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its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through  looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon  Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you I'm confused as to why you think we didn't ask for our money. Many of us did and were ignored. Because you lost them already. Because what you are about to get eventually will be crap. Because you have dignity. Because 1000 other reasons But this are your money so it is your decision only! I'm thinking there is something lost in translation here. So I'll say again, we did ask for our money. It was not given to us. We can not go up to them at gunpoint and ask for a refund. They denied the refund, so many people filed complaints with the federal agencies in order to get said money back. But that doesn't make the money magically appear in our wallets or bank accounts. Only the company can choose to refund us. And the choice they made was to ignore the laws that require them to give full and prompt refunds. They instead continued to stall and then shipped hardware. None of which was in our control as they had already decided to not refund us. If that has changed I'll gladly turn right around and ship that miner (kit) back in exchange for a full refund. ( even shipping at my own expense) Because I can then take that money and purchase more hashing power elsewhere. Almost 2TH instantly on pb mining. But the fact of the matter is they aren't issuing refunds to those who want them. |
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its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you I'm confused as to why you think we didn't ask for our money. Many of us did and were ignored. Because you lost them already. Because what you are about to get eventually will be crap. Because you have dignity. Because 1000 other reasons But this are your money so it is your decision only! I'm thinking there is something lost in translation here. So I'll say again, we did ask for our money. It was not given to us. We can not go up to them at gunpoint and ask for a refund. They denied the refund, so many people filed complaints with the federal agencies in order to get said money back. But that doesn't make the money magically appear in our wallets or bank accounts. Only the company can choose to refund us. And the choice they made was to ignore the laws that require them to give full and prompt refunds. They instead continued to stall and then shipped hardware. None of which was in our control as they had already decided to not refund us. If that has changed I'll gladly turn right around and ship that miner (kit) back in exchange for a full refund. ( even shipping at my own expense) Because I can then take that money and purchase more hashing power elsewhere. Almost 2TH instantly on pb mining. But the fact of the matter is they aren't issuing refunds to those who want them. agreed, also it would cost me far too much to take legal action against them as im in the uk and laws here slightly different. it was easier for me to get the kit and deal with it. at the end of the day i paid out of trading profit anyway so if it was "lost" it was no big deal to me. nothing came out of my personal pocket and im happy with what i got tbh |
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its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you i ordered the 520gh model but ended up getting the kit so as i dont get a psu they gave me an extra board, putting me to 700-750ghs turbo (so they say) the extra hash was for delays. so at least im one of the few that got some sort of compensation or mpp. my greif was never with the delays it was purely with the lack of communication. i placed my order on 30th January so i haven't waited half as long as others have with orders below me My grief is the same. No communication. Which also breeds uncertainty. If I got answers via email since they have stated they wont address orders on this forum, I would be much more at ease. So far this is the only vendor I have dealt with that has not returned my communications on ETA when requested. I explicitly consented to a 2-3 day delay which was what the DIY kits where were supposed to be. But that is clearly not the case here. going on the second week of delay from the DIY kit. Since I am getting no replies via email or phone, I figure it will be better to just publicly air this until I get a reply. Like I said. I want a firm commitment from you guys on WHEN I can expect the kits. I am already compromising as it is by getting a DIY kit. The least AMT can do is address me directly with some kind of HONEST update as to when I can expect my hardware. I will keep ranting about this until I get an answer from them. Figure spamming this thread is the only way to get their attention it seems. |
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its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you I'm confused as to why you think we didn't ask for our money. Many of us did and were ignored. Because you lost them already. Because what you are about to get eventually will be crap. Because you have dignity. Because 1000 other reasons But this are your money so it is your decision only! I'm thinking there is something lost in translation here. So I'll say again, we did ask for our money. It was not given to us. We can not go up to them at gunpoint and ask for a refund. They denied the refund, so many people filed complaints with the federal agencies in order to get said money back. But that doesn't make the money magically appear in our wallets or bank accounts. Only the company can choose to refund us. And the choice they made was to ignore the laws that require them to give full and prompt refunds. They instead continued to stall and then shipped hardware. None of which was in our control as they had already decided to not refund us. If that has changed I'll gladly turn right around and ship that miner (kit) back in exchange for a full refund. ( even shipping at my own expense) Because I can then take that money and purchase more hashing power elsewhere. Almost 2TH instantly on pb mining. But the fact of the matter is they aren't issuing refunds to those who want them. So nothing is lost in translation. Do you have dignity? Do you feel like a begging for refund? I guess not, right? What can you do? Wait just a little bit longer when miner will not pay for electricity just because AMT is refusing to refund you? Or take some urgent actions against AMT? Yes it will be hard and probably it will not change your position at all and bring your money back, but it will change the situation for the feature. And eventually Josh can go to jail in some point because that is what he deserves! You have nothing to loose. It is your choice weather you will continue to act like victims or not! |
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April 09, 2014, 01:45:24 PM |
