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October 14, 2013, 03:38:54 PM
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sure you're right it's not that the hashrate fall down to zero and stay there for 10 mins.

it's a lot less problematic than this.

the problem is that it happens not only when your pool find a block, but every time someone find a block, be it one of the million active pools or a solo miner. this happens quite frequently.

Actually this happens about every 10 mins, well more like 7 with the hashrates lately, on a regular pool or solo mining.  P2pool issues 30 sec work, so the effect is much greater.  It would still benefit all miners if they handled work restarts more efficiently, and every little bit helps with current hashrate increases.  I think it flushes when new diff work is sent also, so setting a static diff on the pool helps, instead of letting the pool adjust the diff.

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October 14, 2013, 03:42:04 PM
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got tracking number today, #16xx paid 10th June Smiley day 2

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October 14, 2013, 03:42:11 PM
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Alright. So did Day 1 and Day 2 customers get more than 7 days to "hold their order" spot and pay later and still be ahead of others? (me)

This I am unsure of, I know they definitely had a set period of time to pay in order to hold that position. From what I recall there was a little drama over the way this was handled but that passed.

I believe it was only 7-10 days to make a payment (something about wire transfers etc...)
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October 14, 2013, 03:42:32 PM
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Got a tracking number this morning for my day 2 Jupiter paid on June 10th. Package has not yet arrived at the UPS facility but is scheduled to be delivered on the 16th to the US.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Wait, day 2 is not a June 10 paid order, someone correct me?

I paid the 9th and am not a "day 2 order" - on top of that i'm still sitting "in progress".

"Shipping in order of payment my ass."  Roll Eyes

June 10th was the last day to pay and still hold your pre-order queue spot.  Once all "Day 2" orders are processed, it is strictly by pay date after that.  Order number are irrelevant btw.  People should be posting their "pay dates" as they get tracking numbers so we can see where KNC is at in the queue.
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October 14, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
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For the record:

Order #17XX - Paid on 6/9/13 - Status: In Progress (over a week)

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We are working through the order queue as quickly as possible based on the payment dates of the orders. As soon as your order is fully produced and shipped a tracking number will be sent to the email address which was used to register for your account.

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They held off shipping to fix the "Caps blowing" issue. Your unit was likely getting assembled when they made this call.

Haven't heard many more stories about the caps blowing other than Anti-KnC people claiming the boxes blow up and cause nuclear fallout (lol) so shouldn't be much longer.
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October 14, 2013, 03:52:04 PM
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I paid June 25 and went to "In Progress" several days ago. My guess is that they just set all orders that were supposed to be shipped out by the 15th to "In Progress". Does anyone know what the pay date is of the orders that are being shipped out now?

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October 14, 2013, 04:05:08 PM
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Does anyone know what the pay date is of the orders that are being shipped out now?

It appears they are still working on the pre-order queue. Once they are finished with the day 2 orders they will start working by pay date. No one has confirmed a tracking number past a day 2 order yet. 

I paid June 25 and went to "In Progress" several days ago. My guess is that they just set all orders that were supposed to be shipped out by the 15th to "In Progress".

I have orders that are supposed to be delivered by the 15th but they are not even in-progress yet.  My guess is that in-progress means they are building your unit. They are likely building them in order by pay date.
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October 14, 2013, 04:07:11 PM
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With the skyrocketing hashrate, the need to have a huge miner farm to mine effectively, and the excessive cost of  miners, one might compare such an investment to buying a Segway to collect deposit soda cans off the roadside and expect to pay off the debt faster than interest on the loan needed to buy the Segway.



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October 14, 2013, 04:11:35 PM
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No one has confirmed a tracking number past a day 2 order yet. 

I have, my previous post. I am not day one nor day two, but paid on the 4th, and I got my tracking number now though its stage is only that the label has been printed the item is ready for UPS to go pick it up.

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October 14, 2013, 04:16:28 PM
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No one has confirmed a tracking number past a day 2 order yet. 

I have, my previous post. I am not day one nor day two, but paid on the 4th, and I got my tracking number now though its stage is only that the label has been printed the item is ready for UPS to go pick it up.

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Awesome!  Looks like we are finally past the pre-order queue and working on June 4th pay date.
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October 14, 2013, 04:26:26 PM
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With the skyrocketing hashrate, the need to have a huge miner farm to mine effectively, and the excessive cost of  miners, one might compare such an investment to buying a Segway to collect deposit soda cans off the roadside and expect to pay off the debt faster than interest on the loan needed to buy the Segway.

Borrowing money to buy a miner would be the height of foolishness.

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October 14, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
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For the record:

Order #17XX - Paid on 6/9/13 - Status: In Progress (over a week)

With generic reply when asking about this (last week, reply recieved today)

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We are working through the order queue as quickly as possible based on the payment dates of the orders. As soon as your order is fully produced and shipped a tracking number will be sent to the email address which was used to register for your account.

Regards,
Liam

They held off shipping to fix the "Caps blowing" issue. Your unit was likely getting assembled when they made this call.

