ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[pakhitheboss]

Indian bowlers have always been very polite and calm-natured. Except for the recent era of course. To be honest they have seen other teams sledging and having a good result and I think they are trying that themselves but sometimes they can often cross the line. And the funny thing is the bowlers who actually cross the line are not actually that good at their job .

Even now there are bowlers who are calm and straight forward. I am talking about guys such as Ishant, Shami and Natarajan. And IMO, Ishant and Shami are the two best Indian pace bowlers at the moment. I would rate them ahead of Bumrah, in terms of variation and consistency. But then, the Indian team is a mix of old school guys and the new aggressive ones. I don't care, as long as the combination works well. But what bothers me is the undue influence guys such as Kohli are having on the team. If someone like Shami is made the captain, that will benefit the team in a big way.

I do not think for now Kohli can influence the selection of players as he is no longer the captain of the team. I do feel that Indian team as a whole unit is a mix of aggressive and calm individuals. Bhumrah is a completely different bowlers you cannot compare him with either Shami or Ishant. He has the ability to perform under pressure which most Indian bowlers are unable to. Ishant Sharma is a good bowler but has been affected by injuries and that is one of the reason why he is not so consistent in his performance. Shami and Bumrah combination has always proved to be deadly for the other team.

[Sithara007]

I do not think for now Kohli can influence the selection of players as he is no longer the captain of the team. I do feel that Indian team as a whole unit is a mix of aggressive and calm individuals. Bhumrah is a completely different bowlers you cannot compare him with either Shami or Ishant. He has the ability to perform under pressure which most Indian bowlers are unable to. Ishant Sharma is a good bowler but has been affected by injuries and that is one of the reason why he is not so consistent in his performance. Shami and Bumrah combination has always proved to be deadly for the other team.

Well.. I would disagree. IMO, Shami is more consistent when compared to Bumrah. He is more cool headed and performs better under pressure IMO. Bumrah is faster, but sometimes he loses control over the ball. And regarding Ishant, I agree that he is prone to injuries. Also, Ishant requires some assistance from the pitch and doesn't perform very well in flat tracks. A number of younger pacers are coming up, including Umran Malik, Avesh Khan and Mohsin Khan. It needs to be seen who will raise to international level and stay there consistently.

[rugrats]

Anyone remember Mohammad Hasnain? The young Pakistani fast bowler who is suspended from bowling in international cricket due to his illegal bowling action. After 3 months of hard work, Muhammad Hasnain has undergone test with his new bowling action and result of this test is expected in 2 weeks. Let's hope something positive come for this young man.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mohammad-hasnain-undergoes-official-bowling-test-to-revive-international-career-1316180

Don't think he is going to be as effective from the start but once he gets used to his new bowling action I am expecting good things from him. And I really believe that he had some really good potential and I hope that this certain problem does not take the potential away from him at all.

[S A KHAIR]

Indian bowlers have always been very polite and calm-natured. Except for the recent era of course. To be honest they have seen other teams sledging and having a good result and I think they are trying that themselves but sometimes they can often cross the line. And the funny thing is the bowlers who actually cross the line are not actually that good at their job .

Even now there are bowlers who are calm and straight forward. I am talking about guys such as Ishant, Shami and Natarajan. And IMO, Ishant and Shami are the two best Indian pace bowlers at the moment. I would rate them ahead of Bumrah, in terms of variation and consistency. But then, the Indian team is a mix of old school guys and the new aggressive ones. I don't care, as long as the combination works well. But what bothers me is the undue influence guys such as Kohli are having on the team. If someone like Shami is made the captain, that will benefit the team in a big way.

I do not think for now Kohli can influence the selection of players as he is no longer the captain of the team. I do feel that Indian team as a whole unit is a mix of aggressive and calm individuals. Bhumrah is a completely different bowlers you cannot compare him with either Shami or Ishant. He has the ability to perform under pressure which most Indian bowlers are unable to. Ishant Sharma is a good bowler but has been affected by injuries and that is one of the reason why he is not so consistent in his performance. Shami and Bumrah combination has always proved to be deadly for the other team.

