DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com

[Dr.Mann]

That isn't actually how business works.

Isn't it great to have the option of buying what you want?

Yes. And isn't great how efficiently information can be shared about highly questionable business practices?

I'd rather Halong spend time into their business, hardware, and delivering than to debating every topic on the forums.

No one is asking Halong to debate anything. We have simply asked Halong to share the most basic kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly share about themselves. That would take them 5 minutes to post. (No exaggeration.) We really just need Halong to post: (1) its incorporation number, and (2) its FCC certificate number. Do you honestly find that an overly burdensome request? That could be a one sentence post.

This is a multi-billion dollar industry, and any disruption that happens such as what Halong is doing and continues to do is certain to rile feathers in this business sector. This is a good thing.

How is the lack of accountability by a business a "good thing"? Hypothetically, if a serious, dangerous design defect in the DragonMint exists, or if an innocent 3rd party can conclusively prove that Halong engaged in theft of its intellectual property, how exactly is that lack of accountability a good thing? We have no idea who Halong Mining is, no idea where they are, and no idea how to hail them into court should a valid case arise at some future point. That is not a good thing.

I for one am grateful that a company accessible and responsive through multiple avenues, it's something that is commendable. Have we ever seen a manufacturer that has delivered miners accept more than half a dozen crypto payment methods directly?

Did you read about how Halong has censored its Telegram Group and banned users from it? That's not accessibility. That's shameful and shady.... If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly before his illegitimate business was exposed, would you have found his company "commendable" too?

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[dimaze]

Yes. And isn't great how efficiently information can be shared about highly questionable business practices?

No one is asking Halong to debate anything. We have simply asked Halong to share the most basic kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly share about themselves. That would take them 5 minutes to post. (No exaggeration.) We really just need Halong to post: (1) its incorporation number, and (2) its FCC certificate number. Do you honestly find that an overly burdensome request? That could be a one sentence post

How is the lack of accountability by a business a "good thing"? Hypothetically, if a serious, dangerous design defect in the DragonMint exists, or if an innocent 3rd party can conclusively prove that Halong engaged in theft of its intellectual property, how exactly is that lack of accountability a good thing? We have no idea who Halong Mining is, no idea where they are, and no idea how to hail them into court should a valid case arise at some future point. That is not a good thing.

I've been buying ASICs since late 2012 and I find nothing unusual about Halong's approach, especially with the information that was revealed about overt ASICBoost. In my opinion, this moves towards equality, and unity in the sector. There are powerful actors in the field that will want to mitigate that progress as much as possible for selfish reasons, and for that very reason, I understand how discrete a company in the forefront will want to be. As for safety, the worst experience I've personally had with thousands of miners were KNC connectors, which at times had 300w through a single PCI, causing the worst failure rate of any units I've ever had.

If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly, would you have found his business "commendable" too?

If Bernie made ASIC hardware and actually delivered it as Halong continues to do, yes. I find it fairly divisive that Bitmain, for instance, accepts crypto payments in only BCH currently. I would find it commendable that any hardware manufacturer opens up payments to other cryptos, especially ones that they specifically sell miners for.

As long as the units are being delivered as advertised, I see nothing wrong with Halong. So far, all the T1's have been within specifications. I expect the other offerings to follow suit, and will report back on my Blake miners when I receive them.

As for anything, caveat emptor. If you are not confident in purchasing any gear, no one is forcing you to do so. Continue sleuthing if you feel there are legitimate concerns, everyone has a different set of qualifications they look for in that. Wait it out and check out some of the reviews and confirmations of delivery, and if you're feeling it, have at it. Having done my research and meeting Scott Offord in person, I've felt comfortable with my purchases, and I look forward to the future offerings that are in store. As always, I'm happy to share my experiences with this company with this community.

[ReadyPlayer1]

That isn't actually how business works.

Isn't it great to have the option of buying what you want?

Yes. And isn't great how efficiently information can be shared about highly questionable business practices?

I'd rather Halong spend time into their business, hardware, and delivering than to debating every topic on the forums.

No one is asking Halong to debate anything. We have simply asked Halong to share the most basic kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly share about themselves. That would take them 5 minutes to post. (No exaggeration.) We really just need Halong to post: (1) its incorporation number, and (2) its FCC certificate number. Do you honestly find that an overly burdensome request? That could be a one sentence post.