Haven't heard many more stories about the caps blowing other than Anti-KnC people claiming the boxes blow up and cause nuclear fallout (lol) so shouldn't be much longer.

Yes, and it's the power supply's fault - or is it?  Designed to have a motherboard connected to the motherboard connector; a simple 2 pin jumper is commonly used instead; startup current is ramped up until voltage is attained; capacitors charged from a voltage take 5 time constants and 70.7% of the voltage is reached the first time constant so it way not linear but charge a capacitor with a constant current source and you get a perfectly straight charge plot right up to full voltage so a constant current source is used to charge a capacitor creating a linear ramp that they track increasing the output voltage until it's at the required voltage.  That capacitor charged from a constant current source does not have to reach 12 volts or even 3.3 volts, it can be a ramp from 0 to 1 volt and can be tracked to control the ramping up of current on the 12 volt line.  If the ramp is a capacitor charged from a constant current source on the 3.3 volt line, which has no load output load on the 3.3v line because a jumper is used on the motherboard connector and only the 5 volt and the 12 volt power supplly lines are used, then when you shut down the power supply and disconnect the connectors from the miner, the 3.3volts might remain on the 3.3 volt line of the motherboard connector and it the discharge of the capacitor with the ramped voltage depends on the 3.3v rail going to ground to reset the power supply wake-up 12 volt ramp current, then it's possible to plug that supply back in, flip on the on/off switch and hit the miner with un-ramped current, full current at wakeup, on the 12 volt line and in that instant the voltage goes way beyond 12 vdc.



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October 14, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
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With the skyrocketing hashrate, the need to have a huge miner farm to mine effectively, and the excessive cost of  miners, one might compare such an investment to buying a Segway to collect deposit soda cans off the roadside and expect to pay off the debt faster than interest on the loan needed to buy the Segway.

Borrowing money to buy a miner would be the height of foolishness.

Depends on your expected return and the "strength" of your prediction.

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October 14, 2013, 04:44:25 PM
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For the record:

Order #17XX - Paid on 6/9/13 - Status: In Progress (over a week)

With generic reply when asking about this (last week, reply recieved today)

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We are working through the order queue as quickly as possible based on the payment dates of the orders. As soon as your order is fully produced and shipped a tracking number will be sent to the email address which was used to register for your account.

Regards,
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They held off shipping to fix the "Caps blowing" issue. Your unit was likely getting assembled when they made this call.

Haven't heard many more stories about the caps blowing other than Anti-KnC people claiming the boxes blow up and cause nuclear fallout (lol) so shouldn't be much longer.

Yes, and it's the power supply's fault - or is it?  Designed to have a motherboard connected to the motherboard connector; a simple 2 pin jumper is commonly used instead; startup current is ramped up until voltage is attained; capacitors charged from a voltage take 5 time constants and 70.7% of the voltage is reached the first time constant so it way not linear but charge a capacitor with a constant current source and you get a perfectly straight charge plot right up to full voltage so a constant current source is used to charge a capacitor creating a linear ramp that they track increasing the output voltage until it's at the required voltage.  That capacitor charged from a constant current source does not have to reach 12 volts or even 3.3 volts, it can be a ramp from 0 to 1 volt and can be tracked to control the ramping up of current on the 12 volt line.  If the ramp is a capacitor charged from a constant current source on the 3.3 volt line, which has no load output load on the 3.3v line because a jumper is used on the motherboard connector and only the 5 volt and the 12 volt power supplly lines are used, then when you shut down the power supply and disconnect the connectors from the miner, the 3.3volts might remain on the 3.3 volt line of the motherboard connector and it the discharge of the capacitor with the ramped voltage depends on the 3.3v rail going to ground to reset the power supply wake-up 12 volt ramp current, then it's possible to plug that supply back in, flip on the on/off switch and hit the miner with un-ramped current, full current at wakeup, on the 12 volt line and in that instant the voltage goes way beyond 12 vdc.

They can take a power supply, a 2 pins jumper, and a test miner, add 3.3v to the 3.3v line on the motherboard connector with a couple of AA batteries, run the miner, shut it down, disconnect the turned off miner leaving the 3.3 battery volts between the 3.3v and ground on the mb connector, reconnect the power supply to the miner, flip on the power supply and look to see if a miner capacitor goes BANG.

Hell, if I were in the lab I say build a test rig with a peak detector on the 12vdc line and the battery 3.3v on the mb connector the test one of every major brand of power supply to see what the restart peak is on the 12vdc line.



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October 14, 2013, 04:46:56 PM
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Anyone amongst saturns owners  would mind to check beagleboard system load using uptime command from a ssh session?

I have a theory that implies that the lower perf someone get on jupiters configuration is also due to some "bugs" present in cgminer driver developed by knc that makes the system waste resources in I/O waiting.


