08, 2013, 08:10:37 PM
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tiktoc, thanks for the info.  Based on that page things should balance in the long run.  However it still seems like it is well outside of tolerance based on the graphs on the link you provided.  Either way, I will keep at it.

On a side note, how come Namecoin rewards are no longer being awarded on a regular basis.  I am lucky if I get namecoins 1 out of every 10 blocks
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April 08, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
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I'v been pool hopping for a few weeks now. Looking for the best payouts. And this is going to be a dumb question but where it says "Suggested difficulty" What should I put there?

ok so i put 7,673,000 in the suggested difficulty field?


Yeah, sounds good.

jk, actually, you should set difficulty according to your connection, then hash rate. 1,2,3,...8....20... ect. Not 7 million.


Of course, if you're pool hopping.... then maybe 10 million would be a good difficulty.

"according to your connection" I have 4 GPU's on a wifi connection. What should I set it to? 4? (I am not A pool hopper) Just mean I been looking for a good pool.

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April 08, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
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The problem for me is: There was a block which took a long time to resolve, and my mining rig just self-restarted during the process due to my ISP problem, and the reward for that block became 1/7 of normal reward, this has never happened with other pools  Huh

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April 08, 2013, 09:59:16 PM
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I still don't understand the "Suggested difficulty" field.   Dose it have some thing to do with long polling? If my connection is bad do I set it higher or lower?

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April 08, 2013, 10:00:05 PM
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The problem for me is: There was a block which took a long time to resolve, and my mining rig just self-restarted during the process due to my ISP problem, and the reward for that block became 1/7 of normal reward, this has never happened with other pools  Huh

Have had a low reward on a long block from the same issue, 5 minutes downtime = half (or less) the reward I should've got.. always seems to be the case on a 3+ hour round as well :E.

The payment system treats you the same whether you were trying to pool hop or you just happened to disconnect at a bad time. In the long term it averages out because everytime it happens to someone who isn't you, you technically benefit from their lower reward in that instance.

I still don't understand the "Suggested difficulty" field.   Dose it have some thing to do with long polling? If my connection is bad do I set it higher or lower?

It means that you aim for a share with more worth. E.g. a share at difficulty 1 is worth 1 share, 2 is worth 2 shares.. and so on. The difficulty refers to the target set for your hashes. At difficulty 2 there are half as many possible hashes which would contribute a share when compared to difficulty 1.

The reason it's useful is that with a very high hashrate (>2GH/s) you'll find so many difficulty 1 shares that it'll use up a lot of communication and it floods the server with requests.. so if you look for more difficult shares, you still (theoretically) get the same rewards, but the communication with the pool server is lower.

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April 08, 2013, 10:06:07 PM
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So if I needed some planned downtime and I didn't want to mess up my shares, how would I best choose when to shut down the miner?

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April 08, 2013, 10:11:10 PM
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Hold the fuck up a minute! If my miners go down for 5 minutes I lose 50% of the work they have done for that block?

I got these things on Wifi Every time a big truck drives by they go out for 20 to 30 sec. What measurement of time triggers the "oh shit he's a pool hopper fuck him over" device?

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April 08, 2013, 10:15:36 PM
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So if I needed some planned downtime and I didn't want to mess up my shares, how would I best choose when to shut down the miner?

Right at the start of a round, i.e. when a block has just been found.

Hold the fuck up a minute! If my miners go down for 5 minutes I lose 50% of the work they have done for that block?

I got these things on Wifi Every time a big truck drives by they go out for 20 to 30 sec. What measurement of time triggers the "oh shit he's a pool hopper fuck him over" device?

On a longer round, yes - the score is based on an exponential function with the round time as the exponent. It's scaled by a factor "1/C", but on longer rounds this will dominate - check your score under my account. More info found in the link given above ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002 for your convenience). The longer the round, the more important staying connected (and submitting a share close to the point a block is found) becomes.

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April 08, 2013, 11:04:29 PM
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So if I needed some planned downtime and I didn't want to mess up my shares, how would I best choose when to shut down the miner?

Right at the start of a round, i.e. when a block has just been found.



Ah, Thought It Would Be something like that. I was more wondering how to tell but I guess it is on the website somewhere

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April 08, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
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I find this system very convoluted. Clever but convoluted. Do other pools use systems like this?
The network has gained 50 PetaFLOPS in the last few weeks so I'm having a hard time telling what pool works best for me.

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April 08, 2013, 11:11:20 PM
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I find this system very convoluted. Clever but convoluted. Do other pools use systems like this?
The network has gained 50 PetaFLOPS in the last few weeks so I'm having a hard time telling what pool works best for me.

The network does intops not flops.

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April 08, 2013, 11:27:17 PM
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Ah, Thought It Would Be something like that. I was more wondering how to tell but I guess it is on the website somewhere

Two easy options come to mind:

1. keep an eye on blockchain.info and take your miners down when you see Slush get a block.. it updates automatically and there should be a fairly short lag.

2. Keep refreshing the stastistics page until you see "Current round duration" reset.

Since 1 is less likely to cause issues for the pool.. I'd go with that Wink

I find this system very convoluted. Clever but convoluted. Do other pools use systems like this?
The network has gained 50 PetaFLOPS in the last few weeks so I'm having a hard time telling what pool works best for me.

Since most pools use systems which discourage hopping your best bet is to leave your miners on a single pool (or point each of your individual gpus/whatever at a selection of pools) and leave them alone. If you're that bothered by the variance you should pick a PPS (pays the same per share everytime) pool.. although in most cases you'll pay a higher fee to the pool for the privilege.

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