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January 27, 2018, 02:30:15 AM
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Well, you see? Someone has noticed your post, you've got 10 merits in one shot and now you are fit to become a Member in no time, as soon as your activity is 60. I think this system could work for low ranking members, but only for them. When you join the forum it will take you two months or so to achieve the activity necessary to become a Member. In these two months you just need to get 10 merits - which should not be impossible, or even difficult, for someone who makes decent posts.
The problem rises afterwards, when you need hundreds of merits to climb further in rank. My guess is that that will be an impossible mission, given the scarcity of sMerits. In the rules will stay like this on the long run it will thus become a Forum of Members only - with a little elite of people with higher and mostly frozen ranks.

Well, you have a point of course and perhaps getting the necessary number of Merits for each rank isn't all too difficult (though I think it gets more difficult the higher rank you go).

I think the original intention of the Activity system is to reward active members who contribute to the forum, and assign a ranking for them. It is an own-merit system (my own unofficial term), meaning you yourself control the destiny of your rank. It has its flaws of course, as is the reason for now introducing an additional Merit system.

The only concern I was pointing out on the Merit system is that it is a subjective system dependent on others (and not an own-merit system). This means, you are dependent on not only getting recognized by others but also being favored by them to hand out merits to you.  It's a system of chance, depending on whether someone notices your post.

All things said, this just represents my initial impression.  Perhaps I could be amplifying the picture or perhaps I could have misunderstood the system, and my concerns may be unfounded.  Time will tell how this unfolds.

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January 27, 2018, 02:34:05 AM
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Merit is a new system where older users can withhold merit from younger users so they can't rank up and earn all the bounties!

I don't think so, just look at this thread, a lot of higher rank members are already giving merits to lower rank members. This new method is not about hoarding bounties, this is about preserving the quality of the forum. There are a lot of forums in the internet that are already using the merit system in terms of likes and upvotes and so far it's been helping improve the quality of their forums.

Not sure you can say that at this stage though.. just because a trickle of new users in this thread (maybe 10% or so) are getting merit doesn't mean it's working. A lot are getting merit just because they are complaining that they don't have any merit and that it's unfair lol.

Out there in the wild: it may turn out that new users seldom get any merit at all.

Check this young account out..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0

one exception to a not so well thought out rule does not mean this paradigm shift has tilted this forum in the right direction.

But what do I know? I'm just a member after all...

right attitude, quality post.. lots of merit from lots of people.. it is working fella



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January 27, 2018, 02:47:28 AM
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Well, you see? Someone has noticed your post, you've got 10 merits in one shot and now you are fit to become a Member in no time, as soon as your activity is 60. I think this system could work for low ranking members, but only for them. When you join the forum it will take you two months or so to achieve the activity necessary to become a Member. In these two months you just need to get 10 merits - which should not be impossible, or even difficult, for someone who makes decent posts.
The problem rises afterwards, when you need hundreds of merits to climb further in rank. My guess is that that will be an impossible mission, given the scarcity of sMerits. In the rules will stay like this on the long run it will thus become a Forum of Members only - with a little elite of people with higher and mostly frozen ranks.

Well, you have a point of course and perhaps getting the necessary number of Merits for each rank isn't all too difficult (though I think it gets more difficult the higher rank you go).

I think the original intention of the Activity system is to reward active members who contribute to the forum, and assign a ranking for them. It is an own-merit system (my own unofficial term), meaning you yourself control the destiny of your rank. It has its flaws of course, as is the reason for now introducing an additional Merit system.

The only concern I was pointing out on the Merit system is that it is a subjective system dependent on others (and not an own-merit system). This means, you are dependent on not only getting recognized by others but also being favored by them to hand out merits to you.  It's a system of chance, depending on whether someone notices your post.

All things said, this just represents my initial impression.  Perhaps I could be amplifying the picture or perhaps I could have misunderstood the system, and my concerns may be unfounded.  Time will tell how this unfolds.
As I said in my previous posts, I totally agree with you. Merit system which highly correlated with ranking system is good, but it has drawbacks. And this one partially is a system of luck, of chance, of randomized generosity. Lower users have to almost totally or partially depend on others to be upgraded. Therefore it should be adjusted a little bit.
Merit system should include two parts:
1. One part for users effort for themselves. Increasing their merit points weekly, monthly by a certain number of merit points, such as 2,5 merit points per month, etc. in a way extremely stricter than maximum activities monthly. Final merit points per month should be discussed more.
2. Merit points they can get from others who appreciated their posts which are both useful and high-quality.

