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October 12, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
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Will that take some heat off the PSU to cool it down some?

Find out. Many (though mostly older) PSU's need a minimum load on the 5v or they dont regulate properly. This can cause severe issues, like high fluctuations on the 12V.
Just connect a cdrom drive, light bulb, hdd or whatever to put a minimum load on the 5V and see if it makes a difference. If it doesnt help, its not going to hurt either.

Steady the 3.3v Rail

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-EPS-ATX-24-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/251029042274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a727f3462


what do you all think is this iittle add a 3.3v load device on  the power on your knc miner power supply really gonna help any?

or is it smoke/mirrors..?

need to get one anyway if this seems better then making my own ...what the heck I can spring 9 bucks for 2 of them

(alas I know zip about this just trying to cover my butt in that they sent me 11k of stuff with no SWITCHES.....jeez...I must be outta my frigging mind btc/asic endeavors!)


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It won't do anything.

A little about how a power supply works.   It has to rectify AC power into DC power and it also has to step down the voltage to a level used by computers.  Namely that is 12V, 5V & 3.3V.  

At one time power supplies did rectification and step down to all three voltages

So if you will excuse my horrible ASCII art


120/240VAC --------[AC to 12VDC conversion] ----->  12VDC out
                           |
                           |--[AC to 5VDC conversion] ------>  5VDC out
                           |
                           |--[AC to 3.3VDC conversion] ---> 3.3VDC out

This worked fine when load on all three rails was relatively balanced but efficiency is generally low and when the rails are out of balance efficiency suffers even more.


Two things occurs in roughly that last decade.  The first is that 3.3VDC and 5VDC isn't really used for any significant load.  At one time they were used to directly power CPU, memory, motherboard logic, etc.  However the operating voltage of modern components (including ASICS) is <1 VDC.  The power requirement for a motherboard also increased significantly.   A high end CPU, memory, and motherboard can pull 200W+.  On multi-CPU servers with large banks of memory this can be 500W or more.  500W @ 5VDC = 100A.  You would need a cable the size that connects to your car battery to handle that safely.    So motherboards contain their own DC to DC regulators.   The powersupply pumps in 12VDC the motherboard converts it to whatever it needs.  

The second was the "80Plus" program and it became a big marketing campaign.   People began buying more efficient PSU and it became increasingly hard to design a PSU that
could deliver massive current on the 12V rail, operate with minimal or no load on 3.3V, and still remain very efficient.

Today almost all high end (500W+) PSU use a concept call direct DC conversion.   Since the majority of the load is on the 12V rail ALL the power is converted to 12VDC.  Then the small 3.3V and 5V loads are converted off the 12V rail.

120/240VAC ----->  [AC to 12VDC conversion] ------->  12VDC out
                                   |
                                   |-----[12VDC to 5VDC conversion] -------> 5VDC out
                                   |
                                   | ----[12VDC to 3.3VDC conversion] ------> 3.3VDC out

putting an extra load on 3.3VDC rail does nothing.  Absolutely nothing.
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Yep. Absolutely everything works seamlessly now that the config file is correct.
I'm even back to peaking at over 300 on .095 firmware.
It fixed everything.


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if anyone is interested in a detailed account of dealing with 4 VRM boards pre-.95 I posted it here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306969.msg3325981#msg3325981

For anyone that has been running overclocked 4 VRM boards (since that was the only firmware we had to choose from) then you might want to really think before switching to .95

If you have a new miner without a lot of HW errors (cores turning off) you may be fine with .95 but just know you are stuck with a substandard miner compared to one with 8 VRMs

overclocking?.... how are you doing that?

4 VRM boards with pre-.95 firmware FORCED us to overclock by running high voltage/amps from our VRMs.  The reason I was able to get to 520Gh stable on my miner with .93 was that the overclocking compensated for the HW errors and that .93 restarts often if you miner starts to drop performance.

You can notice overclocking by the WU value you have compared to the number of cores you have running.  When you run .95 on a 4 VRM miner you will see a big decrease in WU

