2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[harizen]

The Classic Benjie, he was really good during his prime, I heard his name but I was not able to follow his games.
Who do you think is the better, the Father Benjie or the son KOBE Paras? Maybe it's hard to compare them since Kobe was not in the PBA yet. 

Shell is one of the popular teams in PBA way back the 90's. I was able to watch some of their games (on TV) as my family is an enthusiast of PBA although Shell is not their favorite team. Ginebra and Purefoods is our family's favorite team back then but I'm not a fan of any team as I mostly admired the players itself.

Anyways, SMB Coach Leo Austria is also a part of the Shell roster.

Who's better between Benjie and Kobe? They have a different position that's why we can't compare it. But one thing I can say, Kobe Paras is more athletic compare to his father on his age, obviously, as a Small Forward. Benjie Paras on the other hand has a better basketball IQ and led Shell to the number of championships. He is also way more athletic compare to other centers on his time and has a great leaping ability. The talent that Kobe inherited alongside the height.

*Benjie Paras is playing the center position at the height of 6'6"
*Kobe Paras is playing the small forward position at the height of 6'6"

The reason they have different playing styles. But with continuous development, stats-wise, Kobe may able to surpass his father. But in achievements, he needs to be drafted in PBA.

[asu]

The Classic Benjie, he was really good during his prime, I heard his name but I was not able to follow his games.
Who do you think is the better, the Father Benjie or the son KOBE Paras? Maybe it's hard to compare them since Kobe was not in the PBA yet. 

Kobe Paras average at 16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.1 steals and 2.5 blocks per game playing his UAAP days at UP. While on the other hand. Benjie Paras better known as "Tower of Power" holds the title Rookie of the year and MVP in jist a single season.

Kobe don't need to achieve better than his father did, but on top of that he must breakthrough his father achievements for him to surpass his father.

[mirakal]

The reason they have different playing styles. But with continuous development, stats-wise, Kobe may able to surpass his father. But in achievements, he needs to be drafted in PBA.

May surpass.. it's not impossible but I think Kobe still has to prove himself in the PBA.
I am not watching him in UAAP but based on https://www.rappler.com/sports/university/uaap/243863-numbers-top-stat-getters-season-82.. he hasn't dominated in stats though he has a good stats, so if he can't dominate in the UAAP, he might be challenge more in the PBA.

[Finestream]

The reason they have different playing styles. But with continuous development, stats-wise, Kobe may able to surpass his father. But in achievements, he needs to be drafted in PBA.

May surpass.. it's not impossible but I think Kobe still has to prove himself in the PBA.
I am not watching him in UAAP but based on https://www.rappler.com/sports/university/uaap/243863-numbers-top-stat-getters-season-82.. he hasn't dominated in stats though he has a good stats, so if he can't dominate in the UAAP, he might be challenge more in the PBA.

You are right, he may surpass his Father's achievement in the PBA if he will work harder.

It would be a different level of competition in the PBA, it's alright if he will not be included in the top 3 draft pick as long as he gets in as he might still earn a good playing minutes since he is very athletic and he is popular. For him to grow, he needs to play in a weak team so he can earn more minutes, and if he  will can a big contribution to the team's improvement, then we might call it a start of his successful journey.

Also, I'd like to site this possibility since our very own Thirdy Ravena had signed with San-en Neophoenix in Japan league, it could be possible that they are already looking at some talented players and probably Kobe is one of the prospects.

[chaser15]

If only Kobe Paras goal on becoming a PBA player, he might also become a Rookie-MVP in his first year. But he dreamed of becoming an international player, specifically to be drafted in NBA that's why he trained at a young age in the US.

It's a hard decision. He can't just opt to sign a contract in PBA if he still wants to pursue his NBA dream. No years should be waste and as much as possible, he should always be there in the US playing for colleges or any leagues there.

[bisdak40]

If only Kobe Paras goal on becoming a PBA player, he might also become a Rookie-MVP in his first year. But he dreamed of becoming an international player, specifically to be drafted in NBA that's why he trained at a young age in the US.

