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January 26, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
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If you send 10 merits, they are taken from your account?
For example, Full Member has 100 merit, after giving 10, he will have only 90? So to be Sr. Member he need to receive 150+10?

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January 26, 2018, 06:15:37 PM
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Just like with beggars on the street, I would be willing to give to a beggar that’s creative. I would give this guy $10.




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January 26, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
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January 26, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
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If you send 10 merits, they are taken from your account?
For example, Full Member has 100 merit, after giving 10, he will have only 90? So to be Sr. Member he need to receive 150+10?

Nope if someone sends you 100 merits, you get basically 100 merits for your score and 50 sMerits you can send to others. Your score will not decrease!

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January 26, 2018, 06:19:33 PM
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That's ridiculous.  Do you even believe your own bullshit?  

Go ahead.  If you really meant what you asked, then make the argument for why everyone should start at 0 merit without totally creating some new-ass fantastical system that makes no sense at all?

Dude I just asked a question Cheesy keep calm.

As long as there are trusted accounts which generate Merit it should be easy for high level accounts to collect Merit faster then Newbies since they already get higher attention I would think.
Therefore eceryone starting at 0 Merit would be an option to create a system which benefits no one in particular and doesnt make it ridiculous hard for new accounts to lvl up.

I dont want the Merrit system to be that way but I simply showed the option since there was no proportional Merit progress within ranks what so ever. Starting at 0 wouldnt benefit some individuals Smiley

In other words, what you are saying makes no sense, unless you happen to have nothing invested.

It sounds like some of those arguments that say, let's just blow everything up and start over.  

And, such a blowing everything up approach only makes sense if you don't have anything invested, and frequently a very short-sighted approach.

And, by the way, there is nothing not "calm" about my previous post, except your perception that it might not be "calm enough" for me to assert that your idea to be ridiculous.

If thats the attitude of a Legendary Member then I am actually thinking that a Merit of 0 for everyone to start with is the best to encourage a more civilized communication.


There is little need to be civilized in a situation like this when I am attempting to get you to justify your earlier assertions, yet you are continuing to spout out non-substantive nonsense and becoming more and more pie-in-the-sky with your failure and refusal to justify your points in any meaningful way, besides repeatedly restating your earlier conclusions with different words but little to no practical justifiications.

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January 26, 2018, 06:23:40 PM
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If you send 10 merits, they are taken from your account?
For example, Full Member has 100 merit, after giving 10, he will have only 90? So to be Sr. Member he need to receive 150+10?

Merit is what you Earn, sMerit is what you give.

If you have 100 Merit, and 10 sMerit, you can give 10 Merit to others. Your 100 Merit is untouched.

Each time you receive 1 Merit from someone else, you also get credited 0.5 sMerit. This sMerit you can send to someone else.
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January 26, 2018, 06:24:32 PM
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I don't like such complex merit system, i feel most people wouldn't be able to rank up hereafter.

I know members will start calling me like butthurt, shit etc, this system will effect future ico projects also which are really the source of INTEREST and INCOME to Bitcointalk Members as well as  BUTHURT sub moderators and Campaign Managers who never understand how important ico projects are for this community.
They are all time opened their mouth waiting for someone to pour a piece of beg into their mouth but they still denounce icos.
 
Admin Theymos should think hundred times about future of your forum before applying these merit system to members.

I doubt you will loose advertisement offers too in near future when nobody will be able to rank up, though ico project developrs would not keep their interest spreading their news in this forum and they will then prefer to move to alternate ads platforms.
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January 26, 2018, 06:30:20 PM
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Basically I do not give a fuck about merit. It does not affect me in any way. I am registered since 2012 and still full member only. I do not care about user ranks, why should anybody anyway? There are no posting restrictions, so stop complaining.
A few regular users who only care about discussing bitcoin related stuff would agree with you.
the rest, who care about attaining higher rank will cry about it
because it hinders them from joining sig campaigns, bounties and other making money opportunities

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January 26, 2018, 06:31:22 PM
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Just like with beggars on the street, I would be willing to give to a beggar that’s creative. I would give this guy $10.



Of course, a creative beggar is providing a service which should be rewarded. However, I'm afraid 10$ would solve only a few micron of that beggar's problem Smiley
So should we open a CREATIVE MERIT BEGGING thread? Wink
That would open the way to a whole new ecology of merit-rewarding games and competitions, even though I am afraid that the true spirit of the reform could get *slightly* twisted in the process...

That’s probably the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet. It would be interesting to see an off-topic thread devoted to games and competitions that paid in merit. Creative begging could pull beggars from other sections of the forum and let them go nuts in off-topic without being banned. LOL

I'm happy you've appreciated it.
But if this is allegedly "the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet", why did I not receive any single merit by anyone? I'm afraid that begging will really become a much better way of receiving merits than just doing your good sincere posts. That's because there are so many form of begging - direct ones, indirect ones, implicit ones, suggested ones, and I won't mention butt-licking - hooops... I did it. It's true that this new merit criteria will probably slow down spam, but in the best case scenario it will also push most people who are not legendary yet to conformism and thus to express only opinions which are likely to get rewarded with merit.