Muhammad Shami is someone whom I have always liked because he has a very simple run-up and action and still he can move the ball both ways. And unlike most other bowlers he can move the ball off the pitch. Along with Bhumrah, these two can be really deadly for the opposition. And to be honest I have not seen these two act bad at all in the field. Maybe some exceptions can be made for Bhumrah but not in the case of Shami.

[kro55]

I do not think for now Kohli can influence the selection of players as he is no longer the captain of the team. I do feel that Indian team as a whole unit is a mix of aggressive and calm individuals. Bhumrah is a completely different bowlers you cannot compare him with either Shami or Ishant. He has the ability to perform under pressure which most Indian bowlers are unable to. Ishant Sharma is a good bowler but has been affected by injuries and that is one of the reason why he is not so consistent in his performance. Shami and Bumrah combination has always proved to be deadly for the other team.

Well.. I would disagree. IMO, Shami is more consistent when compared to Bumrah. He is more cool headed and performs better under pressure IMO. Bumrah is faster, but sometimes he loses control over the ball. And regarding Ishant, I agree that he is prone to injuries. Also, Ishant requires some assistance from the pitch and doesn't perform very well in flat tracks. A number of younger pacers are coming up, including Umran Malik, Avesh Khan and Mohsin Khan. It needs to be seen who will raise to international level and stay there consistently.

The problem with Bumrah is that once he starts getting hit for boundaries, it is really hard for him to get back into the aggressive rhythm that he generally likes. But for Muhammad Shami, I think the major problem is that he generally balls a little too short for my liking. He has to concentrate a lot on his length and I think he is good. I think it is really necessary to give time or I should say invest time into the future and really recognize which youngster face bowler is going to do well and all of the rising youngsters should be given enough chances.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Don't think he is going to be as effective from the start but once he gets used to his new bowling action I am expecting good things from him. And I really believe that he had some really good potential and I hope that this certain problem does not take the potential away from him at all.

First it will be interesting to see whether he is cleared with his new action or not. Till date I don't remember any success story of fast bowler that came with corrected bowling action. Hasnain has not played much international cricket so far only 8 ODIs and 18 T20I, he was quick with his old action let's see whether he maintained that quickness with new action.

[Sithara007]

The problem with Bumrah is that once he starts getting hit for boundaries, it is really hard for him to get back into the aggressive rhythm that he generally likes. But for Muhammad Shami, I think the major problem is that he generally balls a little too short for my liking. He has to concentrate a lot on his length and I think he is good. I think it is really necessary to give time or I should say invest time into the future and really recognize which youngster face bowler is going to do well and all of the rising youngsters should be given enough chances.

Agreed on Bumrah. Once he is under pressure, he loses his rhythm. That never happens with Shami, as he is more cool headed. And regarding short pitched deliveries from Shami, I guess he do that because he plays a lot of test matches. Such bowling style is not very suitable in limited overs cricket, but he hasn't done that bad in T20 and ODI. Anyway, I believe that the Indian selectors should look at the younger bowlers as a suitable replacement for Shami/Bumrah/Ishant in the long term. Enough chances were given to bowlers such as Siraj and they haven't performed up to the mark. Now it is time to give such chances to pacers such as Umran and Avesh.

[pakhitheboss]

I do not think for now Kohli can influence the selection of players as he is no longer the captain of the team. I do feel that Indian team as a whole unit is a mix of aggressive and calm individuals. Bhumrah is a completely different bowlers you cannot compare him with either Shami or Ishant. He has the ability to perform under pressure which most Indian bowlers are unable to. Ishant Sharma is a good bowler but has been affected by injuries and that is one of the reason why he is not so consistent in his performance. Shami and Bumrah combination has always proved to be deadly for the other team.

