Why I'm an atheist

[Vod]

Btw, I remember we had this same discussion a couple years back, you posted some of your old replies and I read through them
That time my beliefs were a bit shaken if I remember it correctly
I was very young back then and I was having a lot of arguements at home for not believing

I've found he is too dense to accept anything that hasn't been pounded into his brain over thousands of sundays...

Best just to put him on ignore.

You could literally tell him it is snowing outside and unless his cult told him this, he won't believe you - even if you throw a snowball.

Luckily, his kind is dying.

[iluvbitcoins]

Btw, I remember we had this same discussion a couple years back, you posted some of your old replies and I read through them
That time my beliefs were a bit shaken if I remember it correctly
I was very young back then and I was having a lot of arguements at home for not believing

I've found he is too dense to accept anything that hasn't been pounded into his brain over thousands of sundays...

Best just to put him on ignore.

He is a too deep into it, and doesn't really listen to the other side.

But it's always good to hear other peoples opinions, even if I believe they have no relation to reality.
You never know what you might hear, even the most fanatical people can sometimes make good points.

[Vod]

You never know what you might hear, even the most fanatical people can sometimes make good points.

Really?  Can someone make a good point about the existence of Santa Claus?

[iluvbitcoins]

You never know what you might hear, even the most fanatical people can sometimes make good points.

Really?  Can someone make a good point about the existence of Santa Claus?

You never know man, you never know..
There's a 0.01% chance to hear a life-changing point, but if there's a 1000 things you're certain about, you never know.
10% is something not to throw away.

[Vod]

Really?  Can someone make a good point about the existence of Santa Claus?

You never know man, you never know..

Hmmm, if you ever get one, post it.  I'll find it interesting, as will millions of scientists. 

[Flying Hellfish]

Really?  Can someone make a good point about the existence of Santa Claus?

You never know man, you never know..

Hmmm, if you ever get one, post it.  I'll find it interesting, as will millions of scientists. 

lol I'm still laughing! I think it's safe to play the odds on the santa story, oh man LOL!  You guys are the best!

[Foxpup]

You never know what you might hear, even the most fanatical people can sometimes make good points.

Really?  Can someone make a good point about the existence of Santa Claus?

Well, a non-fanatic can. The historicity of Saint Nicholas of Myra is well established. Though fanatics tend to be a little confused regarding the particulars of their own cult, even going as far as to claim that Santa Claus isn't Christian, when in fact he is the only Christian element in what is otherwise a pagan tradition. There's no reasoning with these people.

[BADecker]

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What are you talking about? I just told you who real Atheists are.  People who know for sure that none of the Gods exist.

Not one of the 5000+ Gods in human history ever manifested itself.

You can say whatever you want, but the fact remains the same.  No God.  No evidence.  

Atheists are people who care about the truth.  

If you want to have a philosophical discussion about some undefined 'God concept', let's have it.  

Just don't tell me it is your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu (or any other human invented myth) God, because it is easy to prove that those 'Gods' were invented by the people for the people.  There is no question about them.  Just open these sacred texts and read for yourself.  All pure, 100% bullshit from the beginning to the end.

Define God, then we can talk about its existence.  If you start with "it is Jesus our Lord because the Bible says so", the conversation is over.

What are you talking about? I just showed you how there aren't any people who know that God doesn't exist. Because they haven't checked out the whole universe to see if God isn't on some other star or planet. So, there aren't any atheists. There are only atheist wanna-be's, right?

Please check out the rest of the universe to find God. If you don't find Him, then you might be an atheist. But if you find Him, please describe Him to us.

You don't have to look anywhere to prove that God described by people in the 'sacred' texts does not exist.  
It is right there in the 'sacred' texts. People describe what they want the God to be, misogynistic, masochistic killer.

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Do winged horses exist?  It is like asking "do you believe in aliens?".

I say with ~100% probability (based on direct observations) that God, winged horses and aliens do not exist.

If I see any of them in flesh, I will change my mind.  Until then it only makes sense to assume they do not exist.

Assuming that they exist is foolish, wishful thinking.  Good ideas for writing a novel or a movie script.

So yes, I am 0.0001% Agnostic and 0.9999% Atheist, if that is what you want to hear.

You know that your direct observations only cover a tiny fraction of a percent of the observations that could be made on the earth alone...

And you know that all possible earthly observations cover such a tiny fraction of the potential observations that could be made in the whole universe that such observations would not be noticeable in universe potential observations...

