Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Puppet]

So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?

BFL was estimated to have 3PH worth of preorders with their 65nm products. Using the cheapest option, that amounts to $135M
So yeah, IMO the total is likely higher than $127M especially since  I doubt BFL has been a big recipient of preorders lately.

[ncs0ne]

Hi all,

I've enhanced KnCMiner's web-interface, so you can add more than one pool now.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309739.0

enjoy!

*btw: maybe someone is so kindly to post this link in the knc-forum, please ?
          not all customers read this thread and I do not have an account there

[Mota]

So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?

BFL was estimated to have 3PH worth of preorders with their 65nm products. Using the cheapest option, that amounts to $135M
So yeah, IMO the total is likely higher than $127M especially since  I doubt BFL has been a big recipient of preorders lately.

Again, Bullshit. http://bfl.ptz.ro/  Even if you triple that number you have only 30 million. and you need to remember that even if, after all those who refunded got their money back, the rest ships, those are peanuts hashing wise.

[timmmers]

There is just one simple conclusion on this HF vs KNC vs (include any ASIC producer here) debate: we, the buyers put and (most likely) will continue to put nice wealth into the bank accounts of those companies. The rest of the debate is pointless from a financial point of view

When I see that photo of all the main players in ASIC companies posing together, this is what I really see.

[Puppet]

So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?

BFL was estimated to have 3PH worth of preorders with their 65nm products. Using the cheapest option, that amounts to $135M
So yeah, IMO the total is likely higher than $127M especially since  I doubt BFL has been a big recipient of preorders lately.

Again, Bullshit. http://bfl.ptz.ro/  Even if you triple that number you have only 30 million. and you need to remember that even if, after all those who refunded got their money back, the rest ships, those are peanuts hashing wise.

And you think  more than a tiny fraction of BFL customers reported their orders to that site? Dont make me laugh. Most people never heard of it. If anything Im shocked so many did report it.

This is what I used for my 3PH estimate:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283820.0

Oh and that $300K in refunds changes exactly nothing.

But you can look at it in different ways too, like by valuation of the asic vendors. Asicminer is hardly a major player anymore, but its still valued at $40M. Cointerra value themselves at $20M (pre IPO, Im sure investors would pay much more for it).  Combined they form only a small fraction of the miner market these days, with Bitfury, BFL, KnC and HF likely being the biggest ones right now.

[The Avenger]

When I see that photo of all the main players in ASIC companies posing together, this is what I really see.

Terms & Conditions: Pre-orders, delivery 6 months from now, payment in BTC only. No refunds.

[whisper]

After apply 0.95 update and hit reboot button at the end, my Jupiter become unreachable. I`ve trying to reboots, resets everything and nothing help(I unplug all PCI-e before doing this). Still no answer from CS they dont even pick up the phone.

you were never instructed to unplug the pci plugs before resetting...thats why its not working...  lol... it's supposed to be done with the power ON
I just hope you didnt unplug the pci plugs with the unit on, you could easily fry a cap

Offcouse not! The board+bbb was made to work independent without any asics modules. Every one know that without any asics attached board continue to work and can be pinging and webing without any problem. I remove cables to avoid fire on board cos of my retrying attempts.

[1l1l11ll1l]

Will that take some heat off the PSU to cool it down some?

Find out. Many (though mostly older) PSU's need a minimum load on the 5v or they dont regulate properly. This can cause severe issues, like high fluctuations on the 12V.
Just connect a cdrom drive, light bulb, hdd or whatever to put a minimum load on the 5V and see if it makes a difference. If it doesnt help, its not going to hurt either.

Steady the 3.3v Rail

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-EPS-ATX-24-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/251029042274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a727f3462

[nightengale]

Has anyone received shipping info in a few days? Seems like moving a bunch of orders to "In Progress" was move to placate the masses.

[Paladin69]

If I was an "Angel Investor" in CoinTerra I'd be scared shitless right now.  KnC & HashFast are going to obliterate the difficulty.  Amazing that HashFast is offering up to 400% more hardware to people.  I was hoping KnC was going to naturally do that but since they are pulling VRM's off their boards I don't think their stuff can be future proofed as easily through firmware.

OrSOC pumps those boards out quickly.  It would be nice if KnC could offer the same thing as HashFast.

