Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network

[mr.coinzy]

Turing completeness ? Turing no complete ?

sorry is not my mother language 

"turing completeness"="being turing complete"

ok, so
Turing complete                             (Ether)
and
Non Turing complete  ?                  (Tau)

Correct

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[mr.coinzy]

So what I was talking about some pages ago happened: Bitfinex fucked up for some hours and people was scared. This is why im not investing on any coin that doesn't let me store the coins myself locally to hold them myself. Trusting exchanges or other people to hold coins for you is nonsense and very risky... unfortunately I don't see a way to securely invest in Tauchain.

You don't have to keep your coins in an exchange, you can store your Agoras tokens by downloading and installing a wallet here: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx , or if you prefer, you can open an online wallet here: https://www.omniwallet.org/

[logan4444]

ohad..how can i save agrs in a wallet bitcoin core???...how restore later?...

I see that is the safest way to store the agrs tokens..

[ohad]

ohad..how can i save agrs in a wallet bitcoin core???...how restore later?...

I see that is the safest way to store the agrs tokens..

omni address is only a bitcoin address. you can send tokens to any bitcoin address, and they will just sit there until you want to send them out. to send them out, you need to import that bitcoin address' private key into an omni wallet. (notice all: if you dont know how to store the private key safely, dont use this method, as you'll lose access to your coins!)

so, just like bitcoin paper wallet, except the final step of importing the paper wallet back to hot wallet in case of wanting to use the tokens, that is needed to be done by a proper omni wallet.

[mr001]

You don't have to keep your coins in an exchange, you can store your Agoras tokens by downloading and installing a wallet here: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx , or if you prefer, you can open an online wallet here: https://www.omniwallet.org/

how to send the tokens to omniwallet? if i want to sell, can i send back the tokens to bittrex?

[Ivandf]

how to send the tokens to omniwallet? if i want to sell, can i send back the tokens to bittrex?
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You can import your wallet to omniwallet or create a new one. After that you can receive, hold and withdraw your coins 😉

[ICOcountdown.com]

ohad..how can i save agrs in a wallet bitcoin core???...how restore later?...

I see that is the safest way to store the agrs tokens..

omni address is only a bitcoin address. you can send tokens to any bitcoin address, and they will just sit there until you want to send them out. to send them out, you need to import that bitcoin address' private key into an omni wallet. (notice all: if you dont know how to store the private key safely, dont use this method, as you'll lose access to your coins!)

so, just like bitcoin paper wallet, except the final step of importing the paper wallet back to hot wallet in case of wanting to use the tokens, that is needed to be done by a proper omni wallet.

Go here and you can download the hard wallet: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

Get this: http://download.omnilayer.org/

This is omni core like bitcoin core.

Which cointains the best wallet imo if you want an offline or cold wallet.

[yang5034]

ohad..how can i save agrs in a wallet bitcoin core???...how restore later?...

I see that is the safest way to store the agrs tokens..

omni address is only a bitcoin address. you can send tokens to any bitcoin address, and they will just sit there until you want to send them out. to send them out, you need to import that bitcoin address' private key into an omni wallet. (notice all: if you dont know how to store the private key safely, dont use this method, as you'll lose access to your coins!)

so, just like bitcoin paper wallet, except the final step of importing the paper wallet back to hot wallet in case of wanting to use the tokens, that is needed to be done by a proper omni wallet.

for about one month ,no update on github,does this progect still on progress.

seems that the dev have't update the tauchain on github over one month ,does the project still on progress

Go here and you can download the hard wallet: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

Get this: http://download.omnilayer.org/

This is omni core like bitcoin core.

Which cointains the best wallet imo if you want an offline or cold wallet.

[yang5034]

I see that is the safest way to store the agrs tokens..
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omni address is only a bitcoin address. you can send tokens to any bitcoin address, and they will just sit there until you want to send them out. to send them out, you need to import that bitcoin address' private key into an omni wallet. (notice all: if you dont know how to store the private key safely, dont use this method, as you'll lose access to your coins!)

so, just like bitcoin paper wallet, except the final step of importing the paper wallet back to hot wallet in case of wanting to use the tokens, that is needed to be done by a proper omni wallet.
[/quote] for about one month ,no update on github,does this progect still on progress.

seems that the dev have't update the tauchain on github over one month ,does the project still on progress

Go here and you can download the hard wallet: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

Get this: http://download.omnilayer.org/

This is omni core like bitcoin core.

Which cointains the best wallet imo if you want an offline or cold wallet.


[/quote] for about one month ,no update on github,does this progect still on progress.

[ohad]

two popular posts by our friend Dana Edwards:

https://steemit.com/tauchain/@dana-edwards/a-discussion-and-description-of-how-tauchain-works-by-a-non-expert
https://steemit.com/tauchain/@dana-edwards/tauchain-advanced-concepts

[Pofick]

Not to be the one who always weeps but I lost all my hope that we ever would be able to see some practical results or implementation of Tau Chain.  