This is a multi-billion dollar industry, and any disruption that happens such as what Halong is doing and continues to do is certain to rile feathers in this business sector. This is a good thing.

How is the lack of accountability by a business a "good thing"? Hypothetically, if a serious, dangerous design defect in the DragonMint exists, or if an innocent 3rd party can conclusively prove that Halong engaged in theft of its intellectual property, how exactly is that lack of accountability a good thing? We have no idea who Halong Mining is, no idea where they are, and no idea how to hail them into court should a valid case arise at some future point. That is not a good thing.

I for one am grateful that a company accessible and responsive through multiple avenues, it's something that is commendable. Have we ever seen a manufacturer that has delivered miners accept more than half a dozen crypto payment methods directly?

Did you read about how Halong has censored its Telegram Group and banned users from it? That's not accessibility. That's shameful and shady.... If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly before his illegitimate business was exposed, would you have found his company "commendable" too?

We do know Yoshi Goto is head of Halong Mining.

He would be the one we go after if something were to happen.

[RoadStress]

So the attacks have started...don't get fooled by useless propaganda. This topic is for the hardware part not for discussion politics. Shush away Bitmain's shills!

[Dr.Mann]

I've been buying ASICs since late 2012 and I find nothing unusual about Halong's approach, especially with the information that was revealed about overt ASICBoost. In my opinion, this moves towards equality, and unity in the sector. There are powerful actors in the field that will want to mitigate that progress as much as possible for selfish reasons, and for that very reason, I understand how discrete a company in the forefront will want to be. As for safety, the worst experience I've personally had with thousands of miners were KNC connectors, which at times had 300w through a single PCI, causing the worst failure rate of any units I've ever had.

Powerful actors exist in many industries who want to mitigate the progress of competitors, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to new market entrants who skirt longstanding international business norms that are designed: (1) to help provide consumer protection and safety, and (2) to help ensure fair dealing in the line of commerce among market participants.

As to safety, consider this analogy. If a new startup pharmaceutical company wanted to take on the big pharma players (who in many cases have monopolies on the treatment of certain conditions due to patent protection), would you risk your or your loved ones' lives and ingest pills from that company, even if you had no idea who they were, who their management was, where they are operating, whether they had a business license, and from where they were sourcing their chemicals? Even if the startup were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a drug that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't that company be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly?

The DragonMint from Halong Mining is anlogous in certain respects. A purported "start-up" claims it wants to embark on grand plans to decentralize and take on the massive player, Bitmain. It operates totally anonymously. Even if Halong were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a product that burned down your house or mining operation --- or emitted fumes that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't Halong be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly?

I appreciate that the worst experience you've had is seeing thousands of miners with KNC connectors with extremely high failure rates. What if Halong's miners end up having connectors with extremely high failure rates due to negligence during the manufacturing process or a flawed design? And since Halong is totally anonymous, we'd have no way to hold it accountable if Halong choose not to assume responsibility for them. Would you find that acceptable?

If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly, would you have found his business "commendable" too?

If Bernie made ASIC hardware and actually delivered it as Halong continues to do, yes. [....]

Hypothetically, if Bernie had engaged in theft of intellectual property from an ASIC hardware manufacturer, so long as you received your hardware from him and your Bitcoin account is growing, you're good with that? Don't you think Bernie's ASIC manufacturing company should be held to account?

As for anything, caveat emptor. If you are not confident in purchasing any gear, no one is forcing you to do so. Continue sleuthing if you feel there are legitimate concerns, everyone has a different set of qualifications they look for in that. Wait it out and check out some of the reviews and confirmations of delivery, and if you're feeling it, have at it. Having done my research and meeting Scott Offord in person, I've felt comfortable with my purchases, and I look forward to the future offerings that are in store. [....]

Without a doubt, Halong Mining warrants our legitimate concern and rigorous scrutiny. I've never claimed that anyone is "forcing" me to do anything. My purpose is conclusively illustrating that Halong Mining is engaging in highly questionable business practices, and prospective buyers should proceed with caution and realize that they have no reasonable recourse to hold this "company" accountable should the need arise. In addition, Halong has made claims about the DragonMint that we cannot verify, such as the existence of its supposed FCC certification. Red flags galore, people. Red flags.