Two parts will sum up users' total merit points.

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January 27, 2018, 02:57:53 AM
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 #1464

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

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January 27, 2018, 03:01:56 AM
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Well, while I appreciate the effort of improving the quality, I wonder if those changes are based on research or the pious wish that this will work. It doesn't matter how you call it, every form of ranking systems that are based on user-rating incentivizes trading and any kind of cheating whether by paying people making it a requirement in an airdrop etc.
Making it a commodity is a joke, sorry. It reeks of greed, an elite making their accounts even more valuable.

Another question: Why is the initial merit score equal to the minimum required to your rank? Why not proportionally to the actual activity?
Hope this will work, but I doubt it. Newbies will be disregarded and won't get merit, while known members will give themselves merit back and forth...

You should run for president!!! This is the best thing I have read on this thread all damn day!!!

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January 27, 2018, 03:03:23 AM
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Well, you have a point of course and perhaps getting the necessary number of Merits for each rank isn't all too difficult (though I think it gets more difficult the higher rank you go).

I think the original intention of the Activity system is to reward active members who contribute to the forum, and assign a ranking for them. It is an own-merit system (my own unofficial term), meaning you yourself control the destiny of your rank. It has its flaws of course, as is the reason for now introducing an additional Merit system.

The only concern I was pointing out on the Merit system is that it is a subjective system dependent on others (and not an own-merit system). This means, you are dependent on not only getting recognized by others but also being favored by them to hand out merits to you.  It's a system of chance, depending on whether someone notices your post.

All things said, this just represents my initial impression.  Perhaps I could be amplifying the picture or perhaps I could have misunderstood the system, and my concerns may be unfounded.  Time will tell how this unfolds.

There is an element of chance but it also depends on the quality of your posts. You get a better chance if your posts are higher quality. Compare to the old system where everyone had the same chance whether they post useless one-liners or broker Middle East peace.

The other aspect of the new system is that you're essentially competing with other posters for the limited amount of merits. In other words, you don't necessarily have to meet a specific criteria, maybe being your own self is enough. E.g. if 90% of the forum are shitposters and you're not - you should be fine.

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January 27, 2018, 03:07:24 AM
 #1467

Merit is a new system where older users can withhold merit from younger users so they can't rank up and earn all the bounties!

I don't think so, just look at this thread, a lot of higher rank members are already giving merits to lower rank members. This new method is not about hoarding bounties, this is about preserving the quality of the forum. There are a lot of forums in the internet that are already using the merit system in terms of likes and upvotes and so far it's been helping improve the quality of their forums.

Not sure you can say that at this stage though.. just because a trickle of new users in this thread (maybe 10% or so) are getting merit doesn't mean it's working. A lot are getting merit just because they are complaining that they don't have any merit and that it's unfair lol.

Out there in the wild: it may turn out that new users seldom get any merit at all.

Check this young account out..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0




Quality post is good thing;  but it will be good if the old system can run for who stuck in between. Now with the new merit system,   those about tot get their rank change now has to wait for long.  Same point is discuss on this thread over and over again.
one exception to a not so well thought out rule does not mean this paradigm shift has tilted this forum in the right direction.

But what do I know? I'm just a member after all...

right attitude, quality post.. lots of merit from lots of people.. it is working fella



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January 27, 2018, 03:15:46 AM
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As I said in my previous posts, I totally agree with you. Merit system which highly correlated with ranking system is good, but it has drawbacks. And this one partially is a system of luck, of chance, of randomized generosity. Lower users have to almost totally or partially depend on others to be upgraded. Therefore it should be adjusted a little bit.
Merit system should include two parts:
1. One part for users effort for themselves. Increasing their merit points weekly, monthly by a certain number of merit points, such as 2,5 merit points per month, etc. in a way extremely stricter than maximum activities monthly. Final merit points per month should be discussed more.
2. Merit points they can get from others who appreciated their posts which are both useful and high-quality.

Two parts will sum up users' total merit points.

Thanks for the discussion and I appreciate your point of view. Just one final point - your first part is already achieved by the Activity system. It's based on your own effort, you get max 14 points in 2 weeks, etc etc.  So in essence, the two parts you mention just described what the current system offers.

