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October 17, 2013, 03:36:36 AM
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The Saturn just survived it's first power outage...was only 3 seconds(A storm here), but that's dangerous in itself...the miner auto-rebooted, auto-connected & started re-hashing just fine... Smiley


You were trying to configure wireless via bridge.  You succeeded I hope.  I want to do something similar but not just protect my miners, I think I'll have [cable docsis modem] --> Linksys (Cisco) E900 wirelessly transmitting --> an access point or bridge of some kind immediately next to it --> another Linksys (Cisco) E900 which will feed my network, miners, tablets and computers.  The separation of hardwire cable in between the docsis -> first E900 and the AP or bridge will protect against a high voltage in via the cable.  Won't protect my TV tho.
What worked, was using the laptop's wireless connection to access the hotspot as a server, enabling DHCP, assigning it an address, then running an ethernet cord to a regular ethernet switch, where my desktops & miners are all connected using I.P.'s all assigned within the same range, using the laptop's connection as the gateway. This also allowed me to move the laptop right next to the android, in the kitchen, when the ethernet switch is here in the livingroom, works excellent
*anyone who tries this should know to do all I.P. sniffing from the server(Laptop)

Sounds great.  Are the devices on the ethernet swtich on the same network as the laptop's wireless?

Or different networks and the laptop routing data from the one network to the other?  And if this latter, does it take any software not typically found on WinXP?
no software, all my computers are running windows 8, and it was done using the normal network & sharing center access window under "Change adapter settings" and simply change the IPV4 settings(on clients) to an IP within your servers range... meaning if your server's address is 123.231.213.1. yor clients addresses can be anywhere from 123.231.213.2 to 123.231.213.255, except 123.231.213.1. Doing this allows any computer with any access to the web to become a server to as many as 254 ethernet devices in that network... PS3's, XBOX, computers, miners, etc.
Server = DHCP on (but manually assign address anyway)
This way allows you to quickly scan a range with the IP scanner, and access the gui to change the address to what you want within that range
Clients = DHCP OFF (manually assign address)
Miners = DHCP OFF (they are clients) also manual
XBOX & PS3 are fully automatic in connecting.

Assigning an IP to your miner isnt a requirement, but doing so allows you to bookmark the miner's IP, so whenever you experience a network failure, or power outage, it will always return to that address, so you never have to use the IP scanner again, and can save your putty session, so you dont have to type in the IP address every time you re-boot for any reason. The miner will have DHCP on by default in the GUI. You just uncheck the box, assign the ip to the miner, plug in your servers ip address as the gateway & DNS server, and the subnet mask, hit save & wahlah, you are set to return to that IP if/when anything happens. it's not necessary to reboot for this to be programmed into the GUI; just "apply"

admittidly..."I'm no genius", it took 3 different outside specialists, and a good night's sleep to figure that out.... I got the miner at about 2pm that day, and spent about 18 hours on it, and finally went to bed angry at the world... but when I woke up in the morning, had a cup of coffee & cranked everything back up, it took me about ten minutes to find out I had more problems than just the IP address, because the miner was not connecting at all due to a bad username on the pool. So, after a few attempts, the IP would just go dead because cgminer would make a few attempts, and quit running, but still have the app running a dead instance of cgminer....and sniffing becomes almost impossible. I was only able to catch that by scanning at just the right moment to catch a live IP on the scan tool... (while the ethernet lights were still flashing) in that state, I was able to start a second instance of cgminer in a second putty window(and mine with it manually inputting my info), but I was also then able to access the GUI and change it, as well as set the network access page to my liking, which fixed everything. (after, of course screwing it up more by attempting to save the settings from cgminer without knowing they dont use the root address)
It was a saga to say the least...but now I'm ready for the other two to come TOMORROW YAhoooooo


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October 17, 2013, 04:28:10 AM
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Out of curiosity, what companies besides KnC offer refunds?
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October 17, 2013, 04:55:52 AM
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The Saturn just survived it's first power outage...was only 3 seconds(A storm here), but that's dangerous in itself...the miner auto-rebooted, auto-connected & started re-hashing just fine... Smiley