Maybe, but there are people that don’t like conformity and will give you merit. I think like minded people will support each other by giving each other merit. That’s the same problem the Reddit karma system has. It doesn’t foster good debates it forms cliques. I’ve seen groups of the same people move into a thread on reddit and crush someone that has a different view from their own. This system may actually curtail spam and abuse or it may force people into little groups that form into larger beasts by increasing the like minded membership in their clique. Only time will tell.

I have never liked the human attitude of forming "cliques" for whatever reason. I find it somehow a quite sub-human feature, a heritage of the cavemen we've been for hundreds of thousands of years and that in many cases we still are, alas. I had hoped to be able to escape that stuff online in general and on Bitcointalk in particular, but it seems that one way or another wherever you go you always end up surrounded by people aggregating in cliques hostile to each others ...

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January 26, 2018, 06:32:55 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad


I completely agree with this (but sorry, would love to send you some merits though as you can see, I dont have any to send your way).

One of those who can be negatively impacted will be those who are true interested in coins. I for one visit the different threads because I have a genuine interests in those coins. Now with this merit system, I may never move up in ranking unless someone notices my posts and sees value in my posts. This is subjective and can also be subjected to chance.

Just sad that these distractions have hindered genuine people from focusing on the main reason for visiting this forum.

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January 26, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
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See how Lutpin got more than 500 merits in a single day and on a single topic, How many of you already posted your week's required posts to be eligible for payment? Visit services How many edited posts could you find? all of which are the same viruses reserving spots as soon as a new signature campaign is posted. Who needs merits if you could join a signature campaign with 20 already farmed sr/full member accounts? Do you see any signs of shame on the faces of these illiterate sh*tposters? Don't be an asshole like Trump.
If you want a real fix, Try to force a signature to last for 3 month, If you're wearing a signature even removing it would still enter your signature in to a cool down period for 3 month. Make people think twice before joining any sh*tty campaign, When they see that wearing a signature sticks with you for 3 month, They would never join crap ICO's bounties to find a good paying campaign in a meanwhile. Limiting noobs is not the way whilst there are a million registered accounts ready for battle Cheesy
Members like Lutpin as mentioned already are good, Will contribute and get rewarded, Someone who doesn't know how to spell receive and says recive/revice is sh*tposting in parallel to the good posters.
Would you stop posting that awful picture please? Or maybe as high ranking members you think that you're above the rules? NSFW

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January 26, 2018, 06:45:30 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad


I completely agree with this (but sorry, would love to send you some merits though as you can see, I dont have any to send your way).

One of those who can be negatively impacted will be those who are true interested in coins. I for one visit the different threads because I have a genuine interests in those coins. Now with this merit system, I may never move up in ranking unless someone notices my posts and sees value in my posts. This is subjective and can also be subjected to chance.

Just sad that these distractions have hindered genuine people from focusing on the main reason for visiting this forum.


+10 sM



Disregarding this aside, how's that (above horizontal line) for a quality post in the spirit of cleaning up the place? <yes, 10 sM was sent to the user quoted>

 

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January 26, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
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Just like with beggars on the street, I would be willing to give to a beggar that’s creative. I would give this guy $10.



Of course, a creative beggar is providing a service which should be rewarded. However, I'm afraid 10$ would solve only a few micron of that beggar's problem Smiley
So should we open a CREATIVE MERIT BEGGING thread? Wink
That would open the way to a whole new ecology of merit-rewarding games and competitions, even though I am afraid that the true spirit of the reform could get *slightly* twisted in the process...

That’s probably the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet. It would be interesting to see an off-topic thread devoted to games and competitions that paid in merit. Creative begging could pull beggars from other sections of the forum and let them go nuts in off-topic without being banned. LOL

I'm happy you've appreciated it.
But if this is allegedly "the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet", why did I not receive any single merit by anyone? I'm afraid that begging will really become a much better way of receiving merits than just doing your good sincere posts. That's because there are so many form of begging - direct ones, indirect ones, implicit ones, suggested ones, and I won't mention butt-licking - hooops... I did it. It's true that this new merit criteria will probably slow down spam, but in the best case scenario it will also push most people who are not legendary yet to conformism and thus to express only opinions which are likely to get rewarded with merit.

Maybe, but there are people that don’t like conformity and will give you merit. I think like minded people will support each other by giving each other merit. That’s the same problem the Reddit karma system has. It doesn’t foster good debates it forms cliques. I’ve seen groups of the same people move into a thread on reddit and crush someone that has a different view from their own. This system may actually curtail spam and abuse or it may force people into little groups that form into larger beasts by increasing the like minded membership in their clique. Only time will tell.

I have never liked the human attitude of forming "cliques" for whatever reason. I find it somehow a quite sub-human feature, a heritage of the cavemen we've been for hundreds of thousands of years and that in many cases we still are, alas. I had hoped to be able to escape that stuff online in general and on Bitcointalk in particular, but it seems that one way or another wherever you go you always end up surrounded by people aggregating in cliques hostile to each others ...