It's a hard decision. He can't just opt to sign a contract in PBA if he still wants to pursue his NBA dream. No years should be waste and as much as possible, he should always be there in the US playing for colleges or any leagues there.

Kobe's dream of playing in the US/NBA is over, that is why he is back in the Philippines. Last time i've heard on his team in the NCAA, he hardly play and can't get that playing time. Surely he will be drafted in the PBA for sure as he is the son of Benjie Paras and they've got lot of connections. Becoming a Rookie-MVP is very far from reality, he can't even dominate in the UAAP, how much more in the PBA.

[mirakal]

If only Kobe Paras goal on becoming a PBA player, he might also become a Rookie-MVP in his first year. But he dreamed of becoming an international player, specifically to be drafted in NBA that's why he trained at a young age in the US.

It's a hard decision. He can't just opt to sign a contract in PBA if he still wants to pursue his NBA dream. No years should be waste and as much as possible, he should always be there in the US playing for colleges or any leagues there.

Kobe's dream of playing in the US/NBA is over, that is why he is back in the Philippines. Last time i've heard on his team in the NCAA, he hardly play and can't get that playing time. Surely he will be drafted in the PBA for sure as he is the son of Benjie Paras and they've got lot of connections. Becoming a Rookie-MVP is very far from reality, he can't even dominate in the UAAP, how much more in the PBA.

Even without connections, I think his stats would make him get drafted in the PBA.
He is not dominating in the UAAP but the hype is still real as people who watch PBA does not necessarily the UAAP, they'll think that this guy played in the US so it has a big potential to be successful in the PBA. Japeth also failed in the NBA, but he has a good career now in the PBA, he is improving as we can see, so hopefully Kobe would have the same success or even better.

[ultrloa]

according to what you shared;

ONLY three PBA coaches have won Coach of the Year awards successively. One was Perry Ronquillo in his successful journey with the Formula Shell Turbo Chargers at the approach of the millennium.

This guy is good but unfortunately I wasn't so interested with PBA that time, I was just a teenager so I'm more into watching movies and listening music, especially the OPM which was popular that time, I am a batang 90's , but I'm not a fan of PBA that time.

Yeah, I haven't seen any of their matches, but I've saw some of B. Paras gameplay and kinda makes me interested to dig some history here because of him(I just really liked this guy when he's on the court).

The Classic Benjie, he was really good during his prime, I heard his name but I was not able to follow his games.
Who do you think is the better, the Father Benjie or the son KOBE Paras? Maybe it's hard to compare them since Kobe was not in the PBA yet.  

This one is easy for me to tell who's better though i did not see Benjie Paras played live in the PBA . Per record, Benjie Paras is the only PBA players which hold the MPV and at the same time Rookie Of the Year award on the same year so he must be good. While Kobe Paras though for sure he will be in the PBA because of his name, won't be in the top 3 in the draft.

He's soft men and I see him get rattled for so many times although I find him good but I agree with you on this he will not placed on top 3 spot since there are so many other got a huge potential compare to him, But I'm sure he will improve in PBA since for sure the coaching staff that will get him scout him already since he has a experience on abroad and for sure they will study on what is lacking on him to improve his capabilities.

[Fredomago]

Even without connections, I think his stats would make him get drafted in the PBA.

He have the height and good skills to showcase to the teams that will look for his future, He still the Dunkin champ which can be trained and excel.

He is not dominating in the UAAP but the hype is still real as people who watch PBA does not necessarily the UAAP, they'll think that this guy played in the US so it has a big potential to be successful in the PBA.

He's not dominating but he already created and established he's own name, not just a son of a former Rookie - MVP but as a young talent who bring pride to our country.

Japeth also failed in the NBA, but he has a good career now in the PBA, he is improving as we can see, so hopefully Kobe would have the same success or even better.

That's a good example, Japeth failed and struggled when he first played but look at him now, He managed to build his identity and be one of those good players who represent our land internationally.

[mirakal]

Even without connections, I think his stats would make him get drafted in the PBA.

He have the height and good skills to showcase to the teams that will look for his future, He still the Dunkin champ which can be trained and excel.