You were trying to configure wireless via bridge.  You succeeded I hope.  I want to do something similar but not just protect my miners, I think I'll have [cable docsis modem] --> Linksys (Cisco) E900 wirelessly transmitting --> an access point or bridge of some kind immediately next to it --> another Linksys (Cisco) E900 which will feed my network, miners, tablets and computers.  The separation of hardwire cable in between the docsis -> first E900 and the AP or bridge will protect against a high voltage in via the cable.  Won't protect my TV tho.
What worked, was using the laptop's wireless connection to access the hotspot as a server, enabling DHCP, assigning it an address, then running an ethernet cord to a regular ethernet switch, where my desktops & miners are all connected using I.P.'s all assigned within the same range, using the laptop's connection as the gateway. This also allowed me to move the laptop right next to the android, in the kitchen, when the ethernet switch is here in the livingroom, works excellent
*anyone who tries this should know to do all I.P. sniffing from the server(Laptop)

Sounds great.  Are the devices on the ethernet swtich on the same network as the laptop's wireless?

Or different networks and the laptop routing data from the one network to the other?  And if this latter, does it take any software not typically found on WinXP?
no software, all my computers are running windows 8, and it was done using the normal network & sharing center access window under "Change adapter settings" and simply change the IPV4 settings(on clients) to an IP within your servers range... meaning if your server's address is 123.231.213.1. yor clients addresses can be anywhere from 123.231.213.2 to 123.231.213.255, except 123.231.213.1. Doing this allows any computer with any access to the web to become a server to as many as 254 ethernet devices in that network... PS3's, XBOX, computers, miners, etc.
Server = DHCP on (but manually assign address anyway)
This way allows you to quickly scan a range with the IP scanner, and access the gui to change the address to what you want within that range
Clients = DHCP OFF (manually assign address)
Miners = DHCP OFF (they are clients) also manual
XBOX & PS3 are fully automatic in connecting.

Assigning an IP to your miner isnt a requirement, but doing so allows you to bookmark the miner's IP, so whenever you experience a network failure, or power outage, it will always return to that address, so you never have to use the IP scanner again, and can save your putty session, so you dont have to type in the IP address every time you re-boot for any reason. The miner will have DHCP on by default in the GUI. You just uncheck the box, assign the ip to the miner, plug in your servers ip address as the gateway & DNS server, and the subnet mask, hit save & wahlah, you are set to return to that IP if/when anything happens. it's not necessary to reboot for this to be programmed into the GUI; just "apply"

admittidly..."I'm no genius", it took 3 different outside specialists, and a good night's sleep to figure that out.... I got the miner at about 2pm that day, and spent about 18 hours on it, and finally went to bed angry at the world... but when I woke up in the morning, had a cup of coffee & cranked everything back up, it took me about ten minutes to find out I had more problems than just the IP address, because the miner was not connecting at all due to a bad username on the pool. So, after a few attempts, the IP would just go dead because cgminer would make a few attempts, and quit running, but still have the app running a dead instance of cgminer....and sniffing becomes almost impossible. I was only able to catch that by scanning at just the right moment to catch a live IP on the scan tool... (while the ethernet lights were still flashing) in that state, I was able to start a second instance of cgminer in a second putty window(and mine with it manually inputting my info), but I was also then able to access the GUI and change it, as well as set the network access page to my liking, which fixed everything. (after, of course screwing it up more by attempting to save the settings from cgminer without knowing they dont use the root address)

nothing beats hands on experience!

well done & please be prepared for the next wave of recipients calling on you for support
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October 17, 2013, 05:04:57 AM
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At this point it's become as much about the principle. In my view, the early shipments got early shipments, the latter orders have been offered refunds, and those of us in the middle are getting screwed. My latest message to customer service, after Emilia told me they could not offer compensation, when I wasn't even asking for compensation:

"I'm not asking for compensation. I'm asking for a refund, like those who ordered after me are being offered. I will pay for return shipping. We were told that refunds would be offered up until the point of our orders shipping, but two weeks before mine shipped, we were told there were no more refunds. Then my order is suddenly marked as "shipped" two weeks later (even though I still have no tracking number), refunds are resumed, but I'm told I'm not eligible because my order has already supposedly shipped. Does this sound fair to you? I'm not asking for compensation. I'm just asking for the opportunity to get the refund that was part of the terms of my order. Refunds up to the point of shipping were part of the terms offered by KnC. I will even pay for the return shipping. Please, in the name of fairness, consider this."