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its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you I'm confused as to why you think we didn't ask for our money. Many of us did and were ignored. Because you lost them already. Because what you are about to get eventually will be crap. Because you have dignity. Because 1000 other reasons But this are your money so it is your decision only! I'm thinking there is something lost in translation here. So I'll say again, we did ask for our money. It was not given to us. We can not go up to them at gunpoint and ask for a refund. They denied the refund, so many people filed complaints with the federal agencies in order to get said money back. But that doesn't make the money magically appear in our wallets or bank accounts. Only the company can choose to refund us. And the choice they made was to ignore the laws that require them to give full and prompt refunds. They instead continued to stall and then shipped hardware. None of which was in our control as they had already decided to not refund us. If that has changed I'll gladly turn right around and ship that miner (kit) back in exchange for a full refund. ( even shipping at my own expense) Because I can then take that money and purchase more hashing power elsewhere. Almost 2TH instantly on pb mining. But the fact of the matter is they aren't issuing refunds to those who want them. So nothing is lost in translation. Do you have dignity? Do you feel like a begging for refund? I guess not, right? What can you do? Wait just a little bit longer when miner will not pay for electricity just because AMT is refusing to refund you? Or take some urgent actions against AMT? Yes it will be hard and probably it will not change your position at all and bring your money back, but it will change the situation for the feature. And eventually Josh can go to jail in some point because that is what he deserves! if your waiting on your miner not paying the electric your waiting a long time. roughly speaking the 1.2 t uses 10% btc made daily on electricity and thats at this bismal price. if it was around the $5-600 mark again then it would be using only 3-4% btc made a day in electric. hard to guess but the machine will stop making elwctricity costs in about 5 Years if btc dif changes as it has. but by then the dif will hopefully have dropped due to ship jumpers and youll still make money. |
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April 09, 2014, 01:48:08 PM |
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THINK Guys
Just a week or two delay is bringing you to 0 almost
However AMT will do whatever it takes to add just a little more delays for you be sure about it
Hey Iosha, How are you helping with these comments? Seriously, some people are happy receiving their miner, some are still waiting, some are waiting for their REFUND. That's it. miners will take years to run at 0% return unless electric cost booms |
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April 09, 2014, 02:01:15 PM |
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Not crap dude Difficulty is raising in 25% jumps constantly What it means that you are fucked unfortunately I will not argue with you ... And you have just three months before this miner will not pay for electricity at current BTC/USD exchange rate PERIOD! And it is most likley that there will be at least a month delay so you are gona make 400 USD top |
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April 09, 2014, 02:04:59 PM |
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Not crap dude Difficulty is raising in 25% jumps constantly What it means that you are fucked unfortunately I will not argue with you ... as btc dif rises so may its price but you have a minimal 1% swing when were currently at a 45% deflated price from last month.... we will let you know when we stop being able to pay electricity for the miner |
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April 09, 2014, 02:10:02 PM |
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Not crap dude Difficulty is raising in 25% jumps constantly What it means that you are fucked unfortunately I will not argue with you ... And you have just three months before this miner will not pay for electricity at current BTC/USD exchange rate PERIOD! And it is most likley that there will be at least a month delay so you are gona make 400 USD top so you are telling me that in 3 month the 1.2th miner will not make £5.67 ($9.38) in electric costs per day working on our most expensive electric tariff lol EDIT: and where are you getting the month delay from? my miner will be here on friday |
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April 09, 2014, 02:13:22 PM |
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Not crap dude Difficulty is raising in 25% jumps constantly What it means that you are fucked unfortunately I will not argue with you ... And you have just three months before this miner will not pay for electricity at current BTC/USD exchange rate PERIOD! And it is most likley that there will be at least a month delay so you are gona make 400 USD top so you are telling me that in 3 month the 1.2th miner will not make £5.67 ($9.38) in electric costs per day working on our most expensive electric tariff lol Not me dude. Numbers are telling it. big pie is next month 500 usd which are going to AMT pocket. The rest is for you decreasing every diff adjustment with 20-25% percent. Friday nice I missed that. Pray to good that it will work that is all i can say As you see if you loose next two weeks of mining because your miner needs constant reboots or hanging or whatever technical issue might be you know... |
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Not crap dude Difficulty is raising in 25% jumps constantly What it means that you are fucked unfortunately I will not argue with you ... And you have just three months before this miner will not pay for electricity at current BTC/USD exchange rate PERIOD! And it is most likley that there will be at least a month delay so you are gona make 400 USD top so you are telling me that in 3 month the 1.2th miner will not make £5.67 ($9.38) in electric costs per day working on our most expensive electric tariff lol Not me dude. Numbers are telling it. big pie is next month 500 usd which are going to AMT pocket. The rest is for you decreasing every diff adjustment with 20-25% percent. ok so lets say it gets to point where electric cant be met. people will stop mining it so diff will go down or btc will die then we all move over to NXT coin lol either way if ur numbers are right then we all fucked so u can pass ur worthless btc to me  haha lmao i only want btc to buy nxt with anyway as btc will die and NXT will supersede bitcoin. bitcoin is like a classic car perfect for storing in a garage but no good for practical day to day uses |
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April 09, 2014, 02:22:08 PM |
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Or take some urgent actions against AMT?