I’m hoping (and helping) it will not become that way.

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January 26, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
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I completely agree with this (but sorry, would love to send you some merits though as you can see, I dont have any to send your way).

One of those who can be negatively impacted will be those who are true interested in coins. I for one visit the different threads because I have a genuine interests in those coins. Now with this merit system, I may never move up in ranking unless someone notices my posts and sees value in my posts. This is subjective and can also be subjected to chance.

Just sad that these distractions have hindered genuine people from focusing on the main reason for visiting this forum.

How does the merit system prevent you form visiting threads and expressing interest in coins?

I don't like such complex merit system, i feel most people wouldn't be able to rank up hereafter.

I know members will start calling me like butthurt, shit etc, this system will effect future ico projects also which are really the source of INTEREST and INCOME to Bitcointalk Members as well as  BUTHURT sub moderators and Campaign Managers who never understand how important ico projects are for this community.
They are all time opened their mouth waiting for someone to pour a piece of beg into their mouth but they still denounce icos.
 
Admin Theymos should think hundred times about future of your forum before applying these merit system to members.

I doubt you will loose advertisement offers too in near future when nobody will be able to rank up, though ico project developrs would not keep their interest spreading their news in this forum and they will then prefer to move to alternate ads platforms.

One can only hope. ICO cancer can't die soon enough.

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January 26, 2018, 06:49:53 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad


I completely agree with this (but sorry, would love to send you some merits though as you can see, I dont have any to send your way).

One of those who can be negatively impacted will be those who are true interested in coins. I for one visit the different threads because I have a genuine interests in those coins. Now with this merit system, I may never move up in ranking unless someone notices my posts and sees value in my posts. This is subjective and can also be subjected to chance.

Just sad that these distractions have hindered genuine people from focusing on the main reason for visiting this forum.


LOL, how about I send you some and you send them back to me?

You can see why although this forum likes to paint the image of a free society it in essence, will never be. One minute I am working really hard, with honest and informative posts to help contribute meaningfully as well as grow my rank so I can earn more by participating in bounties of projects I feel are truly legit and have something to offer to the cryptospace, the next minute I wake up to this new, lame and unnecessary paradigm shift in our beloved forum.

All this does is place more power and riches in the hands of those high ranking members we look up to but cos they have earned their ranks by working hard here over time, and decrease or even destroy completely the ability of new comers to grow.

Afterall, we were all once newbies and many of us never spammed, trolled or created dummy accounts to rank up.

I hope Theymos and the other admins Reverse this rule for the hardworking, honest and sincere demographic.
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January 26, 2018, 07:27:13 PM
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I really, really, really dislike popularity-based metrics and voting, more so on a site like this where there are so many people with networks of anonymous accounts, and even more so when its grandfathered in. I remember when another forum I was a high contributor on added essentially the same thing, and I had 10,000s of posts and 0 of it. My guides combined have millions of page views, but I will receive nothing from them. Additionally, I would be penalized for not reposting the same guide every 120 days, which seems to go against the stated intentions.

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January 26, 2018, 07:29:06 PM
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Merit is a new system where older users can withhold merit from younger users so they can't rank up and earn all the bounties!
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January 26, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad


I completely agree with this (but sorry, would love to send you some merits though as you can see, I dont have any to send your way).

One of those who can be negatively impacted will be those who are true interested in coins. I for one visit the different threads because I have a genuine interests in those coins. Now with this merit system, I may never move up in ranking unless someone notices my posts and sees value in my posts. This is subjective and can also be subjected to chance.

Just sad that these distractions have hindered genuine people from focusing on the main reason for visiting this forum.


Well, you see? Someone has noticed your post, you've got 10 merits in one shot and now you are fit to become a Member in no time, as soon as your activity is 60. I think this system could work for low ranking members, but only for them. When you join the forum it will take you two months or so to achieve the activity necessary to become a Member. In these two months you just need to get 10 merits - which should not be impossible, or even difficult, for someone who makes decent posts.
The problem rises afterwards, when you need hundreds of merits to climb further in rank. My guess is that that will be an impossible mission, given the scarcity of sMerits. In the rules will stay like this on the long run it will thus become a Forum of Members only - with a little elite of people with higher and mostly frozen ranks.

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January 26, 2018, 07:42:28 PM
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Merit is a new system where older users can withhold merit from younger users so they can't rank up and earn all the bounties!

i don't think that this is what merit is introduced for.

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January 26, 2018, 07:42:56 PM
Merited by TMAN (3), CrazyCraig (1)
 #1360

Here is a handy reference for those confused by the Merit system.

  • 1 Merit  =  Like (AKA Agree)
  • 2 Merit  =  Upvote
  • 4 Merit  =  Upvote twice (you know you've always wanted this feature)
  • 20 Merit  = Bitcointalk Gold

/Merit whoring


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