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October 14, 2013, 04:47:24 PM
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update for those that care..  I was able to get my dormant VRM running again and the ASIC chip now uses that die's 48 cores.  I believe is was a bit of lucky steps since I had that board on the near side of the a/c vent for a change and it was being chilled pretty cold while off for 30 minutes while I was testing 'mercury' & 'saturn' configurations with the other three.  Then on next start up of that board back in jupiter mode it came alive.  coincidence?  doubt it


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October 14, 2013, 04:50:00 PM
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For the record:

Order #17XX - Paid on 6/9/13 - Status: In Progress (over a week)

With generic reply when asking about this (last week, reply recieved today)

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We are working through the order queue as quickly as possible based on the payment dates of the orders. As soon as your order is fully produced and shipped a tracking number will be sent to the email address which was used to register for your account.

Regards,
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They held off shipping to fix the "Caps blowing" issue. Your unit was likely getting assembled when they made this call.

Haven't heard many more stories about the caps blowing other than Anti-KnC people claiming the boxes blow up and cause nuclear fallout (lol) so shouldn't be much longer.

Yes, and it's the power supply's fault - or is it?  Designed to have a motherboard connected to the motherboard connector; a simple 2 pin jumper is commonly used instead; startup current is ramped up until voltage is attained; capacitors charged from a voltage take 5 time constants and 70.7% of the voltage is reached the first time constant so it way not linear but charge a capacitor with a constant current source and you get a perfectly straight charge plot right up to full voltage so a constant current source is used to charge a capacitor creating a linear ramp that they track increasing the output voltage until it's at the required voltage.  That capacitor charged from a constant current source does not have to reach 12 volts or even 3.3 volts, it can be a ramp from 0 to 1 volt and can be tracked to control the ramping up of current on the 12 volt line.  If the ramp is a capacitor charged from a constant current source on the 3.3 volt line, which has no load output load on the 3.3v line because a jumper is used on the motherboard connector and only the 5 volt and the 12 volt power supplly lines are used, then when you shut down the power supply and disconnect the connectors from the miner, the 3.3volts might remain on the 3.3 volt line of the motherboard connector and it the discharge of the capacitor with the ramped voltage depends on the 3.3v rail going to ground to reset the power supply wake-up 12 volt ramp current, then it's possible to plug that supply back in, flip on the on/off switch and hit the miner with un-ramped current, full current at wakeup, on the 12 volt line and in that instant the voltage goes way beyond 12 vdc.

They can take a power supply, a 2 pins jumper, and a test miner, add 3.3v to the 3.3v line on the motherboard connector with a couple of AA batteries, run the miner, shut it down, disconnect the turned off miner leaving the 3.3 battery volts between the 3.3v and ground on the mb connector, reconnect the power supply to the miner, flip on the power supply and look to see if a miner capacitor goes BANG.

Hell, if I were in the lab I say build a test rig with a peak detector on the 12vdc line and the battery 3.3v on the mb connector the test one of every major brand of power supply to see what the restart peak is on the 12vdc line.
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October 14, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
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With the skyrocketing hashrate, the need to have a huge miner farm to mine effectively, and the excessive cost of  miners, one might compare such an investment to buying a Segway to collect deposit soda cans off the roadside and expect to pay off the debt faster than interest on the loan needed to buy the Segway.

Borrowing money to buy a miner would be the height of foolishness.

borrowing money to buy btc directly I think makes a lot more sense at this point.

People with November orders should seriously consider getting out unless KnC plans to do something for them.  Three more difficulty changes away before November people get their orders and the diff is looking like it will hit 450 million.

EDIT:  And according to what Sam just said to the guy being quoted below me...looks like that answer is "nothing will be done" for customers.
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October 14, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
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Well, so much for customer service. I just got an answer from Sam regarding compensation and he basically told me to screw myself.

basically...?

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Here you go:

First I’m sorry you feel the need to send such messages.
 
Secondly I will add that you will not receive any compensation for what you consider late delivery. Under the terms of sale you  agreed to. It’s clearly stated that delivery dates are for information only and are non-binding. We are still going to deliver your miners as fast as we can but we are not going to give compensation for any loses you think you have incurred.  
I may also draw your attention to the fact that you have agreed to a business to business purchase not a business to consumer purchase.


And I hope you drew to Sam's attention the interview he did for Bitcoin Insider - MONTHS after the KNC T&C's were written:
https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/e45-perspective-counts-lets

Where he said, and I quote:

"We're selling to the general public"
"We are selling fully functional devices, that anyone can come and buy"


I mean, I wouldn't necessarily call him a liar to his face, but if the cap fits and he wants to play dirty...

I'm beginning to believe that Sam and his henchmen will says anything to make sales and believe they can get away with it. We'll see

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October 14, 2013, 05:31:07 PM
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Well, so much for customer service. I just got an answer from Sam regarding compensation and he basically told me to screw myself.

basically...?

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Here you go:

First I’m sorry you feel the need to send such messages.
 
Secondly I will add that you will not receive any compensation for what you consider late delivery. Under the terms of sale you  agreed to. It’s clearly stated that delivery dates are for information only and are non-binding. We are still going to deliver your miners as fast as we can but we are not going to give compensation for any loses you think you have incurred. 
I may also draw your attention to the fact that you have agreed to a business to business purchase not a business to consumer purchase.

That is the gist of it.



I'd be more interested in the email you sent to him for him to come to this reply hah
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