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Author Topic: [40+ PH] SlushPool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool  (Read 3934162 times)
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July 02, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
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May I ask what DGM is?
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July 02, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
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Any news on DGM? I just noticed again today that my payouts sometimes vary between 0.14 BTC (34 min) and 0.01 BTC per round (4 min) with the same hashrate.

This is quite extreme.

Just goes to show some people are NEVER satisfied / content with what they have been given for FREE ...

Good job slush. +1
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July 02, 2012, 11:20:14 PM
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Any news on DGM? I just noticed again today that my payouts sometimes vary between 0.14 BTC (34 min) and 0.01 BTC per round (4 min) with the same hashrate.

This is quite extreme.

Just goes to show some people are NEVER satisfied / content with what they have been given for FREE ...

Good job slush. +1
Ahem. 2% or so, not free.

May I ask what DGM is?
DGM stands for Double Geometric Mean, and it is a payout scoring method. Other pools that use it already include Ozcoin.net and Eclipsemc.com. It is considered a "fair" payout method in that it cannot be cheated like other methods can be.

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July 02, 2012, 11:22:19 PM
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DGM stands for Double Geometric Mean, and it is a payout scoring method. Other pools that use it already include Ozcoin.net and Eclipsemc.com. It is considered a "fair" payout method in that it cannot be cheated like other methods can be.

Oh, thank you.
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July 02, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
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A link for you: Double geometric method: Hopping-proof, low-variance reward system.

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July 02, 2012, 11:34:53 PM
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Thank you as well. I fought to read through the first part, very hard for me to pay attention and then I seen the mathematical that I would never understand.

I'll take your guy's word that it is something good for the pool and miners to basically stop pool hoppers Smiley.
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July 03, 2012, 12:23:12 AM
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Just because I'm asking if there is any progress doesn't mean I'm not content. I'm mining here for more than a year already, except for a few weeks at BTC Guild maybe (don't like how they handle NMC payouts).

It's just that I've never seen such a high range between my smallest and biggest payouts in all that time is all...

(Except if my cards have been running as half-borked 5870s during that 4 min round that is  Grin )

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July 03, 2012, 12:35:58 AM
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Just because I'm asking if there is any progress doesn't mean I'm not content. I'm mining here for more than a year already, except for a few weeks at BTC Guild maybe (don't like how they handle NMC payouts).

It's just that I've never seen such a high range between my smallest and biggest payouts in all that time is all...

(Except if my cards have been running as half-borked 5870s during that 4 min round that is  Grin )

If we are talking about the same thing, I made a post about it recently.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg989652#msg989652
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July 03, 2012, 11:04:19 PM
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How can I merge mining for other coins in your pool?

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July 07, 2012, 10:10:17 PM
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Hello all, I had a holiday in recent days so I was only on mobile Internet connection for pool maintenance. That's the reason why I didn't respond for forum posts here (data roaming is awfuly overpriced!).

About pool downtime - OVH had global downtime for around 30 minutes few days back. There was nothing to do on my side, but pool recovered by self when they renew network connection.

About lowering block rewards - there was some additional hashrate in previous days, probably because technical difficulties on another pools. That was surely the reason why your block rewards went down, but (statistically) the block rate was faster than before.

About DGM - it's damned project and I won't comment it more otherwise I'll go crazy again. I really needed that vacation and hopefully I'll be more succesfull now...

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July 07, 2012, 10:11:46 PM
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How can I merge mining for other coins in your pool?

It's not possible use merged mining on top of share based pools (afaik all current pools are share based). If you want to merge mine some exotic currency, everything you really can do is to setup solo mining on your own.

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July 08, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
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It will definitely become a much more exclusive club to mine at Slush's pool. Asic owners only. The difficulty is skyrocketing, and only a few months until the reward drop. I've moved some of my hashing power over to mine Litecoins. Multiple times more efficient for GPU miners for the moment.

Edit: Not grumpy at all, just telling you the show is over for now. Moving along.

