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June 22, 2018, 08:44:15 AM
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I actually would like an even stricter Merit system: a system were you need to continuously earn merits to be and stay a certain rank. A system where you are never done earning, because only your last 3-6 months are counted. This would remove a lot of paid spam.
In the past I supported similar ideas, but now I am against them again - the problem is that you always punish honest people with such a system, mostly members who wear signatures which are un-paid, and visit this forum not so frequently. Like most of the Core developers, for example ...

The goal of "decaying merits" is obviously to rank-down accounts which achieved a high rank automatically by spamming (via Activity) before the merit system was introduced. That goal can be achieved also by other, less drastic means. As people told me, what is currently being done is that the worst spammers/farmers are (slowly) being banned. So in a couple of months we can expect that only few "farmed Legendaries/Heroes" will be left.

I am currently beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel - the usually megathread-dominated "Bitcoin Discussion" subforum seemed, today, a bit more interesting that it used to be in the last months. At least a handful of serious threads at the first page. Maybe it's beginning to work Smiley

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June 22, 2018, 08:48:39 AM
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Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

This is so unfair! On what basis you selected these users? Cronyism?

In order for Merit system to be fair all users should be given e.g. 10 S-Merit and they could send it to each other.

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June 22, 2018, 08:55:42 AM
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This is so unfair! On what basis you selected these users? Cronyism?
Read theymos' first post completely Smiley Everybody can apply to be a merit source.

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In order for Merit system to be fair all users should be given e.g. 10 S-Merit and they could send it to each other.
That would work against the goals of the merit system, as it would encourage account farming. It would take 2000 spam-bot accounts to create a Legendary ... no problem for people with the necessary technical knowledge.

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June 22, 2018, 09:13:55 AM
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This is so unfair! On what basis you selected these users? Cronyism?
Read theymos' first post completely Smiley Everybody can apply to be a merit source.

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In order for Merit system to be fair all users should be given e.g. 10 S-Merit and they could send it to each other.
That would work against the goals of the merit system, as it would encourage account farming. It would take 2000 spam-bot accounts to create a Legendary ... no problem for people with the necessary technical knowledge.

I read those whole post. I'm pretty sure if I or someone like me applied to become Merit source he would not accept me.

Merit system is being abused already, but that way everyone could do it, not just selected few. This is hat equality is about. Either everyone can do that, or no one. Those are the only options.

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June 22, 2018, 09:23:52 AM
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I read those whole post. I'm pretty sure if I or someone like me applied to become Merit source he would not accept me.

Correct.


If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.


Merit system is being abused already

It has been from the start but as time goes on they are running out of the distributed sMerit to use. That means it is becoming far less of a problem and will soon die out.

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June 22, 2018, 09:32:29 AM
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Hello guys, to my opinion merit fair system , just the problem because people don't receive merit in the next:

1) Poor english.

2) Very lazy and don't read useful information  and share with another users.

Thank you for reading Smiley


Here is my opinion about these two:

1) I agree that this happens but I am strictly against this. This forum has members from all over the world and thus the English of some members will be bad in comparison to native speakers. Still, if his content has information and value, we should appreciate it.

2) Lazy is also good sometimes as they will find some easy ways to get merits (not merit abuse).

But in local board less people. English is a international language and main for many people.
There are a lot of people in local boards and Merit doesn't belong only to main (English) boards, people activly exchange it in local boards, but here the main term is the same - the post should to have sense, be on topic and be interesting.
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June 22, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
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I read those whole post. I'm pretty sure if I or someone like me applied to become Merit source he would not accept me.
Like TheQuin already wrote, it's likely that in the present, you would not be accepted as you seem to lack experience. What I meant is that it is generally open to everybody - the path towards achieving the rank of a merit source being simple: contribute to the forum, read & educate yourself about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, and then after a year or so you can apply. You already have some activity, so for you it may not be too far away (I haven't checked your post history, however).

All forums and online communities have to do some "selection" for positions that require a bit of trust. And merit sources require trust as they could abuse their power (e.g. sell merits, or merit only topics from friends etc.).

And if you see merit sources abusing their "power", then you can detect it and start a thread about that. All information about merit transfers (at least of the last months) is public.

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June 22, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
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hey why do i not get added any activity Posts (you can see my last Posts were 14 days ago) so i should be able to get new activity every 14 days Right ?

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June 22, 2018, 06:07:35 PM
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hey why do i not get added any activity Posts (you can see my last Posts were 14 days ago) so i should be able to get new activity every 14 days Right ?