This blows.

Do you really want a refund on your order ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitcoin-Miner-KNC-Jupiter-576-GH-s-IN-HAND-not-preorder-/190933709851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7489341b

*you can sell it with profit

he has 1 bid at 9k hope it works out but with paypal someone could mine with it for 45 days and do a cc reverse charges and send the thing back..and he'd be out the cash with a 45day miner.(its been done at least what I've heard in forums on other mnfg units) er I should say he'd get the cash back..but out the miners use for 45 days if he got played....
prob it will work out

i'm still waiting on my Saturn order it says processing but was told in email they will see if they can pull it....so processing is up to the 520x number now FYI

whatever ..it it comes I mine with it...but if I can get a refund it seems prudent with the next nov 15th bash going out the door around the time I get the above unit would e nov 1st anyway...just seems silly if KNC has another dump of stuff the month of November .....its starting to look like people are dropping anvils off the doc on to the rowboats to see how fast it sinks....anyway so it goes

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October 17, 2013, 05:05:12 AM
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October 17, 2013, 05:10:48 AM
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I wonder if someone like Luke can just bypass the beagleboard/controller and talk directly to the asic modules from a faster machine.  Seems the Saturns do better than the Jupiters.

They aren't selling extra control units at this time but didn't completely rule it out

Wait till someone runs .93 on a properly cooled mercury...  Ive been able to run one board around ~158 for a decent amount of time
tried on my saturn...no difference except more errors
43 & 45 C

you can drop it another 5-7C each if you sit the heatsink fans on the crossbar and just slightly wedge the top into the 4th opening of the fins.. but surely KNC knows how to cool their miners best.. what I know..

here's my .95 miner that I awoken not one but two VRMs from the grave  (all 4 VRM boards)

ASIC slot #3: 39.5 ℃
ASIC slot #4: 36.0 ℃
ASIC slot #5: 34.5 ℃
ASIC slot #6: 39.0 ℃

BTCGuild  511.27 GH/s 871936 (99.94%)




and the other still running .93   (one 8VRM board, other three with 4VRMs)

Temperature sensor: 44.0 C
Temperature sensor: 47.0 C
Temperature sensor: 36.5 C   (the lucky board with 8VRMs... no difference at all right KNC?)
Temperature sensor: 45.5 C

BTCGuild  535.71 GH/s 5941376 (99.91%)
 




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October 17, 2013, 05:15:14 AM
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I have two orders "In Progress". I swear it's like foreplay without the sex.

On a serious note, is everyone taking notice that Gox is hovering around $155 and Coinbase is at $143? Let's hope this is a trend that could help to ease the Everest-esque difficulty increases. Are people hoarding? What are the transaction numbers looking like? I don't know how to figure that stuff out. Are more serious traders coming to the market because of the SilkRoad news being plastered everywhere?


well supposedly this is how btc is supposed to work...keeps creeping up...if it does not due to all the new coin being made by miners etc.....then there will come a point (imho) where everyone will look at it and cash out to get ROI or whatever ...example  this http://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/ The tulip bubble of 1637....now not saying that is what is going on with BTC ...but from a speculator of mining equipment the above scenario makes me nervous....) imho there will be a 'crash' the catch is will btc and/or mining bounce back as it has before....not imho if asic makers keep playing us this close to the freeway on the PH increases and/or timing at the last moment...but then again I know zip I ordered from BFL Smiley


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October 17, 2013, 05:19:46 AM
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What order number is the highest on shipping-status now?
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October 17, 2013, 05:27:56 AM
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well i got 6xxx and it says in process. but that dont mean squat.

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October 17, 2013, 05:34:20 AM
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Out of curiosity, what companies besides KnC offer refunds?

we are not exactly sure that knc offers refunds (imho) I was told on here that because our orders THAT came AFTER the deadline of Oct 15th you suddenly COULD get a refund. This may always have been the case for the November orders .but for the 1st knc run they locked out refunds beginning of OCT I think it was.