[Bob-Bit]

Man. I'd buy a miner off a dread headed guy going by the name "Hamstake" at a Grateful Dead show if it was good enough and cheap enough. (I'd have to see it running in that case, I'm not stupid) Put the thing on a metal shelf in a room with a concrete floor, invest in a smoke alarm, and stop worrying so much. I wouldn't trust ANY miner. Obviously I wouldn't buy 50 of the things untill all the reviews are in, but I'm worried about mining, pools, hashrates, and power consumption, not who I might be able to sue, or how I might sue them. (Then again, I AM a miner). This all reminds me of when you had friends when you were a kid, and their parents bought them a flock of ATV's but wouldn't let anyone ride them because they were afraid someone would get hurt and sue them. That's one of the biggest things wrong with this world, everyone wants to hold someone accountable for anything that might happen. Shit can't "just happen". By the logic on this thread, people should never buy a miner used from someone on Ebay, or people should always buy the power supply that is provided by the miner manufacturer (which usually sucks), so they can prove liability in the case that something happens.

[fanatic26]

It seems that peoples arguments for Halong are all along the lines of them being disruptive to Bitmain. First of all, there are already other ESTABLISHED and trustworthy manufacturers out there (See Canaan Creative). Rather than buying from them, some people choose to champion a brand new company with questionable business practices. The claim that they are for decentralization and all that other hot garbage? Their machines literally FORCE you to mine on specific pools or they dont work at all. This is true forced centralization, something Bitmain has never even come close to attempting. This is a for profit company, just like Bitmain and all the rest so please dont try and make claims about their altruism when they are obviously in it for the money just like everyone else.

People really need to get this "anything is better than bitmain" mantra out of their head because it will do more damage than good. Halong Mining should answer these simple questions about their business. As someone who buys machines by the thousand I wouldn't touch this company with a 100 foot pole. I have taken chances on hardware before, being the first person to bring Ebits to the US. In order to be comfortable with that purchase, I flew to their headquarters and received a full tour of their facilities before even thinking about taking a chance. With Halong, they do everything possible to obfuscate who they are and are unwilling to engage with people in the sector that have proven track records.

Ive met the CEOs of Bitmain, Canaan Creative, and Ebang. Who is the CEO of Halong?

[ricknamer]

BOOM

No more speculation.

Good!

[-ck]

Please be advised there is a twitter account impersonating me linking sales for this hardware. This is NOT me and is a scam site. My account is ckpooldev, the scammer is using ckpooIdev. Note the uppercase i they're using instead of a lowercase L. Do not go to their linked site.

[Thetaj]

Ok, lets get back to topic shall we?

When do you think Halong is going to lower their pricing? At this point S9s are sub-1k

[philipma1957]

Ok, lets get back to topic shall we?

When do you think Halong is going to lower their pricing? At this point S9s are sub-1k

so  pay 910-925 for a 13.5th machine pulling  1400 watts 6 month warranty = s-9

or pay 1600 for a 13.5 th machine pulling 1340 watts 2 year warranty = avalon 841

or pay 2000 for a 15.2th machine pulling 1500 watts 6 month warranty runs on 2 pools = dragon mint t1


the choice is for the miner to make.

the assessment above seems to be accurate

[radiu_s]

Hello,

I like to know if anyone has already received his Dragonmint 16T/T1 (Maybe buyers of the "first" March batch?).

Thank you in advance for a short info.

[Megaquake]

or pay 2000 for a 15.2th machine pulling 1500 watts 6 month warranty runs on 2 pools = dragon mint t1

Well lets hope it is more accurate than Ebang on it's e-10 lol

[compjunction]

Hello,

I like to know if anyone has already received his Dragonmint 16T/T1 (Maybe buyers of the "first" March batch?).

Thank you in advance for a short info.

Yep received a few days ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaBGKKDX4AIqDlO.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaBGKKGXkAEaVxu.jpg

http://ckpool.org/users/3HhjdPLw39eXBhV2RjKdM6Ceapon89EPpP


Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to remove inline image tags.