Hello ! Nope, activity periods are fixed and weren't calculated from the time you joined the forums
You can find when your activity will increase here (periods intervals) : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12saLhlUoqIdairxzuSPu6EYGrt7FN2lOstO1yDjCEbA/htmlview?pli=1

 
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June 23, 2018, 02:11:49 AM
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Thanks
i couldt Turkish do you have?

You are typical shitposter. If you can't try to post good things then just read.
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June 23, 2018, 04:48:31 AM
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I actually would like an even stricter Merit system: a system were you need to continuously earn merits to be and stay a certain rank. A system where you are never done earning, because only your last 3-6 months are counted. This would remove a lot of paid spam.
In the past I supported similar ideas, but now I am against them again - the problem is that you always punish honest people with such a system, mostly members who wear signatures which are un-paid, and visit this forum not so frequently. Like most of the Core developers, for example ...

The goal of "decaying merits" is obviously to rank-down accounts which achieved a high rank automatically by spamming (via Activity) before the merit system was introduced. That goal can be achieved also by other, less drastic means. As people told me, what is currently being done is that the worst spammers/farmers are (slowly) being banned. So in a couple of months we can expect that only few "farmed Legendaries/Heroes" will be left.

I am currently beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel - the usually megathread-dominated "Bitcoin Discussion" subforum seemed, today, a bit more interesting that it used to be in the last months. At least a handful of serious threads at the first page. Maybe it's beginning to work Smiley

My problem with the current merit system is simple: I was a Hero member, my account was hacked and I had to start all over again since I could not get any help with recovering my account. A week or so away from becoming Hero again and they kick in the Merit system and now I'll most likely never get back to Hero. Just my 2 cents...


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June 23, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
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My problem with the current merit system is simple: I was a Hero member, my account was hacked and I had to start all over again since I could not get any help with recovering my account.
'Start over again', what does it mean?
Can you explain a bit more about your case?
After the hack, your account's postcounts dropped and you had to collect activities again, or you actually lost the Hero-ranked account forever and had to start from zero with a Newbie account/
Which one is your case?




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June 23, 2018, 11:20:34 AM
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Thanks
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The link to the Turkish local forum is as follows.  In the main board posts should be written in English.

Türkçe (Turkish)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=133.0
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June 24, 2018, 02:09:48 AM
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Hello ! Nope, activity periods are fixed and weren't calculated from the time you joined the forums
You can find when your activity will increase here (periods intervals) : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12saLhlUoqIdairxzuSPu6EYGrt7FN2lOstO1yDjCEbA/htmlview?pli=1
hi Invoking,
Thank you for link to doc file, but I don't understand what it means.
I am curious and would like to know more about it.
Could you give me more links or explanations for me to find out more about it, please.
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June 24, 2018, 04:17:34 AM
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hi Invoking,
Thank you for link to doc file, but I don't understand what it means.
I am curious and would like to know more about it.
Could you give me more links or explanations for me to find out more about it, please.
This sheet is showing when the next activity will be calculated for example
Last activity was calculated on 19 Jun 2018
Next activity will be calculated on 3 Jul 2018
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June 24, 2018, 07:04:02 AM
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This sheet is showing when the next activity will be calculated for example
Last activity was calculated on 19 Jun 2018
Next activity will be calculated on 3 Jul 2018

Does it mean all forum members will be counted their activities at the same point of time as the attached image shown.
And the checkpoint will not depend upon their register timepoint.
Do I get your ideas right?

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June 24, 2018, 07:08:57 AM
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Does it mean all forum members will be counted their activities at the same point of time as the attached image shown.
And the checkpoint will not depend upon their register timepoint.
Do I get your ideas right?

Activity is calculated every hour. Those are the activity periods. It is not possible to increase your activity by more than 14 in any activity period. So if your post count is more than 14 greater than your activity when you first post in the next activity period your activity will increase by 14 on the next hourly update.

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June 24, 2018, 03:14:22 PM
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Does it mean all forum members will be counted their activities at the same point of time as the attached image shown.
And the checkpoint will not depend upon their register timepoint.
Do I get your ideas right?

Activity is calculated every hour. Those are the activity periods. It is not possible to increase your activity by more than 14 in any activity period. So if your post count is more than 14 greater than your activity when you first post in the next activity period your activity will increase by 14 on the next hourly update.
does activity useful for merits? i dont care about my activity anymore since it doesnt affect my merits.
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June 24, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
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does activity useful for merits? i dont care about my activity anymore since it doesnt affect my merits.

No activity is not useful for Merits but the old requirement for activity is still in place. Merit is an additional requirement to activity, not a replacement.

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June 24, 2018, 07:48:03 PM
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Don't worry a very too much about merit guys , he will not break your life.
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