Yet you are stupid enough to attempt to believe that God doesn't exist...

Especially in the face of your own knowledge about observations and potential observations as I stated above?

If you have any faith at all that God doesn't exist, it is so tiny that it is essentially non-existent.

The thing you have in atheism is a political program that doesn't match the definition of atheism at all. Why doesn't it match the definition of atheism? Because you can't and don't believe in your own atheism, even though you profess to. You can't and don't for the reasons I stated above.

[Krsps]

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What are you talking about? I just told you who real Atheists are.  People who know for sure that none of the Gods exist.

Not one of the 5000+ Gods in human history ever manifested itself.

You can say whatever you want, but the fact remains the same.  No God.  No evidence.  

Atheists are people who care about the truth.  

If you want to have a philosophical discussion about some undefined 'God concept', let's have it.  

Just don't tell me it is your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu (or any other human invented myth) God, because it is easy to prove that those 'Gods' were invented by the people for the people.  There is no question about them.  Just open these sacred texts and read for yourself.  All pure, 100% bullshit from the beginning to the end.

Define God, then we can talk about its existence.  If you start with "it is Jesus our Lord because the Bible says so", the conversation is over.

What are you talking about? I just showed you how there aren't any people who know that God doesn't exist. Because they haven't checked out the whole universe to see if God isn't on some other star or planet. So, there aren't any atheists. There are only atheist wanna-be's, right?

Please check out the rest of the universe to find God. If you don't find Him, then you might be an atheist. But if you find Him, please describe Him to us.

You don't have to look anywhere to prove that God described by people in the 'sacred' texts does not exist.  
It is right there in the 'sacred' texts. People describe what they want the God to be, misogynistic, masochistic killer.

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Do winged horses exist?  It is like asking "do you believe in aliens?".

I say with ~100% probability (based on direct observations) that God, winged horses and aliens do not exist.

If I see any of them in flesh, I will change my mind.  Until then it only makes sense to assume they do not exist.

Assuming that they exist is foolish, wishful thinking.  Good ideas for writing a novel or a movie script.

So yes, I am 0.0001% Agnostic and 0.9999% Atheist, if that is what you want to hear.

" I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together..."

Look in the mirror. You are God. Your dog is Budha, your Roomba vacuum cleaner is a fledgling god,  as was Pinocchio. All these that have consciousness and those who strive to have more consciousness. Humans, Nature, and now computers and robots are developing consciousness.

[BADecker]

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What are you talking about? I just told you who real Atheists are.  People who know for sure that none of the Gods exist.

Not one of the 5000+ Gods in human history ever manifested itself.

You can say whatever you want, but the fact remains the same.  No God.  No evidence.  

Atheists are people who care about the truth.  

If you want to have a philosophical discussion about some undefined 'God concept', let's have it.  

Just don't tell me it is your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu (or any other human invented myth) God, because it is easy to prove that those 'Gods' were invented by the people for the people.  There is no question about them.  Just open these sacred texts and read for yourself.  All pure, 100% bullshit from the beginning to the end.

Define God, then we can talk about its existence.  If you start with "it is Jesus our Lord because the Bible says so", the conversation is over.

What are you talking about? I just showed you how there aren't any people who know that God doesn't exist. Because they haven't checked out the whole universe to see if God isn't on some other star or planet. So, there aren't any atheists. There are only atheist wanna-be's, right?

Please check out the rest of the universe to find God. If you don't find Him, then you might be an atheist. But if you find Him, please describe Him to us.

You don't have to look anywhere to prove that God described by people in the 'sacred' texts does not exist.  
It is right there in the 'sacred' texts. People describe what they want the God to be, misogynistic, masochistic killer.

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Do winged horses exist?  It is like asking "do you believe in aliens?".

I say with ~100% probability (based on direct observations) that God, winged horses and aliens do not exist.

If I see any of them in flesh, I will change my mind.  Until then it only makes sense to assume they do not exist.

Assuming that they exist is foolish, wishful thinking.  Good ideas for writing a novel or a movie script.

So yes, I am 0.0001% Agnostic and 0.9999% Atheist, if that is what you want to hear.

You know that your direct observations only cover a tiny fraction of a percent of the observations that could be made on the earth alone...

And you know that all possible earthly observations cover such a tiny fraction of the potential observations that could be made in the whole universe that such observations would not be noticeable in universe potential observations...

Yet you are stupid enough to attempt to believe that God doesn't exist...

