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October 15, 2013, 03:11:26 PM
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The only cost might be UPS were already paid and you'd lose $120 on throwing that label in the dustbin.

A label is fully refundable up until the time the UPS driver scans the package. There is no excuse for not offering full refunds as promised up until the time the package is picked up.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I think they should offer refunds up until they ship the customers particular order however you did agree to their terms which stated no refunds once they start shipping and obviously they started shipping...

Shipping is "personal", not "company-wide". It's no refund until *your* order is shipped, not *any* order is shipped.

Edit: unless specified contractually for B2B customers. It doesn't mean companies like BFL aren't abusing the wording...

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October 15, 2013, 03:14:47 PM
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Hey o'rama.  I got the go ahead to send a bad card back to Sweden in e-mail in the middle of the night.  Can you PM me a FedEx or UPS account # of theirs that you know I can use?  They are impossible to get a hold of.
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October 15, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
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The only cost might be UPS were already paid and you'd lose $120 on throwing that label in the dustbin.

A label is fully refundable up until the time the UPS driver scans the package. There is no excuse for not offering full refunds as promised up until the time the package is picked up.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I think they should offer refunds up until they ship the customers particular order however you did agree to their terms which stated no refunds once they start shipping and obviously they started shipping...

Shipping is "personal", not "company-wide". It's no refund until *your* order is shipped, not *any* order is shipped.

Watch shipped orders sit at UPS in Sweden until the gov spending shutdown ends - in December.



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October 15, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
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The only cost might be UPS were already paid and you'd lose $120 on throwing that label in the dustbin.

A label is fully refundable up until the time the UPS driver scans the package. There is no excuse for not offering full refunds as promised up until the time the package is picked up.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I think they should offer refunds up until they ship the customers particular order however you did agree to their terms which stated no refunds once they start shipping and obviously they started shipping...

Shipping is "personal", not "company-wide". It's no refund until *your* order is shipped, not *any* order is shipped.

Watch shipped orders sit at UPS in Sweden until the gov spending shutdown ends - in December.

Is any other company, like DHL/Fedex, affected? Random checks are for everyone, so everyone should be stuck (i.e. it should be in the news).

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October 15, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
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The only cost might be UPS were already paid and you'd lose $120 on throwing that label in the dustbin.

A label is fully refundable up until the time the UPS driver scans the package. There is no excuse for not offering full refunds as promised up until the time the package is picked up.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I think they should offer refunds up until they ship the customers particular order however you did agree to their terms which stated no refunds once they start shipping and obviously they started shipping...

Shipping is "personal", not "company-wide". It's no refund until *your* order is shipped, not *any* order is shipped.

Edit: unless specified contractually for B2B customers. It doesn't mean companies like BFL aren't abusing the wording...

I stand corrected. I remember seeing the specific terms on the KnC Website but cannot find them anymore. However I did find this

We see no reason why it cant work like that, the only addition I will add is that the refund will be 100% with the order cancelled, We wont be offering a discount/refund and still shipping you the boxes. Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.

Above all else we will be fair.


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I'm only here to promote logic and facts so unless I can stumble upon that specific Refund Policy I saw on the website the above is what I'll go on.
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October 15, 2013, 03:29:37 PM
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Put your bitcoin where your mouth is schmuck.

5BTC says they will not have completed all shipping by 19th.

Held by escrows.

LOL what's your order number again?
Didn't accept my bet. Pathetic. You are all talk. Spineless mouths on the internet.

Coming from the guy who starts talking about diamonds on Saturn when he's called out as a troll? You have zero credibility unless even if you prove you are not a troll. You've been called out and refused to answer.

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October 15, 2013, 03:30:21 PM
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The only cost might be UPS were already paid and you'd lose $120 on throwing that label in the dustbin.

A label is fully refundable up until the time the UPS driver scans the package. There is no excuse for not offering full refunds as promised up until the time the package is picked up.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I think they should offer refunds up until they ship the customers particular order however you did agree to their terms which stated no refunds once they start shipping and obviously they started shipping...

Shipping is "personal", not "company-wide". It's no refund until *your* order is shipped, not *any* order is shipped.

Watch shipped orders sit at UPS in Sweden until the gov spending shutdown ends - in December.

Is any other company, like DHL/Fedex, affected? Random checks are for everyone, so everyone should be stuck (i.e. it should be in the news).

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October 15, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
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All of my orders have now been changed from PAID to IN PROGRESS.


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45XX   In progress

45XX   In progress   

36XX   In progress   

17XX   In progress   


Did all of them change just now, or were some already "in progress"

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October 15, 2013, 03:31:17 PM
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Put your bitcoin where your mouth is schmuck.

5BTC says they will not have completed all shipping by 19th.

Held by escrows.