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January 27, 2018, 03:17:25 AM
 #1469

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

+1 sM

Says the guy espousing that sM are not meant to be hoarded while ...  Shocked Shocked Shocked <humor at theymos' expense>

EDIT: It seems I'm mistaken as to what I was alluding to  Cry: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=35 (carry on!)

Meanwhile, looks like I was beaten to the punch: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.msg28#msg28 (yep, gave +1 sM; hope he doesn't hoard them  Roll Eyes)

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January 27, 2018, 03:17:39 AM
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Well, you see? Someone has noticed your post, you've got 10 merits in one shot and now you are fit to become a Member in no time, as soon as your activity is 60. I think this system could work for low ranking members, but only for them. When you join the forum it will take you two months or so to achieve the activity necessary to become a Member. In these two months you just need to get 10 merits - which should not be impossible, or even difficult, for someone who makes decent posts.
The problem rises afterwards, when you need hundreds of merits to climb further in rank. My guess is that that will be an impossible mission, given the scarcity of sMerits. In the rules will stay like this on the long run it will thus become a Forum of Members only - with a little elite of people with higher and mostly frozen ranks.

Well, you have a point of course and perhaps getting the necessary number of Merits for each rank isn't all too difficult (though I think it gets more difficult the higher rank you go).

I think the original intention of the Activity system is to reward active members who contribute to the forum, and assign a ranking for them. It is an own-merit system (my own unofficial term), meaning you yourself control the destiny of your rank. It has its flaws of course, as is the reason for now introducing an additional Merit system.

The only concern I was pointing out on the Merit system is that it is a subjective system dependent on others (and not an own-merit system). This means, you are dependent on not only getting recognized by others but also being favored by them to hand out merits to you.  It's a system of chance, depending on whether someone notices your post.

All things said, this just represents my initial impression.  Perhaps I could be amplifying the picture or perhaps I could have misunderstood the system, and my concerns may be unfounded.  Time will tell how this unfolds.
As I said in my previous posts, I totally agree with you. Merit system which highly correlated with ranking system is good, but it has drawbacks. And this one partially is a system of luck, of chance, of randomized generosity. Lower users have to almost totally or partially depend on others to be upgraded. Therefore it should be adjusted a little bit.
Merit system should include two parts:
1. One part for users effort for themselves. Increasing their merit points weekly, monthly by a certain number of merit points, such as 2,5 merit points per month, etc. in a way extremely stricter than maximum activities monthly. Final merit points per month should be discussed more.
2. Merit points they can get from others who appreciated their posts which are both useful and high-quality.

Two parts will sum up users' total merit points.
Agree with this guy ideas. I am very lucky to pass the threshold of Member rank before merit system launch. Two componental parts of merit system which combine together to make users' total merit points is a better approach.

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January 27, 2018, 03:23:11 AM
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As I said in my previous posts, I totally agree with you. Merit system which highly correlated with ranking system is good, but it has drawbacks. And this one partially is a system of luck, of chance, of randomized generosity. Lower users have to almost totally or partially depend on others to be upgraded. Therefore it should be adjusted a little bit.
Merit system should include two parts:
1. One part for users effort for themselves. Increasing their merit points weekly, monthly by a certain number of merit points, such as 2,5 merit points per month, etc. in a way extremely stricter than maximum activities monthly. Final merit points per month should be discussed more.
2. Merit points they can get from others who appreciated their posts which are both useful and high-quality.

Two parts will sum up users' total merit points.

Thanks for the discussion and I appreciate your point of view. Just one final point - your first part is already achieved by the Activity system. It's based on your own effort, you get max 14 points in 2 weeks, etc etc.  So in essence, the two parts you mention just described what the current system offers.
I guess what the guy mentioned is two componental merits will combine into final merit points. For example, with junior members, if they are active, they will receive one of two merit points each month. I think this one is extremely stricter enough to stop spamming. That what this guy tried mentioning about first part.

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January 27, 2018, 03:24:53 AM
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merit point is an effective innovation and best solution to narrow activity of spammers that continue to increase and this is very useful as a filter for the post is more useful and has a quality,
And certainly provide a positive effect for quality post progress in the future,so of course in need of a creativity to be do post at any time.