Since I am stuck with running .94 I will try putting a cgminer restart in the cron for every 30mins or hour to keep performance up
Hey If you can make that work please post how you added that to cron. crontab -e is not working
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so if anyone has saved settings from cgminer, and just hit enter for the default config file... and experienced a gui glitch afterwards... this is the fix: after all the settings in cg are as you want them...when you save by hitting "S"for settings, then "W" for (write config file)in CGMiner don't hit "Enter", instead, type "/config/cgminer.conf", Then hit enter. Until I figured this out, I had to ssh into the miner, and start a second instance of cgminer to get mining, because KNC had added "HTTP://" to the stratum address, and entered my workername info incorrectly. The result, was a dead instance of cgminer, and a broken GUI, which was stopping me from changing the settings in a catch-22 situation. I inadvertantly used the cgminer default config file name in an attempt to fix the problem, not knowing that knc is using a custom location to store the config file. Seeking it in linux and typing it in the cgminer save field cured the problems. I now am able to assign the ip adress and save it as well now, where it wouldn't before, which means now, i dont have to sniff the ip either to ssh into the machine, or access the gui, because its all booting perfectly now, and connecting automatically to the pool, and hashing away by the time I can ssh in and do a screen -r.... no ip sniffing necessary. What a relief!
Smiley p.s... 0.95 is working fast as any I've had loaded now too.


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October 12, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
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so if anyone has saved settings from cgminer, and just hit enter for the default config file... and experienced a gui glitch afterwards... this is the fix: after all the settings in cg are as you want them...when you save by hitting "S"for settings, then "W" for (write config file)in CGMiner don't hit "Enter", instead, type "/config/cgminer.conf", Then hit enter. Until I figured this out, I had to ssh into the miner, and start a second instance of cgminer to get mining, because KNC had added "HTTP://" to the stratum address, and entered my workername info incorrectly. The result, was a dead instance of cgminer, and a broken GUI, which was stopping me from changing the settings in a catch-22 situation. I inadvertantly used the cgminer default config file name in an attempt to fix the problem, not knowing that knc is using a custom location to store the config file. Seeking it in linux and typing it in the cgminer save field cured the problems. I now am able to assign the ip adress and save it as well now, where it wouldn't before, which means now, i dont have to sniff the ip either to ssh into the machine, or access the gui, because its all booting perfectly now, and connecting automatically to the pool, and hashing away by the time I can ssh in and do a screen -r.... no ip sniffing necessary. What a relief!
Smiley p.s... 0.95 is working fast as any I've had loaded now too.
do I need to remove http://
and if I remove it what is the difference, since I have the "http:// "showing and it's mining ..would it increase the mining speed
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October 12, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
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so if anyone has saved settings from cgminer, and just hit enter for the default config file... and experienced a gui glitch afterwards... this is the fix: after all the settings in cg are as you want them...when you save by hitting "S"for settings, then "W" for (write config file)in CGMiner don't hit "Enter", instead, type "/config/cgminer.conf", Then hit enter. Until I figured this out, I had to ssh into the miner, and start a second instance of cgminer to get mining, because KNC had added "HTTP://" to the stratum address, and entered my workername info incorrectly. The result, was a dead instance of cgminer, and a broken GUI, which was stopping me from changing the settings in a catch-22 situation. I inadvertantly used the cgminer default config file name in an attempt to fix the problem, not knowing that knc is using a custom location to store the config file. Seeking it in linux and typing it in the cgminer save field cured the problems. I now am able to assign the ip adress and save it as well now, where it wouldn't before, which means now, i dont have to sniff the ip either to ssh into the machine, or access the gui, because its all booting perfectly now, and connecting automatically to the pool, and hashing away by the time I can ssh in and do a screen -r.... no ip sniffing necessary. What a relief!
Smiley p.s... 0.95 is working fast as any I've had loaded now too.
do I need to remove http://
and if I remove it what is the difference, since I have the "http:// "showing and it's mining ..would it increase the mining speed
no, your pool is using http then; slush uses stratum...   if yours is working, don't fix it.. Smiley


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so if anyone has saved settings from cgminer, and just hit enter for the default config file... and experienced a gui glitch afterwards... this is the fix: after all the settings in cg are as you want them...when you save by hitting "S"for settings, then "W" for (write config file)in CGMiner don't hit "Enter", instead, type "/config/cgminer.conf", Then hit enter. Until I figured this out, I had to ssh into the miner, and start a second instance of cgminer to get mining, because KNC had added "HTTP://" to the stratum address, and entered my workername info incorrectly. The result, was a dead instance of cgminer, and a broken GUI, which was stopping me from changing the settings in a catch-22 situation. I inadvertantly used the cgminer default config file name in an attempt to fix the problem, not knowing that knc is using a custom location to store the config file. Seeking it in linux and typing it in the cgminer save field cured the problems. I now am able to assign the ip adress and save it as well now, where it wouldn't before, which means now, i dont have to sniff the ip either to ssh into the machine, or access the gui, because its all booting perfectly now, and connecting automatically to the pool, and hashing away by the time I can ssh in and do a screen -r.... no ip sniffing necessary. What a relief!
Smiley p.s... 0.95 is working fast as any I've had loaded now too.
do I need to remove http://
and if I remove it what is the difference, since I have the "http:// "showing and it's mining ..would it increase the mining speed
no, your pool is using http then; slush uses stratum...   if yours is working, don't fix it.. Smiley
actually i am using slush with http://...so i should take it out then?
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wow, mine wouldnt work that way...your call.. it should be:   stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333    exactly like that.