[dimaze]

Powerful actors exist in many industries who want to mitigate the progress of competitors, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to new market entrants who skirt longstanding international business norms that are designed: (1) to help provide consumer protection and safety, and (2) to help ensure fair dealing in the line of commerce among market participants.

As to safety, consider this analogy. If a new startup pharmaceutical company wanted to take on the big pharma players (who in many cases have monopolies on the treatment of certain conditions due to patent protection), would you risk your or your loved ones' lives and ingest pills from that company, even if you had no idea who they were, who their management was, where they are operating, whether they had a business license, and from where they were sourcing their chemicals? Even if the startup were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a drug that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't that company be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly?

The DragonMint from Halong Mining is anlogous in certain respects. A purported "start-up" claims it wants to embark on grand plans to decentralize and take on the massive player, Bitmain. It operates totally anonymously. Even if Halong were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a product that burned down your house or mining operation --- or emitted fumes that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't Halong be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly?

I appreciate that the worst experience you've had is seeing thousands of miners with KNC connectors with extremely high failure rates. What if Halong's miners end up having connectors with extremely high failure rates due to negligence during the manufacturing process or a flawed design? And since Halong is totally anonymous, we'd have no way to hold it accountable if Halong choose not to assume responsibility for them. Would you find that acceptable?

I understand your concern about health concerns and liability, however, if there were widespread issues in this industry with regards to safety, there would be much more stringent policies in place than your pharmaceutical company example. We are talking about silicon here. There is a degree of common sense people are responsible for, which would be far more likely to cause health risks. For example, you don't sleep in the hot isle at your facility. You don't pop 10x the recommended dosage. Had these units pulled more electricity per PCI connector similar to the KNC offerings, I would absolutely be concerned. However, that is not the case. Their hardware specs fall in line with general industry standards for the T1, and they've exceeded other specifications and delivery projections on other offerings.

Hypothetically, if Bernie had engaged in theft of intellectual property from an ASIC hardware manufacturer, so long as you received your hardware from him and your Bitcoin account is growing, you're good with that? Don't you think Bernie's ASIC manufacturing company should be held to account?

Without a doubt, Halong Mining warrants our legitimate concern and rigorous scrutiny. I've never claimed that anyone is "forcing" me to do anything. My purpose is conclusively illustrating that Halong Mining is engaging in highly questionable business practices, and prospective buyers should proceed with caution and realize that they have no reasonable recourse to hold this "company" accountable should the need arise. In addition, Halong has made claims about the DragonMint that we cannot verify, such as the existence of its supposed FCC certification. Red flags galore, people. Red flags.

I support collaboration and unity with any field, as long as it improves the consumer experience and performance. If a manufacturer was using a variation of Asicboost, there's nothing wrong with other manufacturers getting on that train. It's inevitable, especially with the high level of efficiency gains. In a competitive market, manufacturers often use advancements in the field to their own benefit.  I'm going to guess if certain big players got wind at exactly what Halong was doing, they would have tried to disrupt them as much as they could. This includes supply chain, legal, and all sort of covert approaches, as I'm sure some have already tried. Look at the fake sites popping up that are using falsely using reputable people's accounts with capital i's in hopes to scam and do phishing. I for one understand the level of privacy Halong had, especially before the ASICBoost defensive patent announcement.

As for accountability on that end, there's some contacts listed below with the patent announcement.
https://www.asicboost.com/single-post/2018/03/01/offering-announcement-blockchain-defensive-patent-license/

[vincl]

so nobody on this forum received their T1 except a user with only 1 post?

[philipma1957]

so nobody on this forum received their T1 except a user with only 1 post?

No  2 real members  got them:


 Biffa

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149433


elokk

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558138


the status on the gear is :

1) it is real
2) some t1's reached real members --  Edit> long time miners on this site
3) it works on 2 pools --- Edit > slush and -ck kano may add his pool
4) it appears that  it does 0.10 watts per gh -- Edit> based on info from elokk 
5) no one has demo'ed a unit  doing 16th at 1450 watts ------  Edit > other then Halong early video

basically  I am still waiting for my test unit.