Especially in the face of your own knowledge about observations and potential observations as I stated above?

If you have any faith at all that God doesn't exist, it is so tiny that it is essentially non-existent.

The thing you have in atheism is a political program that doesn't match the definition of atheism at all. Why doesn't it match the definition of atheism? Because you can't and don't believe in your own atheism, even though you profess to. You can't and don't for the reasons I stated above.

Why you think I am stupid?  Because I reject the Bible/Quran/Talmud that tells me to kill people or own slaves?  Is that why?

I'm open to examine ANY evidence of your God.  You think that I (and millions of people like me) would not follow up on it?

Give me ANY evidence, and I'll believe in your God, aliens or unicorns.

BTW, why you don't believe that aliens and unicorns exist but you do believe some undefined entity exists. 

Why?  Please don't say "because the Bible says so".

You talk like an agnostic, not an atheist.   

[iluvbitcoins]

You don't have to look anywhere to prove that God described by people in the 'sacred' texts does not exist.  
It is right there in the 'sacred' texts. People describe what they want the God to be, misogynistic, masochistic killer.

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Do winged horses exist?  It is like asking "do you believe in aliens?".

I say with ~100% probability (based on direct observations) that God, winged horses and aliens do not exist.

If I see any of them in flesh, I will change my mind.  Until then it only makes sense to assume they do not exist.

Assuming that they exist is foolish, wishful thinking.  Good ideas for writing a novel or a movie script.

So yes, I am 0.0001% Agnostic and 0.9999% Atheist, if that is what you want to hear.

You're wrong about aliens though

How likely is it that we're the only species in the entire universe?

*set at 2x speed, too slow*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i93Z7zljQ7I

[BADecker]

^^^ So, you have been indoctrinated into the religion of atheism, because all the atheists know in their hearts that God exists. Besides, science has proven the God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Trading]

Small update on the OP.

[fordharrison]

because inside you are an empty person. it is pretty poor to think that beside our planet, our mind there is nothing. nothing that maybe is much more powerful than we are, or otherwise smth that is weeker. all of us will one day come a a god or something like that. when there will be nobody except you and big fear, only god is whom you gonna speak to, trust me, you'll forget about atheism and etc.

[BADecker]

^^^ So, you have been indoctrinated into the religion of atheism, because all the atheists know in their hearts that God exists. Besides, science has proven the God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395

re: Machine-like nature of the universe.
That is your human perception. - My perception of a scientifically verifiable condition of the universe for everyone who wishes to examine it scientifically.  Nature is very unforgiving, cruel and hostile to life. - You don't have any joy or happiness at all? If you do, and if you are ever without pain, then there is lack of cruelty, naturally... even though this lack of cruelty might not be exclusive in your case.  Uncontrolled explosions, creation and annihilation of matter is hardly a machine-like nature. - All explosions are controlled by the machine-like physics laws of the universe. These laws never change. They might modify each other to some extent, but it is always according to their machine-like nature.

That statement is just your delusion and simple conjecture. - No. Your statements are delusional. Mine are backed by science.

re: Machines have makers. Cause and effect, action and reaction.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133

Again this is your human projection. - My projection backed up scientifically.   The physical laws and time were not created before the Big Bang. - Irrelevant, because we don't know that there was a BB.  It is nonsensical to talk about the instance before the Big Bang because our senses are framed in this universe. - Irrelevant, because we don't know that there was a BB.  It is simply impossible to imagine for most people the world with different physical laws. - Correct.  Maybe few theoretical Physicists with IQs above 200 can, but projecting the current physical laws to the instance before the Big Bang (which did not exist, BTW) is just a logical mistake. - Irrelevant, because we don't know that there was a BB.
 
re: The nations look for God.
Not really, opposite works quite well.  Secular governments, secular legal frameworks are more humane than any religious moral laws. - You are an example of a person who can't seem to find God. Because of this, you are setting yourself up as a god by proclaiming that God doesn't exist, when you know that you don't know that He doesn't exist.
We have abandoned most of the Bible's moral laws. - This is our failure.  We don't eat humans, we don't kill babies of our enemies, we introduced equality, abolished slavery, we don't do blood sacrifice to some imaginary beings etc. - This is where we are following biblical laws, often without realizing it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40

Earth is not a closed system, we receive energy from Sun, life on Earth is becoming more complex over time,  entropy does not increase on Earth, instead we observe emergence as a natural process. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16W7c0mb-rE - Earth exists within a closed system of which it is part. The universe is one. Entropy is recognized throughout the universe, both on earth, and in our observations of the stars. Nobody has found an active condition that doesn't have entropy within it. We speculate that there might be such, but we have never found one that we know of for a fact. Yet entropy is observable in countless trillions of active conditions all over the place.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

re: Newton's 3rd Law upholds cause and effect.
This law cannot be applied to the instance before the Big Bang because that "instance" did not exist, i.e. time did not exist and Physics as we understand it did not exist. - Irrelevant, because we don't know that there was a BB.

