InfiniteGrim
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December 22, 2013, 10:29:47 PM |
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Why is it that I make 10-20% more on SHORTER rounds?
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Trongersoll
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December 22, 2013, 10:46:30 PM |
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Why is it that I make 10-20% more on SHORTER rounds?
because somebody else makes less.
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InfiniteGrim
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December 22, 2013, 10:58:48 PM |
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Why is it that I make 10-20% more on SHORTER rounds?
because somebody else makes less. But the hash rate or the pool is the same? Are the rewards not assigned based on hashing power?
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organofcorti
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December 23, 2013, 10:42:40 AM |
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Why is it that I make 10-20% more on SHORTER rounds?
because somebody else makes less. But the hash rate or the pool is the same? Are the rewards not assigned based on hashing power? Shorter rounds increase variance since you'll get fewer shares in and each share is worth more. Have you noticed this increase over only a few short rounds (say, less than ten) or over many short rounds (lets say more than 20)? Also, how are you defining short? 0.01 x network difficulty, or 0.1 x network difficulty, or something else?
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J_Dubbs
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December 23, 2013, 01:18:17 PM |
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Our luck is horrible lately. Will we hit a point where this horrible luck becomes the new "normal"? I would think whatever it benchmarks against will adjust because we've been seeing longer rounds for a few days now.
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December 23, 2013, 04:21:34 PM |
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Our luck is horrible lately. Will we hit a point where this horrible luck becomes the new "normal"? I would think whatever it benchmarks against will adjust because we've been seeing longer rounds for a few days now.
Well, the 30 day average is still at 97%, so it isn't off by that much in the longer term. Don't worry... it will come back. It always does.
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December 24, 2013, 06:03:12 AM |
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this is absolutely horrible, is slush pool bugged? wtf....
current round 04:20 and counting... 21252 2013-12-24 01:35:34 2:29:07 1061380055 731744 0.01718930 276636 25.18080606 67 confirmations left 21251 2013-12-23 23:06:27 4:00:46 1706268412 1203652 0.01745420 276619 25.14980333 50 confirmations left 21250 2013-12-23 19:05:41 1:17:07 543900723 377598 0.01739071 276590 25.05315848 21 confirmations left 21249 2013-12-23 17:48:34 1:40:06 699175863 499812 0.01841003 276578 25.06629598 9 confirmations left 21248 2013-12-23 16:08:28 2:14:35 940745044 685218 0.01841584 276563 25.25027750 confirmed 21247 2013-12-23 13:53:53 2:08:13 890597460 648772 0.01726300 276557 25.08896758 confirmed 21246 2013-12-23 11:45:40 9:59:11 4171408261 2952397 0.01867614 276541 25.15083951 confirmed 21245 2013-12-23 01:46:29 7:42:39 3225287535 2304981 0.01832914 276464 25.00886149 confirmed 21244 2013-12-22 18:03:50 0:41:10 285150993 206763 0.01858770 276423 25.08059816 confirmed 21243 2013-12-22 17:22:40 4:28:39 1863121673 1336677 0.01736992 276415 25.09467844 confirmed 21242 2013-12-22 12:54:01 1:14:48 513520104 367428 0.01895368 276380 25.09484265 confirmed 21241 2013-12-22 11:39:13 0:45:18 312813691 217560 0.01679788 276364 25.08526456 confirmed 21240 2013-12-22 10:53:55 3:02:35 1263976228 902838 0.01798305 276361 25.03091715 confirmed 21239 2013-12-22 07:51:20 1:28:02 609858006 454708 0.01790538 276335 25.01759350 confirmed 21238 2013-12-22 06:23:18 2:29:43 1033782517 751354 0.01767631 276326 25.00514000 confirmed 21237 2013-12-22 03:53:35 2:05:26 873434861 626260 0.01724208 276309 25.07516360 confirmed 21236 2013-12-22 01:48:09 1:04:02 445846104 306594 0.01751612 276297 25.08008069 confirmed 21235 2013-12-22 00:44:07 0:31:04 215263719 164750 0.01792624 276290 25.07021854 confirmed 21234 2013-12-22 00:13:03 11:36:07 4869485213 3080170 0.01960207 276286 25.20665744 confirmed 21233 2013-12-21 12:36:56 4:49:31 2040992243 1417741 0.01740883 276206 25.04204200 confirmed 21232 2013-12-21 07:47:25 1:10:32 499330676 354913 0.01639210 276185 25.07522347 confirmed 21231 2013-12-21 06:36:53 4:16:34 1810725132 921501 0.01671394 276177 25.03722000 confirmed 21230 2013-12-21 02:20:19 1:43:31 728080133 400794 0.01645976 276139 25.04945416 confirmed 21229 2013-12-21 00:36:48 9:39:26 4091124633 2175028 0.01394349 276127 25.12559563 confirmed 21228 2013-12-20 14:57:22 4:35:30 1928606238 1045998 0.01380000 276067 25.17414052 confirmed
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InfiniteGrim
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December 24, 2013, 06:17:43 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
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organofcorti
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December 24, 2013, 06:24:30 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty.
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InfiniteGrim
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December 24, 2013, 06:36:38 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. in the current situation I've gone from nearly .035 a day to .01 a day! LOL
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J_Dubbs
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December 24, 2013, 06:42:37 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. Definitely makes sense to expect more rounds per unit of time with more power behind the pool, however, that is clearly not how things are playing out in the real-world.