I will be able to do extensive testing  with these psus using 220 volts

1) https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020180316201909316Kk2Q3O5W063B  bitmain APW3++

2) https://halongmining.com/shop/psu-1600w/                                                                 Halong dragonmint 1600watt

3) https://www.ebay.com/itm/DPS-2400AB-200V-240V-SWITCHING-POWER-SUPLLY-1-set-of-Cables-1-Board/332593405016? Delta  2400 watt

4) https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-39Y7408-39Y7409-Astec-AA23920L-2880W-AC-Server-Power-Supply-w-Fan/202263541041? ibm 2880 watt

5) https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-BLADECENTER-SERVER-COMPUTER-POWER-SUPPLY-2980-WATT-39Y7415-39Y7414/173196693884? ibm 2980 watt




6) https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Power/Plug-Type/axi-series-config/p/CP-9020057-NA  corsair Ax1500i

[Dr.Mann]

Powerful actors exist in many industries who want to mitigate the progress of competitors, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to new market entrants who skirt longstanding international business norms that are designed: (1) to help provide consumer protection and safety, and (2) to help ensure fair dealing in the line of commerce among market participants. [....] [Halong Mining] operates totally anonymously. Even if Halong were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a product that burned down your house or mining operation --- or emitted fumes that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't Halong be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly? [....] What if Halong's miners end up having connectors with extremely high failure rates due to negligence during the manufacturing process or a flawed design? And since Halong is totally anonymous, we'd have no way to hold it accountable if Halong choose not to assume responsibility for them. Would you find that acceptable?

I understand your concern about health concerns and liability, however, if there were widespread issues in this industry with regards to safety, there would be much more stringent policies in place than your pharmaceutical company example. We are talking about silicon here. There is a degree of common sense people are responsible for, which would be far more likely to cause health risks. For example, you don't sleep in the hot isle at your facility. You don't pop 10x the recommended dosage. Had these units pulled more electricity per PCI connector similar to the KNC offerings, I would absolutely be concerned. However, that is not the case. Their hardware specs fall in line with general industry standards for the T1, and they've exceeded other specifications and delivery projections on other offerings.

With all due respect, I was not asking you how risky you believe it is to operate a DragonMint.  Silicon is not the only material inside of the DragonMint and its PSU. Other risk factors exist, such as extremely high voltage. Yet the central question from my previous post remains, which you did not answer. Should it be possible in a court of law to hold Halong Mining accountable, if someone has a valid claim against it? Should Halong be held accountable if it negligently released a defective product that posed an unacceptable risk of danger? Of course it should. Every business should be held to account if it acts with negligence or if someone has a valid claim against it. I am not saying that Halong Mining has done any of these things (although the Innosilicon board looks staggeringly similar to that of the DM, see https://i.imgur.com/RgI9Eoy.jpg), but I have a real problem with the public's not having the information needed to sue and recover from someone if valid claims arise. Do you share this concern? If you do, then please realize that to hold a business operator accountable, we have to know, at a minimum, where we can deliver a copy of the lawsuit. That is why businesses are required to have a registered agent who can receive service of process from a court.

Using extremely high voltage is not an activity anyone should take lightly, even if you consider silicon safe. Even low wattage smartphones have been known to burn dangerously due to defective components. The DragonMint operates at 1500 watts, has no FCC certification that I have been able to verify (despite Halong's claim that it exists), and it is the first ever product from a new hardware manufacturer with no track record that insists on operating with total anonymity and impunity.

The mining industry is still young enough and its hardware rare enough that regulators still don't fully understand them. Governments are just starting to wrap their minds around the need for economic regulation of cryptocurrencies. The G20 leaders announced last month that cryptocurrency is on their radar. South Korea weeks ago banned anonymous cryptocurrency accounts. Regulation on the hardware side is just starting to happen too. The U.S. FCC in February sent a cease and desist letter to a home miner in Brooklyn, New York due to a Bitmain Antminer that the FCC believed disrupted a cell phone network. The disruption was so serious that T-Mobile, a U.S. corporation, spent thousands of dollars investigating the source of the interference and finally triangulated the interference to one man's Brooklyn apartment.