Yes it will be hard and probably it will not change your position at all and bring your money back, but it will change the situation for the feature.
And eventually Josh can go to jail in some point because that is what he deserves!
You have nothing to loose. It is your choice weather you will continue to act like victims or not!
Urgent actions such as? It would literally cost me more to retain a lawyer and bring a suit against AMT. That would be to get my funds back maybe a year from now. If they paid the collection agency I'd likely have to retain to get the money from them. Then of course the they will take their cut.
Depending on how I reinvest my bitcoins towards more power for mining, plus the anticipated increase in the price of bitcoin there is a very good chance I will make my investment back, if not profit. Especially because I've confirmed with FedEx that my miner has already shipped and will be here today or tomorrow.
I ordered when the website said my miner would ship by the 31st of March so my miner is about 10 days late, or roughly one increase in difficulty. Does it suck yes. But unlike people who ordered for BFL I'll have my miner thursday.
The only other better situation I could be in would be if I ordered from cointerra when I first had my money and that would have been an april delivery anyway, and they haven't even hit their stated hash rates or power consumption either.
I certainly didn't pick the winning horse, which would have been holding my money then buying bitcoin when it hit this low price, or the placing horse, cointerra just based on their getting product to market quicker, but with a 10 day delay I picked the showing horse.
I wouldn't call that victimization. At least not in my case, but there are a lot of other people who bought from AMT under different circumstances than myself and were strung along for months.
Also aside from the investing, monetarily, aspect of bitcoin I wanted to be part of the bigger bitcoin world. In that my hardware is helping to grow the network because I believe in the idea of a decentralized currency and what it can bring to the world.
Now to address the idea of Josh going to jail me suing him wouldn't cause him any jail time. Thats not how the US justice system works, I'm not able to bring him up on criminal charges only the government can. So when my refund request was ignored I followed the next logical step which was a complaint ic3 and FTC. Those are bodies that have the power to bring AMT up on criminal charges.
A quick nod back to civil legal action though and you'll see in the lawyer in clennel's case is trying to certify a class of those who ordered from AMT and 1. didn't receive their hardware, 2. Received hardware late (myself) or, 3. were denied refunds upon request ( I fall under this too).
So if the class is indeed certified I'm entitled to a portion of any of the money that the class may receive as a settlement or via the trial. So it's pointless for me to spend money on an independent suit.
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April 09, 2014, 02:27:41 PM |
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Or take some urgent actions against AMT?
Yes it will be hard and probably it will not change your position at all and bring your money back, but it will change the situation for the feature.
And eventually Josh can go to jail in some point because that is what he deserves!
You have nothing to loose. It is your choice weather you will continue to act like victims or not!
Urgent actions such as? It would literally cost me more to retain a lawyer and bring a suit against AMT. That would be to get my funds back maybe a year from now. If they paid the collection agency I'd likely have to retain to get the money from them. Then of course the they will take their cut.
Depending on how I reinvest my bitcoins towards more power for mining, plus the anticipated increase in the price of bitcoin there is a very good chance I will make my investment back, if not profit. Especially because I've confirmed with FedEx that my miner has already shipped and will be here today or tomorrow.
I ordered when the website said my miner would ship by the 31st of March so my miner is about 10 days late, or roughly one increase in difficulty. Does it suck yes. But unlike people who ordered for BFL I'll have my miner thursday.
The only other better situation I could be in would be if I ordered from cointerra when I first had my money and that would have been an april delivery anyway, and they haven't even hit their stated hash rates or power consumption either.
I certainly didn't pick the winning horse, which would have been holding my money then buying bitcoin when it hit this low price, or the placing horse, cointerra just based on their getting product to market quicker, but with a 10 day delay I picked the showing horse.
I wouldn't call that victimization. At least not in my case, but there are a lot of other people who bought from AMT under different circumstances than myself and were strung along for months.