So reading that and on a chance and yesterday morning my 520x Saturn still said PAID I requested a refund ( by the time I get this order it will be nov 1st and nov 15th will begin shipping on the next run from knc miner at the reduced cost...so this seemed  a better plan and small window of opportunity...)

Like 1/2 hr later I got an email from customerservice@kncminer.com saying that it was in "processing" and they they would get back to me today on if they can pull the unit and give me a refund..so if you have an item with PAID still on it .you have to jump...not sure if they will pull items in processing may  have only done that cause it just changed status for my Saturn unit and the customer rep saw it.

anyway the only window I know for people in the 1st run to get refunds w/o resorting to paypal and cc disputes.......If they just send me the Saturn anyway say I can't get a refund I'll just eat it...probably and mine...but for $4K to use or save for another day ...under current 'dump' of asic devices what the heck worth a shot ...would not mind the 2nd toy but hey..if your gonna dangle a refund in front of me with the next month looming and I already have a Jupiter on the way....i'll bite...(of course all my choices are wrong....so we will see..in the btc world anyway)

and side note as it relates to difficulty etc to knc miners hitting the network...BFL since KNC had its 'demo' at the first of the month has stopped or slowed production on its other products and really been dumping out mini-rigs or at least at a pace now similar to their other units....not sure if this was a poison the well for everyone tactic or what but prev to this they we're trying to get the low end units more worthless sooner out first....anyway that also contributed to my decision they are in MARCH on their mini-rig orders ...if they really get moving on getting the rest of their stuff out...that will be a big hit diff wise with knc from now thru December....they have not even got to the NEW pricing units yet from april when BTC hit the news and their sales shot up....so lame they are..

anyway it is what it is i'll let you know how it goes.....just trying to helpful those with even later units then mine

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October 17, 2013, 05:50:11 AM
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What order number is the highest on shipping-status now?

according to this it is 65xx (at the end of this list on bitcointalk anyway)

so maybe that is it....all orders are now saying processing...if processing means you can't get a refund anymore then that means there was only a 1 day window to do this..more or less...weird....as in a prev post we will see what luck I have on refund of my 2nd unit a Saturn..that the customer service rep says they will try and pull and get me a refund ..but again it just changed from paid to processing around the time the customer service rep looked at it.

So if you are out of luck and they won't refund under processing anymore on the first run of knc stuff anymore...then only option is cc under paypal or direct cc contact

here is the list on bitcoin talk of people submitting orders/timeline

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=249065.0


anyway if you are on the a** end of nowhere on the list and just went to processing it won't hurt to ask I guess..if they really are gonna get everything out in like 3 days on this run..it may be futile...but again should you decide to do so..what the heck worth a shot...and they did say for those who had paid as a status yet and after the 15th and not shipped yet a refund...worse that can happen is they tell you your miner is built and its a no-go...can't see it being a big deal even if built if it all goes into the November 2nd run anyway imho

and again any implied or other 'advice' I have here just imho .....your best bet is probably to do the opposite my track record sucks...Smiley

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October 17, 2013, 05:54:47 AM
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How can people be so blind?

Right on the front page!



Yeah I saw that also. I've been trying to look around for what fees or any hidden fees they get. Seems like 0% so far from looking.

I'm just thinking here how they manage to operate without making money. Is there something I'm missing?

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not everyone bothers to claim their merged mined Namecoins, so he gets to keep some of those at least...


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October 17, 2013, 06:45:16 AM
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#421x Saturn, saying "paid" after 16 fucking days of production.  HOSTED. Sent a love letter to knc last night. After 1hour received a reply with immediate change in status to "full refund pending". So yes, they are accepting refunds. Switching to Bitmine. 650GHs+1y hosting for $1000 more.
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October 17, 2013, 06:49:16 AM
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Oh, I freely admit that it was a fluke (the one I saw was not the ASIC miner thing, I do remember that.)

If the block you saw is not related to the ASICMiner refund, then show me where you saw a block which generated 200 BTC in transactions fees. I want see with my own eyes if such block even exist...
It wasn't 200 BTC in fees but 2.7 BTC if Biomech is talking about the one i'm thinking of: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/11731/anomalous-2-7-btc-transaction-fee-observed. It was talked about in this thread recently or at least on bitcointalk i think but i'm not going to search for it.