You are simply delusional.  You are looking for confirmations of your beliefs and making logical mistakes in the process. - You are limiting yourself by not appropriately applying science.

Instead, you should look at the world without any preconceived notions, let the objective evidence lead you to the truth.

The universe and earth both show the things that I talk about. You simply have a bunch of preconceived notions that you can make truthful statements based on possibilities that other people suggest, without knowing if these possibilities are realities or not.

[BADecker]

The only thing scientific you said is that entropy in the universe is increasing, but you are using it in the context of Earth, which is incorrect.

The rest of it is religious, subjective interpretations. Nothing to do with science.

BTW, you are confusing causality with Newton's 2nd law.

Anyway, your mind is made up.   No point to discuss anything with you.

You, notbatman and coincube are all the same.  Delusional.  You are ignoring basic science, you want to believe what you want to believe, you twist scientific definitions, principles, apply them incorrectly and then claim you have discovered something all other theoretical Physicists missed.
 
Like I said you are delusional.  Whether it is a dome over flat Earth, Christian, three entity God, or infinite entity outside of our universe, it makes no difference.  The ideas you guys present are ridiculous.  Simply a nonsense.

The only question remains what drives people to believe in nonsense?  Is is some sort of false validation that you seek?

Standard for you. You can't contradict anything that I said scientifically, so you lie about what I said and badmouth me.

[BADecker]

The only thing scientific you said is that entropy in the universe is increasing, but you are using it in the context of Earth, which is incorrect.

The rest of it is religious, subjective interpretations. Nothing to do with science.

BTW, you are confusing causality with Newton's 2nd law.

Anyway, your mind is made up.   No point to discuss anything with you.

You, notbatman and coincube are all the same.  Delusional.  You are ignoring basic science, you want to believe what you want to believe, you twist scientific definitions, principles, apply them incorrectly and then claim you have discovered something all other theoretical Physicists missed.
 
Like I said you are delusional.  Whether it is a dome over flat Earth, Christian, three entity God, or infinite entity outside of our universe, it makes no difference.  The ideas you guys present are ridiculous.  Simply a nonsense.

The only question remains what drives people to believe in nonsense?  Is is some sort of false validation that you seek?

Standard for you. You can't contradict anything that I said scientifically, so you lie about what I said and badmouth me.

I did, you just continue to ignore the reality.  Complexity increases here on Earth.  Evolution is marching on.  Entropy decreases due to energy from the Sun.  Emergence is a real, observable phenomena.

You are stuck in your world view.  You ignore the facts to protect your God concept.

Except for the fact that nobody has even one factual evolution example where they can say that this thing right here has converted from that other thing via evolution... not even one. All we see are changes due to adaptation, or billions of examples of like begets like.

The thing that marches on is evolution science fiction in the minds of retards.

Evolution is probably the greatest example of people believing that something is scientific, but doing so in a completely non-scientific way. Big bang is another. Black hole theory is another. And to your credit, flat earth theory is another.

[yesuidanggan]

Atheism is also a belief, no less than any other. Freedom of belief is not only the freedom to believe in what is taught, but also the freedom not to believe in it.

I prefer atheism to theism because many theists would make atheism unfree.

[Trading]

The truth is a proposition based on factual evidence.
Therefore, anyone searching for the truth has first of all ask himself: what reasonable amount of evidence would be required to make me change my mind.
The problem with many believers is that they are not on a quest to discover truth, rather their goal is much simpler: keep believing no matter what kind of evidence is shown to them.

[ConquerGold]

The truth is a proposition based on factual evidence.
Therefore, anyone searching for the truth has first of all ask himself: what reasonable amount of evidence would be required to make me change my mind.
The problem with many believers is that they are not on a quest to discover truth, rather their goal is much simpler: keep believing no matter what kind of evidence is shown to them.

Are you a theosophist??? How do you know that you know? How do you know that you know the truth? Well, believers would way it's faith, no need to argue though I'm curious about the evidence.