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January 27, 2018, 03:28:06 AM
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Every community thrives on the entry of new members to keep the community refreshed and expanding.

Do the new entrants need time to settle down and adjust to the rules and regulations of the forum? Of course they do. Will some of them be spammers? Of course. Will some of them need time than others to learn the ropes? Most definitely!!!

But that does not mean we should neglect the fact that EVERY SINGLE Hero/Legendary member today was once a newbie. Some of them did a lot of spamming on their way to the top, a lot of them found it difficult to adjust to life here but they did and it has paid off.

When I was a newbie I never spammed because I had a lot of crypto training from my crypto mentor on how to evaluate projects and ICOs as well as a million and one things so even though I was still a crypto novice and a newbie here, I never spammed because of the deep respect I had for the forum plus it wasn't my very first crypto forum oddly enough.

What a lot of people supporting this shit merit system do not get is the fact that truly legit upcoming members who had to work hard to get to the middle levels are not happy to be affected by something we were never guilty of in the first place.  

One thing is for sure, if there is zero incentive to earn money on this platform there will likely be only a handful of people here. Anyone (and that includes high ranking members) claiming that the monetary benefits of rank increase through translations, bounty management, signature campaigns, social media bounties did not serve and still doesn't serve as an incentive is a BIG FAT HYPOCRITE.

This new system if not reversed or at the very least revised will adversely affect the traffic here. I mean,, let's be real...the major reason people want to rank up Is so they can enjoy the benefits high members are enjoying..and now you tell them they have to earn the accolades from those accusing them of ruining the forum in the first place. The irony of it all. Sad shit

Plus now if you had multiple accounts for spamming they just officially gave you multiple merits to burn and sell as you please. Even if you make the nicest comments and deliver the most informative posts doesn't mean a soul will be compelled to send you a single merit.

I could go on and on but sleep calls...I believe I have made my point.

The motive is undeniably great...the method sadly unquestionably flawed!

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January 27, 2018, 03:36:19 AM
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I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

Any chance you could extend this to those of us with potential activity >=775 Cheesy Legendary just got a lot lot further after this update...

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January 27, 2018, 03:38:36 AM
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Well, while I appreciate the effort of improving the quality, I wonder if those changes are based on research or the pious wish that this will work. It doesn't matter how you call it, every form of ranking systems that are based on user-rating incentivizes trading and any kind of cheating whether by paying people making it a requirement in an airdrop etc.
Making it a commodity is a joke, sorry. It reeks of greed, an elite making their accounts even more valuable.

Another question: Why is the initial merit score equal to the minimum required to your rank? Why not proportionally to the actual activity?
Hope this will work, but I doubt it. Newbies will be disregarded and won't get merit, while known members will give themselves merit back and forth...

You should run for president!!! This is the best thing I have read on this thread all damn day!!!

Even if my grammar is horrible in this post, it's what I think. I mean, there is absolutely no reason to make the rank dependant on merit. Merit could've been an extra indicator for an account, like trust. Something like 'post quality' with a second ranking system. That way everybody could have started at 0 Merit. That would've been fair and everybody would've been equal. To assume that a Hero or Legendary Member always creates valuable posts is just nonsense. But that is basically what the conversion did.

Let's assume an average user posts 100 posts with 30% low-quality, 60% medium-quality and 10% high-quality posts, then he maybe gets merit for 15% of his posts. Now you need to take into account that the actual number of merit points highly depends on where he posts (how many are reading the post) and whose opinion he shares. This means at leas 7 merit per valuable post is needed.
The best example is this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0 where many gave merit points. But ask yourself, is this a valuable post? It took time to make it, sure, but what makes it valuable. It purely reflects an opinion. It doesn't discriminate or list pros and cons, there is no contrast. It tells the supporters of this new system what they want to hear and of course, they merited it, ridiculously high if I might add.
There are hundreds of posts in this forum that have more value than this post, I wonder if all of them get 61+ merit.

The same post, advocating for the exact opposite or a different solution, wouldn't have gotten nearly the same amount of merit. Because even if there was an equal amount of people who don't support the system, they wouldn't have used said system.