[Rw13enlib88]

Not to be the one who always weeps but I lost all my hope that we ever would be able to see some practical results or implementation of Tau Chain.  

please not that much arguments...


trying to fud so you buy cheaper? 

[revelacaogr]

Not to be the one who always weeps but I lost all my hope that we ever would be able to see some practical results or implementation of Tau Chain.  

if u make a good study in TauChain u will understand 1 thing:

or u r in (( all the way ))
or u r out (( all the way ))


a middle path dont exist!

[bitfish]

if u make a good study in TauChain u will understand 1 thing:

or u r in (( all the way ))
or u r out (( all the way ))

a middle path dont exist!

So true.

I think that's not true.
If you are watching projects, there is usually ample time entering a project during its development phase
While earliest adopters of a successful project are earning biggest percentage wise profits they are bearing biggest risk.
So you don't have to be in all the way. You have to enter a project when reward to risk relationship is at maximum.

Main risks for Tau-Chain currently are IMHO:
1) Tau-chain might never be ready
2) New competition emerging & being faster
3) No guarantee that Agora coins will be the dominating currency for Tau-Chain. Who can be sure that there aren't other market place apps on Tau-Chain which will be using other coins like BTC or ETH?

Since Ohad's Tau-Chain seems to be a great ground braking project, early investors might at least see their investment as support for Ohad realizing his vision.
BTW: I think Ohad should look for strategic advice how to secure commercial success of Agora coins.   

[maco144]

Shareholders with initial voting / powers of determination should start coming together to discuss the philosophy and ideas they'd like implemented so there is some preparation before launch.

http://www.esrad.org.uk/resources/vsmg_3/screen.php?page=0cybeyes

I've just read the modeling guide above and it gives some context for things that can be achieved. Perhaps others can share links they find resourceful.

[revelacaogr]

Tauchain Advanced Concepts

https://steemit.com/tauchain/@dana-edwards/tauchain-advanced-concepts


A discussion and description of how Tauchain works by a non-expert


https://steemit.com/tauchain/@dana-edwards/a-discussion-and-description-of-how-tauchain-works-by-a-non-expert

[maco144]

Main risks for Tau-Chain currently are IMHO:
1) Tau-chain might never be ready
2) New competition emerging & being faster
3) No guarantee that Agora coins will be the dominating currency for Tau-Chain. Who can be sure that there aren't other market place apps on Tau-Chain which will be using other coins like BTC or ETH?

Since Ohad's Tau-Chain seems to be a great ground braking project, early investors might at least see their investment as support for Ohad realizing his vision.
BTW: I think Ohad should look for strategic advice how to secure commercial success of Agora coins. 

Number 2 is out of our control. Number 1 seems improbable. Number 3 is only one we can work towards a solution to now. I agree it is a risk that can be addressed now.

[ohad]

to give two comments about the raised ideas:

1. regarding the commercial success of AGRS vs other coins (over tau or not), bear in mind that it's not only a currency, but offers features that no one offers, and even no competition to zennet came, even though full zennet's design docs were published two years ago. this all has to do with *intrinsic* value that other cryptocurrencies (including BTC) don't have. BTC's value is based, at the bottom line, on people's belief. just like fiat money without the gold basis, but without the ability to print new money. on the other hand, people all know how much hardware resources worth. it's a real tangible commodity, so AGRS couldn't possibly be worth less than the commodities they provide. of course similar arguments can be given to other markets we promised to have, the code-for-money and the self-incentivizing search engine.
2. about all AGRS holders to come up collaboratively to the best rules of the network (in both broad and narrow senses) -- that's why we first make a collaborative tech-and-society R&D platform, namely, Tau.

[llildur]

to give two comments about the raised ideas:

BTC's value is based, at the bottom line, on people's belief. just like fiat money without the gold basis, but without the ability to print new money

Hearing something like this coming from you is just dissapointing, the value issue is very relative, especially when someone try to explain it alluding to gold, what is the intrinsic value of gold anyway? belief? scarcity? tradition?  BTC provides a new gold standard for a digital era, allow the transfer of value over the net across the world without middle men or institutions without borders, that is the intrinsec value of BTC, is not based on belief is based on facts in cryptography and math and of course resources, your project is very interesting but bashing a true disruptive tech like BTC is not helping at you mostly because it is a key piece of TAU. 

[llildur]

Main risks for Tau-Chain currently are IMHO:
1) Tau-chain might never be ready
3) No guarantee that Agora coins will be the dominating currency for Tau-Chain. Who can be sure that there aren't other market place apps on Tau-Chain which will be using other coins like BTC or ETH?

Since Ohad's Tau-Chain seems to be a great ground braking project, early investors might at least see their investment as support for Ohad realizing his vision.
BTW: I think Ohad should look for strategic advice how to secure commercial success of Agora coins.   

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