Well.. I would disagree. IMO, Shami is more consistent when compared to Bumrah. He is more cool headed and performs better under pressure IMO. Bumrah is faster, but sometimes he loses control over the ball. And regarding Ishant, I agree that he is prone to injuries. Also, Ishant requires some assistance from the pitch and doesn't perform very well in flat tracks. A number of younger pacers are coming up, including Umran Malik, Avesh Khan and Mohsin Khan. It needs to be seen who will raise to international level and stay there consistently.

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer. 

[Sithara007]

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer. 

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

[kro55]

The problem with Bumrah is that once he starts getting hit for boundaries, it is really hard for him to get back into the aggressive rhythm that he generally likes. But for Muhammad Shami, I think the major problem is that he generally balls a little too short for my liking. He has to concentrate a lot on his length and I think he is good. I think it is really necessary to give time or I should say invest time into the future and really recognize which youngster face bowler is going to do well and all of the rising youngsters should be given enough chances.

Agreed on Bumrah. Once he is under pressure, he loses his rhythm. That never happens with Shami, as he is more cool headed. And regarding short pitched deliveries from Shami, I guess he do that because he plays a lot of test matches. Such bowling style is not very suitable in limited overs cricket, but he hasn't done that bad in T20 and ODI. Anyway, I believe that the Indian selectors should look at the younger bowlers as a suitable replacement for Shami/Bumrah/Ishant in the long term. Enough chances were given to bowlers such as Siraj and they haven't performed up to the mark. Now it is time to give such chances to pacers such as Umran and Avesh.

Yes, I also believe that Indians should really look at their young prospects and nurtured them well because this current generation is not getting any younger. I think that Bumrah has some good years of service left for India but he alone is not going to be enough and he will also not be in good form always. I am not talking about the youngsters that have been given chances after chances and they still could not deliver, I am talking about the youngsters fresh out of the blocks.

[rugrats]

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer. 

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

[Sithara007]

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

In a politically charged country such as India, there is another danger of being dragged in to one of the ideological camps. Most of the Indians keep politics out of sports, but sometimes things get tricky. Recently one of the politicians from a pro-Muslim party demanded that Umran Malik should be included in the national team (that was before he was selected for the T20 squad).

https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1515667247762927621

I believe that these incidents do more harm to the prospects of this player rather than good. He will be stereotyped as representing just one community and obviously there will be polarization from the opposite camp. Why can't these stupid politicians stay away from cricket?

[pakhitheboss]

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer. 

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

Yes, fast bowlers are prone to injuries but there have been players bowlers who have made their mark in history during their short span career. I expect the same from this guy too and at the moment he is only 22 and can go without any major injuries for another 3 or 4 years. The most important aspect to stay injury free for a fast bowlers is good diet and fitness which I am sure he is knows well.

[Juggy777]

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer.  

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

I believe that he’ll secure his place under Dravid (Indian coach) mentoring, and if he continues to follow Dravid’s instructions then there’s a huge possibility that he’ll develop into one of the best bowlers we have seen till date. However he should be told to ignore the expectations and just focus on his natural game, because the weight of expectations can harm his game and lastly I hope that team India will carefully groom him and help him deal with this newfound stardom.

[romero121]

I believe that he’ll secure his place under Dravid (Indian coach) mentoring, and if he continues to follow Dravid’s instructions then there’s a huge possibility that he’ll develop into one of the best bowlers we have seen till date. However he should be told to ignore the expectations and just focus on his natural game, because the weight of expectations can harm his game and lastly I hope that team India will carefully groom him and help him deal with this newfound stardom.

There is fair chance for Umran Malik, Moshin Khan, Harshal Patel to get into the Indian squad. These players when given support to play international matches, surely will progress. Within the Indian team there'll be lots of politics, so that even if the players weren't performing good at the beginning they should be given consistent chances.

[Sithara007]

There is fair chance for Umran Malik, Moshin Khan, Harshal Patel to get into the Indian squad. These players when given support to play international matches, surely will progress. Within the Indian team there'll be lots of politics, so that even if the players weren't performing good at the beginning they should be given consistent chances.