Personally, I hope HashFast fails.  This is looking scary.

I feel really sorry for BFL people still waiting on 65nm and those invested in the Monarch.

[Paladin69]

Will that take some heat off the PSU to cool it down some?

Find out. Many (though mostly older) PSU's need a minimum load on the 5v or they dont regulate properly. This can cause severe issues, like high fluctuations on the 12V.
Just connect a cdrom drive, light bulb, hdd or whatever to put a minimum load on the 5V and see if it makes a difference. If it doesnt help, its not going to hurt either.

Steady the 3.3v Rail

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-EPS-ATX-24-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/251029042274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a727f3462

Does that do a better job or equivalent than plugging a hard drive in?

[erschiessen]

If I was an "Angel Investor" in CoinTerra I'd be scared shitless right now.  KnC & HashFast are going to obliterate the difficulty.  Amazing that HashFast is offering up to 400% more hardware to people.  I was hoping KnC was going to naturally do that but since they are pulling VRM's off their boards I don't think their stuff can be future proofed as easily through firmware.

OrSOC pumps those boards out quickly.  It would be nice if KnC could offer the same thing as HashFast.

Personally, I hope HashFast fails.  This is looking scary.

I feel really sorry for BFL people still waiting on 65nm and those invested in the Monarch.

I hope so, too... but because of the incredible douche-nicity of their mouthpiece.

[Paladin69]

There's a very good chance the 8 VRM boards will be able to overclock / boost performance FAR beyond the 4 VRM boards.

These are not thermally limited as-is on 0.95.  If they are limited, they're limited by VRM current or perhaps decoupling capacitance or other

Prepare for further shitstorms, anyone with a 4 VRM board will be like a cripple trying to keep up against Usain bolt

Oh and those VRM modules have the board level connections as BGA-style underneath the PCB.  So you're not adding any components yourself!  So go fuck yourself, everyone who doesn't have a reflow oven

If you want better performance out of having 8 VRM's over 4, you will have to code it yourself.  I highly doubt KnC is going to favor the earliest adopters who have 8.  This place would become a bloodbath otherwise.

I was hopeful that maybe these things could be future-proofed for the next couple of months and pushed to 700-800GH with ADHD Marcus and his love for tweaking.

I'm not going to play armchair engineer.  I think if they would've been useful to leave on, they would have.  I don't think this is about saving money on those tiny parts that are probably worth pennies.

[plasmoske]

I think I'll be in the positive if the miner can run stable and solidly for the next 3 months.

Or if nothing goes on fire

[soy]

After apply 0.95 update and hit reboot button at the end, my Jupiter become unreachable. I`ve trying to reboots, resets everything and nothing help(I unplug all PCI-e before doing this). Still no answer from CS they dont even pick up the phone.

you were never instructed to unplug the pci plugs before resetting...thats why its not working...  lol... it's supposed to be done with the power ON
I just hope you didnt unplug the pci plugs with the unit on, you could easily fry a cap

Offcouse not! The board+bbb was made to work independent without any asics modules. Every one know that without any asics attached board continue to work and can be pinging and webing without any problem. I remove cables to avoid fire on board cos of my retrying attempts.

I see.  So, if you remove the ASIC modules, leave the PCIE-6 connectors unplugged and attach only the 4 pin molex (although both connectors are likely sold by molex but the reference seems to be in vogue) and power up, one can perform an upgrade - or is the 12v via molex segregated from the 12v PCIE-6 12volts and/or does that potential segregation even matter?  The ASIC modules require the 12v.  If ASIC 12 volts is segregated from the 4 pin molex 12 v then one could upgrade with ASICs down with only the 4 pin molex connected and not removing the ASIC modules.

[soy]

Will that take some heat off the PSU to cool it down some?

Find out. Many (though mostly older) PSU's need a minimum load on the 5v or they dont regulate properly. This can cause severe issues, like high fluctuations on the 12V.
Just connect a cdrom drive, light bulb, hdd or whatever to put a minimum load on the 5V and see if it makes a difference. If it doesnt help, its not going to hurt either.

Steady the 3.3v Rail

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-EPS-ATX-24-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/251029042274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a727f3462

I like that. 