LOL what's your order number again?
Didn't accept my bet. Pathetic. You are all talk. Spineless mouths on the internet.

Coming from the guy who starts talking about diamonds on Saturn when he's called out as a troll? You have zero credibility unless even if you prove you are not a troll. You've been called out and refused to answer.

I've called out orama on about 15 things in the last week and he refuses to answer anything. Monkey see, monkey do.

Once he has gone through and answered them all in detail, I will actually provide my order number(s).

So get on his case if you want resolution.

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October 15, 2013, 03:34:27 PM
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All of my orders have now been changed from PAID to IN PROGRESS.


#   Status      


45XX   In progress

45XX   In progress   

36XX   In progress   

17XX   In progress   


Did all of them change just now, or were some already "in progress"

Not OP but just a few hours ago, my order 29xx was "In Progress" since late last week, whereas 42xx was "Paid"

Both now in "In Progress" status

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October 15, 2013, 03:41:01 PM
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The only cost might be UPS were already paid and you'd lose $120 on throwing that label in the dustbin.

A label is fully refundable up until the time the UPS driver scans the package. There is no excuse for not offering full refunds as promised up until the time the package is picked up.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I think they should offer refunds up until they ship the customers particular order however you did agree to their terms which stated no refunds once they start shipping and obviously they started shipping...

Shipping is "personal", not "company-wide". It's no refund until *your* order is shipped, not *any* order is shipped.

Edit: unless specified contractually for B2B customers. It doesn't mean companies like BFL aren't abusing the wording...

I stand corrected. I remember seeing the specific terms on the KnC Website but cannot find them anymore. However I did find this

We see no reason why it cant work like that, the only addition I will add is that the refund will be 100% with the order cancelled, We wont be offering a discount/refund and still shipping you the boxes. Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.

Above all else we will be fair.


Sam

I'm only here to promote logic and facts so unless I can stumble upon that specific Refund Policy I saw on the website the above is what I'll go on.

They changed the T&Cs, so it's hard to say what was in them at the time (unless s.o. has a copy).

(I wasn't "correcting" you, it was just a general statement, sorry it appeared as such)

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October 15, 2013, 03:42:39 PM
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As an aside, their shipping page (https://www.kncminer.com/pages/shipping) is a nice 404.

And their bank is the (SS) ESSESESS. No wonder it's sinking... (movie ref Smiley )

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October 15, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
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I've just been offered the option to cancel my OCTOBER delivery orders (end of the queue, at this moment still showing "paid") for a full refund. Or i can wait "few more days" to be built and shipped with no further compensations.
Simply because KNC finally dropped that imperative and annoying "NO REFUNDS" made me take a decision.

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October 15, 2013, 03:50:20 PM
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I've just been offered the option to cancel my OCTOBER delivery orders (end of the queue, at this moment still showing "paid") for a full refund. Or i can wait "few more days" to be built and shipped with no further compensations.
Simply because KNC finally dropped that imperative and annoying "NO REFUNDS" made me take a decision.

Was this by individual email? An alternative might be to ask for November pricing and be placed at the start of the November queue. Would be interested in that as an option myself.

Bitcoinorama, it is quite important that an official statement is issued on this. Don't want another BFL vs Paypal fiasco, with some getting different options from others.

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"Was this by individual email?"

Yes, from KNC support.

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October 15, 2013, 04:02:37 PM
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Code:
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wht is that?

many hours past and not update state ups

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October 15, 2013, 04:03:41 PM
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"Was this by individual email?"

Yes, from KNC support.

So what did you choose? Refund or wait?

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October 15, 2013, 04:05:49 PM
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"Was this by individual email?"

Yes, from KNC support.

So what did you choose? Refund or wait?

I'll wait.

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October 15, 2013, 04:07:44 PM
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I've just been offered the option to cancel my OCTOBER delivery orders (end of the queue, at this moment still showing "paid") for a full refund. Or i can wait "few more days" to be built and shipped with no further compensations.
Simply because KNC finally dropped that imperative and annoying "NO REFUNDS" made me take a decision.

If they are now offering refunds for October, that tells me they are further behind than they care to admit.  My guess is it will take more than just "a few days".
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October 15, 2013, 04:10:30 PM
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I've just been offered the option to cancel my OCTOBER delivery orders (end of the queue, at this moment still showing "paid") for a full refund. Or i can wait "few more days" to be built and shipped with no further compensations.
Simply because KNC finally dropped that imperative and annoying "NO REFUNDS" made me take a decision.

If they are now offering refunds for October, that tells me they are further behind than they care to admit.  My guess is it will take more than just "a few days".

Maybe, but at least now I will only be able to blame myself for my potential financial loss, not KNC for refusing refunds. It's a lot less frustrating to think that way... I think Smiley

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