I am not witnessing the India A team playing a lot of matches these days. It is better not to count on the Indian domestic cricket system, since the quality is not as good as what they have in England or Australia. So what we need is more matches from the India A or the India U-23 teams. But the BCCI doesn't have any interest in them. Why can't they organize a few tours from India A or the U-23 team to associate nations such as Nepal, Kenya, Namibia or Malaysia? It is going to be mutually beneficial. The younger Indian players, we all as the associate nations will benefit from such tours.

[CryptoBuds]

There is fair chance for Umran Malik, Moshin Khan, Harshal Patel to get into the Indian squad. These players when given support to play international matches, surely will progress. Within the Indian team there'll be lots of politics, so that even if the players weren't performing good at the beginning they should be given consistent chances.

I am not witnessing the India A team playing a lot of matches these days. It is better not to count on the Indian domestic cricket system, since the quality is not as good as what they have in England or Australia. So what we need is more matches from the India A or the India U-23 teams. But the BCCI doesn't have any interest in them. Why can't they organize a few tours from India A or the U-23 team to associate nations such as Nepal, Kenya, Namibia or Malaysia? It is going to be mutually beneficial. The younger Indian players, we all as the associate nations will benefit from such tours.

^ I think BCCi might have a say in that because we already know that this is the only cricket board that thinks they are some premium product that is obviously above everyone else.

So, I don't know if BCCI is going to let that happen. They will obviously look for their benefit otherwise they will not let the Indian team play against an associate nation. But, I think it could be a great option for them to play against the other team which places cricket regularly like Bangladesh or any other team.

[minairia3]

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

In a politically charged country such as India, there is another danger of being dragged in to one of the ideological camps. Most of the Indians keep politics out of sports, but sometimes things get tricky. Recently one of the politicians from a pro-Muslim party demanded that Umran Malik should be included in the national team (that was before he was selected for the T20 squad).

https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1515667247762927621

I believe that these incidents do more harm to the prospects of this player rather than good. He will be stereotyped as representing just one community and obviously there will be polarization from the opposite camp. Why can't these stupid politicians stay away from cricket?

I honestly believe that the politician was actually unbiased in terms of the political effect on the player. He actually tried to help the player's career but I also agree that in a country like India it obviously causes a lot more harm instead of good. Because that raises the question in other people's minds. And any player from any other religion can obviously say that if you follow the same religion as an important political figure you will have a better chance of playing for the national team. and that will eventually come back to bite the player.

[rugrats]

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

I believe that he’ll secure his place under Dravid (Indian coach) mentoring, and if he continues to follow Dravid’s instructions then there’s a huge possibility that he’ll develop into one of the best bowlers we have seen till date. However he should be told to ignore the expectations and just focus on his natural game, because the weight of expectations can harm his game and lastly I hope that team India will carefully groom him and help him deal with this newfound stardom.

The problem with any southeast Asian country is that they generally hype up a youngster too much. And at a point even though the youngster performs well it is believed that he is not performing at his level best and that obviously puts a lot more pressure on him. I hope that does not happen to him.

[Sithara007]

I honestly believe that the politician was actually unbiased in terms of the political effect on the player. He actually tried to help the player's career but I also agree that in a country like India it obviously causes a lot more harm instead of good. Because that raises the question in other people's minds. And any player from any other religion can obviously say that if you follow the same religion as an important political figure you will have a better chance of playing for the national team. and that will eventually come back to bite the player.

Right now Umran is an emerging player and he has a bright career ahead. Now what happens is that some of the politicians may jump in to fray, and take credit for his success (similar to what Tharoor has done). And when politicians get involved, people forget the sports aspect and think about the political aspect. Tharoor is a representative of a particular political party and when he jumps in for someone the other camp may oppose that individual. That won't be the case, if Sourav Ganguly or Sachin Tendulkar issues a statement to support Umran. And all that said, I still don't think that Tharoor's intention was good. When was the last time he put up a cricket-related tweet?