Maybe an entrepreneur can build and sell on ebay a motherboard connector with resistive loads and the make-voltage-available-pins-shorted jumper that will load the 5 volts and have a fast acting metal oxide varistor on the 12v preventing it from going over 14v.

[soy]

If I was an "Angel Investor" in CoinTerra I'd be scared shitless right now.  KnC & HashFast are going to obliterate the difficulty.  Amazing that HashFast is offering up to 400% more hardware to people.  I was hoping KnC was going to naturally do that but since they are pulling VRM's off their boards I don't think their stuff can be future proofed as easily through firmware.

OrSOC pumps those boards out quickly.  It would be nice if KnC could offer the same thing as HashFast.

Personally, I hope HashFast fails.  This is looking scary.

I feel really sorry for BFL people still waiting on 65nm and those invested in the Monarch.

I hope so, too... but because of the incredible douche-nicity of their mouthpiece.

      douche-nicity    - I love it! bitcoining a word.

[Paladin69]

If I was an "Angel Investor" in CoinTerra I'd be scared shitless right now.  KnC & HashFast are going to obliterate the difficulty.  Amazing that HashFast is offering up to 400% more hardware to people.  I was hoping KnC was going to naturally do that but since they are pulling VRM's off their boards I don't think their stuff can be future proofed as easily through firmware.

OrSOC pumps those boards out quickly.  It would be nice if KnC could offer the same thing as HashFast.

Personally, I hope HashFast fails.  This is looking scary.

I feel really sorry for BFL people still waiting on 65nm and those invested in the Monarch.

I hope so, too... but because of the incredible douche-nicity of their mouthpiece.

That one guy that looks like he took his cellphone pic in his bathroom does remind me of BFL_Josh quite a bit.  Maybe the announcements of miner protection and giant factories are there to stave off people jumping ship?  They do seem to be over-promising.  Reminds me of BFL showing off their "high-speed" machines in 2012.  I think the Ninja-Queen could've put ASIC's out the door faster than those things.

[Searing]

hey most of us here I think hope it all works out with hashfast..but I too think you will get a visit from "Murphy" don't ya know....(hey I lost money to bfl and put money into knc...only so much $$$ I can throw at this stuff) ...anyway hope hashfast follows thru at a high level .....the more that get their crap together customer service/output on time wise the better...I swear if there are too many more BFL's out there..we will all run to Litecoin...more noise...more $$ from gpu stuff but heck of a lot less drama imho...

Careful what you wish for. If hashfast delivers on spec, in time and in volume, the impact on difficulty will make it about as painful as getting BFL'ed. Thats the whole point with these preorder asic miners, either you get screwed because the vendors do deliver, or you get screwed because they dont. The simple reality is that the money already plunged on preorders in all likely hood exceeds total mining revenue for the next 6 months.  The only way to have any hope of breaking even is buying from a company that does deliver, while the rest doesnt.

I have not bought any asic, nor do I intend to, but if I were a KnC customer, I would sure wish for HF's chip to come out with a major unfixable flaw in its design.

you are probably correct I am a "savant" in doing the wrong thing at the wrong timing in the ASIC world of purchasing and/or lack of delivery...so yeah...do the opposite of me ...is the true plan on thriving with bitcoin....(hey any others on here we should start a club)

not real big on this 'savant' gift  by the by

Searing

[Searing]

Will that take some heat off the PSU to cool it down some?

Find out. Many (though mostly older) PSU's need a minimum load on the 5v or they dont regulate properly. This can cause severe issues, like high fluctuations on the 12V.
Just connect a cdrom drive, light bulb, hdd or whatever to put a minimum load on the 5V and see if it makes a difference. If it doesnt help, its not going to hurt either.

Steady the 3.3v Rail

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-EPS-ATX-24-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/251029042274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a727f3462

what do you all think is this iittle add a 3.3v load device on  the power on your knc miner power supply really gonna help any?

or is it smoke/mirrors..?

need to get one anyway if this seems better then making my own ...what the heck I can spring 9 bucks for 2 of them

(alas I know zip about this just trying to cover my butt in that they sent me 11k of stuff with no SWITCHES.....jeez...I must be outta my frigging mind btc/asic endeavors!)


Searing