Why I'm an atheist

[Gimpeline]

Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."   

I'm not English.
Who are we?

[BADecker]

Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."   

I'm not English.
Who are we?

Huh? You are coming to understand after all.   

[Gimpeline]

so can you reply to the question?

[BADecker]

so can you reply to the question?

We are children of God. Some of us are against Him. Some of us are in favor of Him.

[Gimpeline]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

[BADecker]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

[Gimpeline]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

No. None of us is the children of God. Some just believable it because their holly book says it.

[BADecker]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

No. None of us is the children of God. Some just believable it because their holly book says it.

No. There is more. Some of it is proof. But why go into that, since one has to first understand the proof that God exists. Then, after he knows that God exists, he can start to look at the proof that shows that the Bible was written at God's direction. Then he can find the proof in the Bible, and to some extent outside it, that shows that people are the children of God.

[qwik2learn]

I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.

How can you know the answer to the GoD question? Maybe there is some information that you missed. Only when you have seen the evidence of consciousness and what it indicates can you form an informed opinion.

Kurt Godel used logic to conclude these points:
There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.


Atheist dogma can only form invalid and circular replies to facts presented by consciousness researchers:
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-scientific-proof-of-existence-of-ghosts/answers/33828633/comment/30627732?__snid3__=764974911&__nsrc__=4

[Trading]

On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god.

The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people.

"8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance."

To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8.

This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP.

So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews.

The evolution is logic:

1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews.
2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh.
3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews.
4) There is no other god but Yahweh.

The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com

About Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

KJ21
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ASV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
AMP
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.
AMPC
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites.
BRG
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
CEB
When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
CJB
“When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population;
CEV
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them,
DARBY
When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
DRA
When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ERV
God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.
ESV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESVUK
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
EXB
God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel].
GNV
When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel.
GW
When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel.
GNT
The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,

Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8

[BADecker]

On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god.

The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people.

"8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance."

To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8.

This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP.

So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews.

The evolution is logic:

1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews.
2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh.
3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews.
4) There is no other god but Yahweh.

The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com

About Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

KJ21
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ASV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
AMP
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.
AMPC
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites.
BRG
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
CEB
When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
CJB
“When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population;
CEV
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them,
DARBY
When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
DRA
When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ERV
God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.
ESV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESVUK
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
EXB
God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel].
GNV
When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel.
GW
When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel.
GNT
The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,

Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8

The reason why you are not an atheists is, in all these things, you haven't proven that God does not exist. You haven't really done anything outside of talk about some complaints that you have with God, whether or not the complaints are justified. So, you essentially are saying that He DOES exist.

My standard evidence and proofs for the existence of God stand. Since you can't seem to rebut them, perhaps you should find a scientist or a lawyer who is used to rebutting things. You might have a chance that way, of proving you are not trying to set yourself up as god above God.

[qwik2learn]

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

I believe your strawman argument goes like this: Given that the Bible seems to be subject to change and contradictory, and Yahweh seems to be like a human, I conclude that all gods are human ideas.

I think that you will now allow me to bring up a great point!

The existence of beings of a different and higher kind is actually a fact; it is an open secret that Earth has been visited countless times by extraterrestrials, so it would not be surprising if Yahweh WAS one such being.

Do Aliens Exist? Nithyananda Answers the Fermi Paradox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PStF--KBRCE

Only a rhetorical analysis of ALL inspired writings will allow you to conclude that ALL the beings in question are each a "human creation".

[Moloch]

The existence of beings of a different and higher kind is actually a fact; it is an open secret that Earth has been visited countless times by extraterrestrials...

For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts

[stats]

On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god.

The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people.

"8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance."

To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8.

This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP.

So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews.

The evolution is logic:

1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews.
2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh.
3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews.
4) There is no other god but Yahweh.

The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com

About Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

KJ21
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ASV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
AMP
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.
AMPC
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites.
BRG
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
CEB
When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
CJB
“When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population;
CEV
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them,
DARBY
When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
DRA
When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ERV
God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.
ESV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESVUK
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
EXB
God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel].
GNV
When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel.
GW
When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel.
GNT
The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,

Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8

The reason why you are not an atheists is, in all these things, you haven't proven that God does not exist. You haven't really done anything outside of talk about some complaints that you have with God, whether or not the complaints are justified. So, you essentially are saying that He DOES exist.

My standard evidence and proofs for the existence of God stand. Since you can't seem to rebut them, perhaps you should find a scientist or a lawyer who is used to rebutting things. You might have a chance that way, of proving you are not trying to set yourself up as god above God.

To basically rebut your stances of a God like presence is simple......

If your God was the creator of all things, then who created God?

The answer to that is simple.... Man!

Man created God for power over fellow people.

[tuvok007]

Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.

[Barrymore]

Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.

Atheism cannot be a religion. By definition religion is belief in someone else. Atheists deny the existence of God just because there is no evidence that it is. Agnosticism is a lack of opinions. I think it's awful. Such people always become traitors.

[BADecker]

Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.

Atheism cannot be a religion. By definition religion is belief in someone else. Atheists deny the existence of God just because there is no evidence that it is. Agnosticism is a lack of opinions. I think it's awful. Such people always become traitors.

The evidence that God exists is this world and universe. Nothing that we or scientists can imagine could create the world and universe as they exist. Such things as big bang theory are extremely incomplete.

Long ago, science proved that God exists. Many of them didn't like the idea, so they ignored it and attempted to find ways to prove that God doesn't exist. The proof for the existence of God is found in the following links. It is science law and fact that shows that God exists. The links explain how the science works.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380

[qwik2learn]

For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts

Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been disproven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact.

[BADecker]

Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.

Atheism cannot be a religion. By definition religion is belief in someone else. Atheists deny the existence of God just because there is no evidence that it is. Agnosticism is a lack of opinions. I think it's awful. Such people always become traitors.

The evidence that God exists is this world and universe. Nothing that we or scientists can imagine could create the world and univrse as they exist.

Long ago, science proved that God exists. Many of them didn't like the idea, so they ignored it and attempted to find ways to prove that God doesn't exist. The proof for the existence of God is found in the following links. It is science law and fact that shows that God exists. The links explain how the science works.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380

Sure.  Take your meds buddy.

Hey, thanks for acknowledging that God exists, in part by not being able to step by step disprove the machine nature of the universe, and in part by not being able to show that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity are not facts of the universe.

[Trading]

On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god.

The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people.

"8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance."

To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8.

This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP.

So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews.

The evolution is logic:

1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews.
2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh.
3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews.
4) There is no other god but Yahweh.

The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com

About Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

KJ21
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ASV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
AMP
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.
AMPC
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites.
BRG
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
CEB
When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
CJB
“When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population;
CEV
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them,
DARBY
When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
DRA
When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ERV
God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.
ESV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESVUK
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
EXB
God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel].
GNV
When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel.
GW
When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel.
GNT
The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,

Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8

You are really gone, aren't you?  Wow, I'm surprised you can type.

I wonder if you realized that my post is an atheist one with some sarcasm about the "good book".