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December 24, 2013, 06:49:20 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. in the current situation I've gone from nearly .035 a day to .01 a day! LOL I agree that it's been frustrating to see the round times take so long lately, but I'm not sure how that may be a fault of a pool - other than the overall hashrate...which we'd all have to pay for out of our rewards (as we've seen) if it's as high as some of the other pools. I've been watching who has been finding blocks and it's consistently three other pools that keep popping up over the past few hours (Eligius found three in 8 minutes about 40 minutes ago!! But twice the hash rate as Slush). I've found though that it kind of ebbs and flows and we get into a lucky streak from time to time as well. I have occasionally wondered what the difference would be between mining here and mining at another pool. I suspect it might average out, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I also suspect that if someone else had tried to figure that out themselves, but is reading this now, then they probably didn't see an advantage with sticking with another pool. Anyone have any intel/data/info on that?
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J_Dubbs
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December 24, 2013, 06:53:50 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. in the current situation I've gone from nearly .035 a day to .01 a day! LOL I agree that it's been frustrating to see the round times take so long lately, but I'm not sure how that may be a fault of a pool - other than the overall hashrate...which we'd all have to pay for out of our rewards (as we've seen) if it's as high as some of the other pools. I've been watching who has been finding blocks and it's consistently three other pools that keep popping up over the past few hours (Eligius found three in 8 minutes about 40 minutes ago!! But twice the hash rate as Slush). I've found though that it kind of ebbs and flows and we get into a lucky streak from time to time as well. I have occasionally wondered what the difference would be between mining here and mining at another pool. I suspect it might average out, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I also suspect that if someone else had tried to figure that out themselves, but is reading this now, then they probably didn't see an advantage with sticking with another pool. Anyone have any intel/data/info on that? I think it's exactly what it seems to be: exceptionally bad short-term luck. After sitting through this many bad days I do expect things to turn around, and for that reason I'm not considering other pools as an option. It eventually has to normalize, but this is certainly one hell of a crappy run.
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December 24, 2013, 06:57:48 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. in the current situation I've gone from nearly .035 a day to .01 a day! LOL @InfiniteGrim - In what timeframe? Mine have dropped slightly over the past two weeks, but nothing like that! @J_Dubbs, I agree.
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December 24, 2013, 07:18:53 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. in the current situation I've gone from nearly .035 a day to .01 a day! LOL You'll need to average that out over more than one day. More like a couple of weeks, minimum (which means you'll have to account for difficulty changes too) At such a low hashrate you'll find variance is quite large, and the scoring method Slush's pool uses further increases variance.
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organofcorti
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December 24, 2013, 07:20:56 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. Definitely makes sense to expect more rounds per unit of time with more power behind the pool, however, that is clearly not how things are playing out in the real-world. I use "expected" in the mathematical sense, to mean "average". If it's not working out like that, then either you're not allowing enough time for variance to reduce, or you're not taking into account network difficulty changes, or there's a problem at Slush's pool. It's shouldn't be too hard to figure out which if you have enough time and enough data.
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J_Dubbs
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December 24, 2013, 08:39:37 AM |
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This is BAD. Plus my share per round has gone from .0028 to .0020 with the pool growing. BOO
Your share of the reward per round has dropped with an increase in the pool hashrate, but you can expect more rounds per unit time. Your expected reward per day is unaffected by pool size, only by your hashrate and the network difficulty. Definitely makes sense to expect more rounds per unit of time with more power behind the pool, however, that is clearly not how things are playing out in the real-world. I use "expected" in the mathematical sense, to mean "average". If it's not working out like that, then either you're not allowing enough time for variance to reduce, or you're not taking into account network difficulty changes, or there's a problem at Slush's pool. It's shouldn't be too hard to figure out which if you have enough time and enough data. Ya... I'm not dumb, I understand your usage of the terms, but academics and statistical modeling take a backseat occasionally during a discussion like this. Problem is no one is plotting the data, much less collecting it to quantify later for analysis; but I bet if you throw avg daily round times on a Pareto chart that this week and last show a major breakpoint in round length compared to a month ago. I feel like the reported "luck" is way off from what it actually is. We would get one 12 hour round per week before, now we almost get one per day.
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December 24, 2013, 08:46:55 AM |
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According to the expected return on my mining hardware rate (a whopping 32GH/s - woot) I'm actually pretty much on par with what I'm supposed to be mining right now, but it's really deflating when I see other pools finding blocks every 20-30...5 minutes when we've been mining for over 7 hours now. Maybe I should go read a book, or 10, and check back later and let it all average out. The more I watch the more anxious I get.... My wife said I'd be obsessed with this, she was right. I think that's the problem, I'm paying too much attention right now ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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December 24, 2013, 08:48:58 AM |
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According to the expected return on my mining hardware rate (a whopping 32GH/s - woot) I'm actually pretty much on par with what I'm supposed to be mining right now, but it's really deflating when I see other pools finding blocks every 20-30...5 minutes when we've been mining for over 7 hours now. Maybe I should go read a book, or 10, and check back later and let it all average out. The more I watch the more anxious I get.... My wife said I'd be obsessed with this, she was right. I think that's the problem, I'm paying too much attention right now ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Fast rounds only happen when I'm sleeping lol... We're in this together, also obsessively watching here, waiting, ugh...
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December 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM |
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According to the expected return on my mining hardware rate (a whopping 32GH/s - woot) I'm actually pretty much on par with what I'm supposed to be mining right now, but it's really deflating when I see other pools finding blocks every 20-30...5 minutes when we've been mining for over 7 hours now. Maybe I should go read a book, or 10, and check back later and let it all average out. The more I watch the more anxious I get.... My wife said I'd be obsessed with this, she was right. I think that's the problem, I'm paying too much attention right now ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Fast rounds only happen when I'm sleeping lol... We're in this together, also obsessively watching here, waiting, ugh... In all truth, I have noticed the same thing. I wake up in the morning (er...afternoon) and we've hit four to six blocks. I guess it's the, "a watched pot doesn't boil" situation. Still don't quite understand that one from a physics standpoint, but it does kinda make sense in this case ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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