edit: Now the date is correct in cgminer too, among other things
Now I feel I'm ready for the other two saturns that have been "In Progress" all week... ship them badboyz already!
I'll send Darkrider to pick them up....hope he has a jet    Grin

The only stat that really worked before was the 5s avg.... now that all the other stuff is working, i can see myy real average is only about 268, which matches slush's stats.  Sad  I'm just glad to have one up & running for now


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October 12, 2013, 10:04:35 PM
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Should I change pools or simply go back to firmware 0.94 Huh
Here's an average on 24 hours with firmware 0.94 and 0.95 :

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Average CGminer270Gh/s274Gh/s
Average Bitminter  275Gh/s263Gh/s
Consumption485 Watts  305 Watts
Temputure54 & 62°C42 & 47°C
HW2.81%0.79%

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Pool speed is where the real-payout is.  I'd concern myself more with that than what cgminer says.
Well, I went back to 0.94. I think I'm the only one Cheesy
Found out that the WU (Work Unit) is the most important value.

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October 12, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
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Found out that the WU (Work Unit) is the most important value.

Careful WU includes all shares including those rejected.  You only get paid for valid shares.  In your case you probably are still coming out ahead just didn't want someone else to think higher WU is always better.  Higher WU with same or lower reject is always better.

It would be nice if cgminer had a WA (work accepted / min).
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wow, mine wouldnt work that way...your call.. it should be:   stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333    exactly like that.


edit: Now the date is correct in cgminer too, among other things
Now I feel I'm ready for the other two saturns that have been "In Progress" all week... ship them badboyz already!
I'll send Darkrider to pick them up....hope he has a jet    Grin

The only stat that really worked before was the 5s avg.... now that all the other stuff is working, i can see myy real average is only about 268, which matches slush's stats.  Sad  I'm just glad to have one up & running for now
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the cgminer hash rate is showing 270 but slush pool hash rate is showing 240, is there something wrong?
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October 12, 2013, 10:23:26 PM
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slush's avg is over the last ten rounds, including restarts & down time


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October 12, 2013, 10:26:45 PM
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slush's avg is over the last ten rounds, including restarts & down time
I am looking at the Mhash/s* number and that is very far off from the speed of cgminer, how is yours like.
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October 12, 2013, 10:29:46 PM
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slush's avg is over the last ten rounds, including restarts & down time
I am looking at the Mhash/s* number and that is very far off from the speed of cgminer, how is yours like.
almost exactly like yours...right now cgminer says 270 average, while slush says 254639 Mhash/s, which is about 16Gh/s  different, but I've had the system down a few times sorting things out, so that seems accurate


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October 12, 2013, 10:34:40 PM
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1) There are no more refunds.

Not necessarily:

Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.


Wish they would have actually stuck to this.
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does bermod 0.2.1 work with fw 0.95??
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does bermod 0.2.1 work with fw 0.95??

Yes, in chrome you need to do a ctrl refresh once you hit check status or it appears to loop. If it doesn't load the full page keep doing ctrl+refresh and it'll pull the data once its finishes polling all the asics.
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does bermod 0.2.1 work with fw 0.95??

Yes, in chrome you need to do a ctrl refresh once you hit check status or it appears to loop. If it doesn't load the full page keep doing ctrl+refresh and it'll pull the data once its finishes polling all the asics.

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Saturn ...1.3 btc in 48 hours, even with all the problems I had Smiley
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**What other pool is best at this point?


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October 12, 2013, 11:17:48 PM
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Found out that the WU (Work Unit) is the most important value.

Careful WU includes all shares including those rejected.  You only get paid for valid shares.  In your case you probably are still coming out ahead just didn't want someone else to think higher WU is always better.  Higher WU with same or lower reject is always better.

It would be nice if cgminer had a WA (work accepted / min).

I do not go on WU alone however it is a metric that I use to gauge stability and performance overall.

I compared the 12 hour 13 hour and 24 hour results between firmware v0.9.4 and firmware v0.9.5 and found that by 24 hours I lost out on 200,000 potential accepted shares if I had gone with firmware v0.9.4 over v0.9.5

Yet I am doing a few final tests to see if that loss is worth it as firmware v0.9.4 needs ambient temps to be below 21°C in order to not start to take a performance hit.

And yes these tests were done in the same environmental conditions including network connectivity results from the pool.
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