Also aside from the investing, monetarily, aspect of bitcoin I wanted to be part of the bigger bitcoin world. In that my hardware is helping to grow the network because I believe in the idea of a decentralized currency and what it can bring to the world.
Now to address the idea of Josh going to jail me suing him wouldn't cause him any jail time. Thats not how the US justice system works, I'm not able to bring him up on criminal charges only the government can. So when my refund request was ignored I followed the next logical step which was a complaint ic3 and FTC. Those are bodies that have the power to bring AMT up on criminal charges.
A quick nod back to civil legal action though and you'll see in the lawyer in clennel's case is trying to certify a class of those who ordered from AMT and 1. didn't receive their hardware, 2. Received hardware late (myself) or, 3. were denied refunds upon request ( I fall under this too).
So if the class is indeed certified I'm entitled to a portion of any of the money that the class may receive as a settlement or via the trial. So it's pointless for me to spend money on an independent suit.
Sure dude. you are right. Every one is protecting his own interests..... Good luck And again pray to good that what you get will work. |
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April 09, 2014, 02:28:20 PM |
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The issue with the coin wars calculators is it doesn't adjust for difficulty. So you won't make that amount of BTC month after month.
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April 09, 2014, 02:33:00 PM |
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I won't be praying as I'm an atheist, but I've got my fingers and toes crossed that what I receive is in working order.
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April 09, 2014, 02:38:04 PM |
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Or take some urgent actions against AMT?
Yes it will be hard and probably it will not change your position at all and bring your money back, but it will change the situation for the feature.
And eventually Josh can go to jail in some point because that is what he deserves!
You have nothing to loose. It is your choice weather you will continue to act like victims or not!
Urgent actions such as? It would literally cost me more to retain a lawyer and bring a suit against AMT. That would be to get my funds back maybe a year from now. If they paid the collection agency I'd likely have to retain to get the money from them. Then of course the they will take their cut.
Depending on how I reinvest my bitcoins towards more power for mining, plus the anticipated increase in the price of bitcoin there is a very good chance I will make my investment back, if not profit. Especially because I've confirmed with FedEx that my miner has already shipped and will be here today or tomorrow.
I ordered when the website said my miner would ship by the 31st of March so my miner is about 10 days late, or roughly one increase in difficulty. Does it suck yes. But unlike people who ordered for BFL I'll have my miner thursday.
The only other better situation I could be in would be if I ordered from cointerra when I first had my money and that would have been an april delivery anyway, and they haven't even hit their stated hash rates or power consumption either.
I certainly didn't pick the winning horse, which would have been holding my money then buying bitcoin when it hit this low price, or the placing horse, cointerra just based on their getting product to market quicker, but with a 10 day delay I picked the showing horse.
I wouldn't call that victimization. At least not in my case, but there are a lot of other people who bought from AMT under different circumstances than myself and were strung along for months.
Also aside from the investing, monetarily, aspect of bitcoin I wanted to be part of the bigger bitcoin world. In that my hardware is helping to grow the network because I believe in the idea of a decentralized currency and what it can bring to the world.
Now to address the idea of Josh going to jail me suing him wouldn't cause him any jail time. Thats not how the US justice system works, I'm not able to bring him up on criminal charges only the government can. So when my refund request was ignored I followed the next logical step which was a complaint ic3 and FTC. Those are bodies that have the power to bring AMT up on criminal charges.
A quick nod back to civil legal action though and you'll see in the lawyer in clennel's case is trying to certify a class of those who ordered from AMT and 1. didn't receive their hardware, 2. Received hardware late (myself) or, 3. were denied refunds upon request ( I fall under this too).
So if the class is indeed certified I'm entitled to a portion of any of the money that the class may receive as a settlement or via the trial. So it's pointless for me to spend money on an independent suit.
+1 to this. I think loshia just has a hard on to see AMT fail. They appear to be turning a corner with most of their customers, (I still am getting the cold virtual shoulder). But IF they can turn a corner on this they could come out of this in a better position down the road. But its going to take ALOT of work on their part to really regain all the lost trust and bad blood they created in the community. I think they underestimated the bct community influence on their business. I imagine that has hurt them pretty bad. Like I have said before. Bad news travels MUCH faster than good news. That simple. Good news requires alot more work to make happen and alot more actionable items to take hold. |
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April 09, 2014, 02:39:01 PM |
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The issue with the coin wars calculators is it doesn't adjust for difficulty. So you won't make that amount of BTC month after month.
this is true, its something that cant be calculated accurate. but theres the price to consider. if it goes back to where it was a month back your raking it in. if it dies then you make no btc-usd so then its something else you need to figure out. prospect the btc into alts make money some other way. but remember that btc was a test, nxt was a test, both of which failed due to the usd greed. the idea of crypto was to get away from the usd need. |
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