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July 08, 2012, 09:40:44 AM
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It will definitely become a much more exclusive club to mine at Slush's pool. Asic owners only. The difficulty is skyrocketing, and only a few months until the reward drop. I've moved some of my hashing power over to mine Litecoins. Multiple times more efficient for GPU miners for the moment.
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no point getting grumpy at poolops, we didnt ask for asic but are expected to upgrade to cope with them....
it is not currently possible to merge mine sha256 (bitcoin/namecoin) and scrypt (litecoin).
 

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July 09, 2012, 03:26:45 AM
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Thanks for your reply.

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July 10, 2012, 11:21:29 AM
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I finally got around to making miner variance insurance available to Slush's pool. It will be listed on GLBSE soon, but in the meantime more details are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92531.0

It essentially pays you PPS for a fee that will be about 2%, via a "bond" on GLBSE, so no more worries about long rounds.

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July 14, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
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Finally, Pay-Per-Share is available for Slush's pool. Slush's score system means more variance than at most, but you can get a PPS reward for a 2% fee without leaving the pool and risking an operator that you might not like.

Details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92531.msg1020745#msg1020745

GLBSE link: https://glbse.com/asset/view/MEI.SLUSH.B

100 bonds will insure approximately 1.335 Mhps in a 1:1 ratio (this will vary slightly depending on the Difficulty change).


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July 19, 2012, 02:51:44 PM
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Thanks to report of user runner, I found that pool mined one block and for some reason it has not been stored into pool database. The possible reason is that it happen during database upgrade, but unfortunately the logs are rotated already, so I don't have any more info about it.

Because there's not any round related to this block, I decided to double block reward in the latest pool round #13087. I believe that it's the best solution of such problem, because nobody has been noticed in advance that reward for this block will be higher.

This message is also an explanation why you see much higher block reward than normally.

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July 20, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
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Three invalids in one day? Is this another problem with the database as has happened in the past?
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July 21, 2012, 03:37:03 AM
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Slush, the pool page is nice for checking if all miners we have are working without logging to their hosts. But it would be much better to have also the current hash rate displayed [calculated based on the current round not the last 10 rounds, which can take a day], especially if the mining farm is unstable. I know that this estimation will be very poor at the beginning of the round so maybe at least the last round only could be used for this. I can calculate it myself by taking my shares/score and the pools shares/score form the other page and divide and multiply but this is time consuming :-) can we have this displayed on the MyAccount page in the Workers section maybe in parentheses after the 10-round based estimation ? I would greatly appreciate this :-)

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July 22, 2012, 12:59:01 AM
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Slush, the pool page is nice for checking if all miners we have are working without logging to their hosts. But it would be much better to have also the current hash rate displayed [calculated based on the current round not the last 10 rounds, which can take a day], especially if the mining farm is unstable. I know that this estimation will be very poor at the beginning of the round so maybe at least the last round only could be used for this. I can calculate it myself by taking my shares/score and the pools shares/score form the other page and divide and multiply but this is time consuming :-) can we have this displayed on the MyAccount page in the Workers section maybe in parentheses after the 10-round based estimation ? I would greatly appreciate this :-)

The hashrate updates have been asked over a year go already. Except for the nice translations, I'm sorry to say but this pool is pretty much dead. I wouldn't say it if I didn't cared about it. The pool is still hoppable, and very much hopped every day, DGM is probably never going to appear because one programmer may just be not enough for such a project, the pool has been underperforming for the longest time (you see next to never that 30day average is 99%+ or more), and namecoins (not Slush's fault) are about dead because its purpose is undermined: 3-5 people have "squatted" all the domains, and namecoin price is just plummeting, even though we mine them less and less due to rising diff.

Slush, if you still want to be in the game when Asics hit, you should get your act together and update some more things than just a fanboy page (Facebook). I'm still mining here with three cards, but when my internet connection fails, as it does sometimes, it will be much better for me to be on a PPS pool like BTCGuild for the occasional mining. The rest of my cards have moved over to LTC mining. Much higher profit.

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