If someone in New York or anywhere else can't place a phone call to emergency medical services, for example, because a Bitmain miner is disrupting their cell phone signal, can't we all agree that is an example of a legitimate safety concern? If we learn that Bitmain miners disrupt mobile phone communications to a dangerous degree, and if that disruption is due to a design defect or gross negligence by Bitmain, can't we all agree that Bitmain should assume responsibility for its actions?  If, hypothetically, Bitmain were to try to skirt responsibility, can't we all agree that a court of proper jurisdiction should force Bitmain to assume responsibility? The same should happen to Halong Mining (or any other entity) if for some reason Halong is ever found to have acted with negligence or some other valid claim against it exists.

Hypothetically, if Bernie had engaged in theft of intellectual property from an ASIC hardware manufacturer, so long as you received your hardware from him and your Bitcoin account is growing, you're good with that? Don't you think Bernie's ASIC manufacturing company should be held to account? [....] My purpose is conclusively illustrating that Halong Mining is engaging in highly questionable business practices, and prospective buyers should proceed with caution and realize that they have no reasonable recourse to hold this "company" accountable should the need arise. [....]

I support collaboration and unity with any field, as long as it improves the consumer experience and performance. If a manufacturer was using a variation of Asicboost, there's nothing wrong with other manufacturers getting on that train. It's inevitable, especially with the high level of efficiency gains. In a competitive market, manufacturers often use advancements in the field to their own benefit.  I'm going to guess if certain big players got wind at exactly what Halong was doing, they would have tried to disrupt them as much as they could. This includes supply chain, legal, and all sort of covert approaches, as I'm sure some have already tried. Look at the fake sites popping up that are using falsely using reputable people's accounts with capital i's in hopes to scam and do phishing. I for one understand the level of privacy Halong had, especially before the ASICBoost defensive patent announcement.

As for accountability on that end, there's some contacts listed below with the patent announcement.
https://www.asicboost.com/single-post/2018/03/01/offering-announcement-blockchain-defensive-patent-license/

Collaboration, unity, improved consumer experience, improved performance.... These goals are wonderful. I share them with you. But please realize that "improved consumer experience" requires the possibility that a manufacturer can be held accountable for valid legal claims against it. It doesn't matter who the business is. You don't get to operate with impunity in business under any circumstances.

As for the contact at the URL you provided, the contact information shown on that page is for Little Dragon Technology LLC -- and notes nothing about Halong Mining. I found no evidence that an association exists between these two entities other than Halong Mining says it is a licensor of the patent purportedly owned by Little Dragon Technology. Halong wrote on its blog, "After Little Dragon Technology LLC acquired the patent from the original inventors, we negotiated a license to use AsicBoost in our miners on the understanding that AsicBoost would be opened up to everyone to use, under some form of defensive patent license, in the hopes it can help protect decentralization of Bitcoin mining. " (See: https://halongmining.com/blog/.)

I checked the Statement of Information on file with the California Secretary of State for the entity Little Dragon Technology LLC, and the filing does not note any association between Little Dragon Technology LLC and Halong Mining. To that extent, I am inclined to believe that Little Dragon Technology LLC is simply a shell company with no legal connection to Halong Mining, and that Halong Mining is using the AsicBoost license just as anyone else is authorized to do. The key point is that one cannot successfully sue Little Dragon Technology LLC for valid legal claims against Halong Mining.

[philipma1957]

 Well on the subject of lawsuits.

 Lets say the gear works safely and the one issue it has is it does 15.25 th at 1550 watts.

The DragonMint T1 is the worlds most efficient Bitcoin miner, operating at 16TH with AsicBoost technology inside for greater power efficiency.
At the wall power consumption of with DragonMint 1600W PSU and dual fans 1480W @ 240V at ambient temperature 25°C. Variation of ±8% is expected.

the specs are above

If that statement turns out to be pretty far off the mark on unit after unit after unit
There is a possibility that people will look for refunds or compensation.
 -ck has said firmware tweaks  may get the power lower.
 this is an indication they did not meet  the specs


so 1480/16000 =  0.0925 watts a gh

and if they avg

1550/15250  = 0.1016 watts a gh  it is off by 9.837% 

It remains to be seen just how many units will come close to 16000 gh at 1480 watts at that wall.


 

[Biffa]

so nobody on this forum received their T1 except a user with only 1 post?

No  2 real members  got them:


 Biffa

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149433

Just to clarify I haven't got mine yet, 6 boxes have  shipped and are currently in customs, and have been for the past 3 days with a "clearance event" holding things up.