Yes because he is athletic enough, and very mobile even with his height, not a typical for a Filipino player.

He is not dominating in the UAAP but the hype is still real as people who watch PBA does not necessarily the UAAP, they'll think that this guy played in the US so it has a big potential to be successful in the PBA.

He's not dominating but he already created and established he's own name, not just a son of a former Rookie - MVP but as a young talent who bring pride to our country.

I think he bring pride to our country when he played with the Gilas Pilipinas, not when he played in the US as he hasn't really achieved a lot, reason why he came back in the Philippines.

Japeth also failed in the NBA, but he has a good career now in the PBA, he is improving as we can see, so hopefully Kobe would have the same success or even better.

That's a good example, Japeth failed and struggled when he first played but look at him now, He managed to build his identity and be one of those good players who represent our land internationally.

I think the arrival of coach Tim Cone was really a big help for Japeth to unleash his real talent.
Before, he was more on a defensive player, blocking shots and dunking the ball, but now, he already has a decent outside shooting, so he is more unpredictable.

[Vaculin]

I think the arrival of coach Tim Cone was really a big help for Japeth to unleash his real talent.
Before, he was more on a defensive player, blocking shots and dunking the ball, but now, he already has a decent outside shooting, so he is more unpredictable.

That was really a big help not only for Japeth but the whole Ginebra team because they were struggling before Tim Cone handles this team, so we can say that he really is a great coach and he can also transform a player into a great player, but of course not everyone, those only who has hidden talent because Greg was still Greg even if he loses weight just to be faster but he wasn't effective as JMF, or not even close in overall stats.

[Russlenat]

Still remember Marcus Douthit our Naturalized Philippine player before Andray Blatche?

Here's his statement about coaching a Philippine Team.

Douthit believes a Filipino coach with foreign consultant ideal for Gilas

I just brought it up as he wants the same scenario with the TNT now, a consultant beside the head coach which is a Filipino.
Do you think this would help our coaches in the PBA to grow if they are just like a puppet and just for the sake of legality, but in reality it was really the consultant who are dictating.

[chaser15]

I think the arrival of coach Tim Cone was really a big help for Japeth to unleash his real talent.

Agree with you.

Tim Cone being a respected coach for long also plays an impact.

In my view, if Ginebra is being coached by either (no offense) Leo Austria, Norman Black, or even Chot Reyes, they won't extract what's more on Japeth and the others. Coach Tim yells at his players even how superstar they are, way louder and shouter compare to Coach Yeng, so Ginebra players are giving their best on the floor to avoid the wrath of Coach Tim.

[Fredomago]

I just brought it up as he wants the same scenario with the TNT now, a consultant beside the head coach which is a Filipino.

Covering the ass of the foreign coach just to settle the issue between legalities but in real sense of the job the filipino coach serves as a consultant without any real voice behind the foreign coach.

Do you think this would help our coaches in the PBA to grow if they are just like a puppet and just for the sake of legality, but in reality it was really the consultant who are dictating.

No is not, If the pinoy coach serves as puppet there's no future for him though knowledge  and skills can be learned while working with foreign mentors but  executions still under the management of the real coach who's holding all the playmaking strategy.

[Russlenat]

Do you think this would help our coaches in the PBA to grow if they are just like a puppet and just for the sake of legality, but in reality it was really the consultant who are dictating.

No is not, If the pinoy coach serves as puppet there's no future for him though knowledge  and skills can be learned while working with foreign mentors but  executions still under the management of the real coach who's holding all the playmaking strategy.

That's why I think the suggestion was not good for the development of Pinoy coaches, from the word "consultant" itself, it's job is just to give advise and answer if ask questions on how to develop the team, it's no coaching job like Dickel is doing with the TNT.


By the way, who's excited for  Gilas-Boomers rematch could come in 2021 during Fiba Asia Cup?

PLEASE NO BRAWL this time but just a physical game,.. I think I'm excited about this.