So now it's basically finding topics that Hero/Legendary Members support or like because they are the ones who have the most merit to give and the more you have of something, the easier it is for you to part with a small amount of it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against a system that improves the posting quality, I'm merely hinting at some of the flaws this implementation has  Smiley

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January 27, 2018, 03:51:49 AM
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Well, while I appreciate the effort of improving the quality, I wonder if those changes are based on research or the pious wish that this will work. It doesn't matter how you call it, every form of ranking systems that are based on user-rating incentivizes trading and any kind of cheating whether by paying people making it a requirement in an airdrop etc.
Making it a commodity is a joke, sorry. It reeks of greed, an elite making their accounts even more valuable.

Another question: Why is the initial merit score equal to the minimum required to your rank? Why not proportionally to the actual activity?
Hope this will work, but I doubt it. Newbies will be disregarded and won't get merit, while known members will give themselves merit back and forth...

You should run for president!!! This is the best thing I have read on this thread all damn day!!!

Even if my grammar is horrible in this post, it's what I think. I mean, there is absolutely no reason to make the rank dependant on merit. Merit could've been an extra indicator for an account, like trust. Something like 'post quality' with a second ranking system. That way everybody could have started at 0 Merit. That would've been fair and everybody would've been equal. To assume that a Hero or Legendary Member always create valuable posts is just nonsense. But that is basically what the conversion did.

Let's assume an average user posts 100 posts with 30% low-quality, 60% medium-quality and 10% high-quality posts, then he maybe gets merit for 15% of his posts. Now you need to take into account that the actual number of merit points highly depends on where he posts (how many are reading the post) and whose opinion he shares. The best example is this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0 where many gave merit points. But ask yourself, is this a valuable post? It took time to make it, sure, but what makes it valuable. It purely reflects an opinion. It doesn't discriminate or list pros and cons, there is no contrast. It tells the supporters of this new system what they want to hear and of course, they merit it, ridiculously high if I might add.
There are hundreds of posts in this forum that have more value than this post, I wonder if all of them get 61+ merit.

The same post, advocating for the exact opposite or a different solution, wouldn't have gotten nearly the same amount of merit. Because even if there was an equal amount of people who don't support the system, they wouldn't have used said system.

So now it's basically finding topics that Hero/Legendary Members support or like because they are the ones who have the most merit to give and the more you have of something, the easier it is for you to part with a small amount of it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against a system that improves the posting quality, I'm merely hinting at some of the flaws this implementation has  Smiley

Your grammar is not that bad, bud. As far as the example post you offered up not warranting sM, I'm betting that the rewards were based on the entire thread and its creation, not JUST for the OP of said thread.

In case you missed it, I +1 sM your post because that's the type of guy I'm.

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January 27, 2018, 04:11:57 AM
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Your grammar is not that bad, bud. As far as the example post you offered up not warranting sM, I'm betting that the rewards were based on the entire thread and its creation, not JUST for the OP of said thread.

In case you missed it, I +1 sM your post because that's the type of guy I'm.

Yea, it is bad, but thanks for the nice words Cheesy

I'm not saying that the post doesn't warrant merit but 61 is just ludicrous. I'm pretty sure that this is all just this post, not the thread because you can sum up the merit points listed and they equal the total merit points of that member and it's just noise and sugarcoating. I'm not jealous if that's what you think, I'm just pointing out that this system is flawed. Truth is, I applaud this member, he/she did everything right and made the best out of this new situation.

There you go, I'm also not stingy Wink

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January 27, 2018, 04:13:35 AM
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So now it's basically finding topics that Hero/Legendary Members support or like because they are the ones who have the most merit to give and the more you have of something, the easier it is for you to part with a small amount of it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against a system that improves the posting quality, I'm merely hinting at some of the flaws this implementation has  Smiley

Hero/Legendary members have more sMerits just in this initial airdrop. We already spent 20k+ of the 600k sMerits, so it will be gone before too long. Your own example shows a Jr. Member getting 30 sMerits. Sucking up to Hero/Legendary members is probably not such a good long-term strategy.

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January 27, 2018, 04:34:50 AM
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What if we ignored the activity level and used the merit alone for ranking purposes?

Give everyone merit equal to their current activity.  Which solves the problem of those who were close to ranking up.
Posting would not be done just to meet minimum requirements to rank up.  Which would cut down on the crap or unnecessary posts.

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January 27, 2018, 04:41:02 AM
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i gave my first spendable meritcoin to satoshi! :-D ~he deserves it!!

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