You may be correct. I haven't had a lot of sleep of late. I saw it about a week ago, either here or reddit.

At any rate, and this is to Augusto Croppo specifically and also a general thought.

I do NOT know a great deal of the technical aspects of bitcoin. I'm still learning, and I am not a mathematician so a lot of it is currently beyond me. That being said, I am well versed in economics, particularly Austrian school, but I have read and understood Keynes to the extent that anyone can understand that gobbledygook. I understand markets and money.

What I am proposing is simple on it's face, but somewhat complex in it's actions. This, I think, is one future avenue to gain widespread acceptance of bitcoin. Yes, it has unique properties that make it IN ITSELF a vehicle for monetary transactions, and yes, I understand that this does not in itself generate fees.

Therefore it is incumbent on the bitcoin community, and especially miners, to implement schemes that DO generate these fees. And yes, this scheme would require a form of banking. This is not egregious. Banking in and of itself is not harmful to economies. Fractional reserve banking is, because it "creates" units of currency that do not currently actually exist. In it's base form, it borrows against what a lender can repay ahead of time. That is dangerous, but not egregious. In it's more modern form, the "central bank" sees those loans as actual money and adjusts the supply accordingly. That's straight up theft in the form of debasing the currency. This we do want to avoid.

But a bank or similar institution issuing debit cards that transact with the network is not a problem, except for technical issues that are frankly minor. I'll say for the sake of speculation that Visa decides to issue the Visa-B bitcoin debit card, and they charge the seller around 1 percent of their transactions. This is normal, actually a bit low. Visa averages around 1.6 percent. Or did about 5 years ago. This does NOT cause a decline in transactions, as accepting Visa gives merchants a huge advantage over those who don't. So now, in this example, you have a bitcoin denominated visa card. Visa already does "currency equivalent" transactions, so this would be trivial to them. Now, let's say that they put 10 percent of their income to transaction fees to facilitate the network. See how this could work?

Further, on a slightly different angle, large merchants like Target or Walmart could issue bitcoin denominated gift cards, with a portion of every sale set as a transaction fee (sale of the g/c). This too would add to the network, and would be advantageous to the merchant as it would be yet another avenue of revenue for them. It costs them nothing, only slightly reduces THEIR income on the purchase fee.

These are just two possible schemes to add to the TX fees in the network. If the miners are participants in such a schema, then it benefits them far beyond just generating BTC via mining, and it helps the merchants to contribute to those who maintain the security of the network. Using personal advantage as a springboard, such cooperative ventures benefit everyone involved, including the consumer who now has another avenue of transaction.

This is somewhat complex, but not overly complicated. This is doable with existing structures and networks. There is NO reason that it shouldn't be done that I can see.

Mainstream adoption WILL increase the value of bitcoin over time due to it's deflationary nature AND the inflationary nature inherent in standard fiat currencies. As more people use the currency, the demand for it will drive it's value upward. This has nothing to do with the network itself, but everything to do with it's artificial scarcity. This is fairly basic economics. The more scarce a thing is that is in demand, the higher the purchasing power of it's owners.

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October 17, 2013, 06:51:07 AM
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#421x Saturn, saying "paid" after 16 fucking days of production.  HOSTED. Sent a love letter to knc last night. After 1hour received a reply with immediate change in status to "full refund pending". So yes, they are accepting refunds. Switching to Bitmine. 650GHs+1y hosting for $1000 more.

hopefully that applies to more then just the hosted folks

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October 17, 2013, 06:56:33 AM
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No of course, it's my prediction, based on my reasoning.

Your "reasoning" is clouded by being a knc-fanboi. The hashrate is not going to "level out" for quite some time.

Hashrate will level out when peoples want/need for money/greed levels out.

I have to disagree. That's a bottomless well. It'll hit technical barriers long before that.

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Thanks for the video. Somehow I ended up watching the first episode of DS9 because of your two posts. Now, I'm hooked on DS9, a series I never got into prior.
I'm a trekkie. All series except "enterprise", and not a lot of love for voyager, but it was ok. DS9's first season was kind of 'eh'. From the second season to the finale it was really good.

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not everyone bothers to claim their merged mined Namecoins, so he gets to keep some of those at least...
It was my understanding that Luke also mines his own pool. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.

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