[bisdak40]

In my view, if Ginebra is being coached by either (no offense) Leo Austria, Norman Black, or even Chot Reyes, they won't extract what's more on Japeth and the others. Coach Tim yells at his players even how superstar they are, way louder and shouter compare to Coach Yeng, so Ginebra players are giving their best on the floor to avoid the wrath of Coach Tim.

I agree with you, it's not only Japeth that benefited the arrival of coach Tim Cone in GSM but the whole team because he brought along with him the system, the triangle offense. Joe DeVance, LA Tenorio and Japeth Aguilar are important piece of the system special that Ginebra have a very smart point guard (LA Tenorio). Talent-wise i could say that Ginebra team is not a talent laden team before Coach Tim arrive and yet he make this "kangkong" team into a contender in just a matter of a few conference.

I just could not imagine how things will look like if coach Tim is coaching the Beermen instead of Ginebra. More championships i think.

[Russlenat]

I just could not imagine how things will look like if coach Tim is coaching the Beermen instead of Ginebra. More championships i think.

Maybe because SMB's roster IMO are more talented compared to the Ginebra Kings, plus they have the MVP or the best player in the PBA for consecutive seasons, so that would be an easy job for Tim Cone. However, I think he is really destine for the Ginebra as this team has a big fan based but before he handles this team, there's a lot of haters as like you said, they are called KANGKONG everytime they lose or they failed in big stages on the competition.

[harizen]

I just could not imagine how things will look like if coach Tim is coaching the Beermen instead of Ginebra. More championships i think.

Yes, possible. Might be more GrandSlam achievement to Coach Tim.

Coach Tim can make numerous strategies and even experiments as he will be sure it can be followed properly as SMB, no doubt have the best-skilled role players compare to other teams. And as a respected coach, surely all SMB rosters will be intimidated to him resulting in much better performance on the court.

But good thing, that doesn't happen. I want to see a much competitive PBA even between sister companies.

[Fredomago]

I just could not imagine how things will look like if coach Tim is coaching the Beermen instead of Ginebra. More championships i think.

Yes, possible. Might be more GrandSlam achievement to Coach Tim.

Coach Tim can make numerous strategies and even experiments as he will be sure it can be followed properly as SMB, no doubt have the best-skilled role players compare to other teams. And as a respected coach, surely all SMB rosters will be intimidated to him resulting in much better performance on the court.

But good thing, that doesn't happen. I want to see a much competitive PBA even between sister companies.

I agree, with talents like SMB  team. The dominance from time to time will be there, Imagine how long alaska keeps coming back to the finals when the big three still playing. Hawkins,Lastimosa and Abbarientos they just shift teams to face in the finals. Tim Cone really got the chemistry to roll inside the team, he's like Phil Jackson who controlled players emotions.

I'm still positive that he might get another  GrandSlam but not sure if it will happen with his current team..hehehe.

[Finestream]

I just could not imagine how things will look like if coach Tim is coaching the Beermen instead of Ginebra. More championships i think.

Yes, possible. Might be more GrandSlam achievement to Coach Tim.

Coach Tim can make numerous strategies and even experiments as he will be sure it can be followed properly as SMB, no doubt have the best-skilled role players compare to other teams. And as a respected coach, surely all SMB rosters will be intimidated to him resulting in much better performance on the court.

But good thing, that doesn't happen. I want to see a much competitive PBA even between sister companies.

I agree, with talents like SMB  team. The dominance from time to time will be there, Imagine how long alaska keeps coming back to the finals when the big three still playing. Hawkins,Lastimosa and Abbarientos they just shift teams to face in the finals. Tim Cone really got the chemistry to roll inside the team, he's like Phil Jackson who controlled players emotions.

I'm still positive that he might get another  GrandSlam but not sure if it will happen with his current team..hehehe.

Ginebra is not the best team in the PBA, and less Greg, I don't think they can stop the SMB, if the rumored acquisition of C. Stand happened then maybe they can compete well with the SMB.

Tim Cone will remain as the best coach in the PBA, but I think I've seen enough what Ginebra can do, right now, it's safe to assume that it's SMB which are dominating the league and that would only change if Fajardo would retire of injury will hinder him from performing his usual way.