Phoenix1969
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September 02, 2013, 08:20:50 PM |
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...so, quite all of you are saying that I should finalize my two june KNC pre-orders (1 Jupiter + 1 Saturn), both #15xx orders ;P ;P ;P ?!?!?!?!?! It isn't right?!?!?  cheers!!!  -anykeywhy- Unfilled pre-orders are not valid anymore. You had a bit over a week to do that in June. My orders are still valid and in the order number queue... (plus: as KNC stated, they also have can satisfy other added orders in-time..) If you have any SURE/VERIFIED news, please report it back and I will thank you!  cheers! If you buy now your order will be shipping in mid-November. Yeah, the order Que is by pay date, not order number, lol.... but to answer his original question, yeah, I'd still get it. |
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Anenome5
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September 02, 2013, 08:22:05 PM |
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I honestly don't think KNC will have all these preorders filled by end of October. I haven't seen a Knc Asic chip yet, and it is already going on September. They'd have to have everything lined up just right if they expect to get chips installed on the board without any issues and everything communicating right. Not to mention to assemble all these units and then ship out all these orders by end of October, they'd need one hell of a team.
Without seeing a chip already, I'd be surprised if they'd even have a physical prototype ready by Oct 1st.
Here, make some money on your doubts: Bitbet: KnCMiner will deliver ASIC devices before October 1st |
Democracy is the original 51% attack.
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Anenome5
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September 02, 2013, 08:26:12 PM |
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You can already set some wallets to display in default mBTC, so that's really a non-issue. It's something you'd get used to actually really quickly.
I like scientific notation... vote for all transactions denominated in Satoshi, DecaSatoshi, HectoSatoshi, KiloSatoshi, MegaSatoshi, GigaSatoshi... etc. A single bitcoin is 100 Megasatoshi (or 10 BTC is 1 GigaSatoshi). Though I think since there are only 21 Million BTC ever, we don't need to go higher than PetaSatoshi. Hmm... Maybe I have to cut down on the decongestants... damn allergies. Lol, I like it ^_^ |
Democracy is the original 51% attack.
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Anenome5
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September 02, 2013, 08:29:21 PM |
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Now as far for the chips, i think they have them already but due to the high production / development costs
They are not showing it yet, because other MF could copy the basic design of the chips and they don't want that.
Maybe im talking bullshit big time here so lets call this my personal speculation (@ least an optimistic one) :-)
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It's not that they have the chips--they were never going to have the chips. The chips are manufactured in China and immediately shipped to the next production house that will package and install them. That's the likely scenario. So why are they not showing chips? Because they didn't receive engineering samples--this was a rocket run, they've got no test units at all. There's no chips to show, even though by now they've undoubtedly already been produced and are probably, at this very moment, being shipped somewhere for the next stage of production. The chips undoubtedly exist right now, somewhere in the world--they taped out weeks ago. But even KNC cannot get their hands on one of them. |
Democracy is the original 51% attack.
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timmmers
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September 02, 2013, 08:54:52 PM |
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Maybe the chips won't ever leave china? Cheaper and faster to send a guy there to test, then crack on with production there? I've not seen anything official mention them being assembled in Sweden, and I'd bet there's some factories over there about perfect for the job.
That slogan on their boards should have been, "Chips. Do you want to know more?"
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klee
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September 02, 2013, 08:57:43 PM |
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Just pray KnC won't suffer loses in customs the way Avalon did  |
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DyslexicZombei
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September 02, 2013, 08:59:46 PM |
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So what do you guys think of KnC's new updated pricing:
400GH/s at $5K
200GH/s at $3K
Supposedly shipping Nov. 15. I like these prices and price points. I'm thinking there's going to be a whole new slew of KnC Group Buys targeting these models.
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eraziel
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September 02, 2013, 09:03:59 PM |
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I personally think that people should calm the fuck down and stop paying real money for vaporware.
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September 02, 2013, 09:07:36 PM |
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Just pray KnC won't suffer loses in customs the way Avalon did You have to include your VAT number at placing an order. European products are also probably cheaper in taxes than non-european products. So as an european, i don't worry much about the taxes or customs. I do wonder for our American friends how this will come out to p(l)ay xD |
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timmmers
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September 02, 2013, 09:19:04 PM |
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I personally think that people should calm the fuck down and stop paying real money for vaporware.
Why? How does it benefit you if they do? Have you signed up for the new BFL referal scheme, where they give you a rig for every 10 KnC rigs you put people off buying ? |
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MrHempstock
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"Don't worry. My career died after Batman, too."
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September 02, 2013, 09:41:11 PM |
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I personally think that people should calm the fuck down and stop paying real money for vaporware.
Thread to be officially renamed "Personal thoughts on Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com" |
BTCitcointalk 1%ers manipulate the currency and deceive its user community.
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anykeywhy
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September 02, 2013, 09:52:49 PM |
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I personally think that people should calm the fuck down and stop paying real money for vaporware.
Why? How does it benefit you if they do? Have you signed up for the new BFL referal scheme, where they give you a rig for every 10 KnC rigs you put people off buying ? He wants you to buy vaporware with fake money. lulz! |
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Anenome5
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September 02, 2013, 11:52:12 PM |
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Just pray KnC won't suffer loses in customs the way Avalon did You have to include your VAT number at placing an order. European products are also probably cheaper in taxes than non-european products. So as an european, i don't worry much about the taxes or customs. I do wonder for our American friends how this will come out to p(l)ay xD He's referring to Avalon's chips being delayed months, ostensibly because someone made them a better offer and held them up at customs for literally weeks, conveniently allowing enough time for another run to be pushed through the fab, destroying the profits of the chip buyers. Anyway, US buyers don't pay VAT. VAT must eating into your guys's profits considerably tho :< |
Democracy is the original 51% attack.
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Biomech
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September 03, 2013, 12:07:00 AM |
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And to think, on Star Trek they meet strange aliens from different galaxies and instantly understand every word they say. lol
That's because on Star Trek the aliens aren't cognitively impaired. Well, most of the time. See the TNG episode "Darmok" for an exception. They have a universal translator that actually works. Lovely how we can do that with fiction, eh? |
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Ytterbium
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September 03, 2013, 12:40:26 AM |
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Now as far for the chips, i think they have them already but due to the high production / development costs
They are not showing it yet, because other MF could copy the basic design of the chips and they don't want that.
Maybe im talking bullshit big time here so lets call this my personal speculation (@ least an optimistic one) :-)
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It's not that they have the chips--they were never going to have the chips. The chips are manufactured in China and immediately shipped to the next production house that will package and install them. That's the likely scenario. So why are they not showing chips? Because they didn't receive engineering samples--this was a rocket run, they've got no test units at all. There's no chips to show, even though by now they've undoubtedly already been produced and are probably, at this very moment, being shipped somewhere for the next stage of production. The chips undoubtedly exist right now, somewhere in the world--they taped out weeks ago. But even KNC cannot get their hands on one of them. They taped out months ago. Tapeout is just when you send your files to the fab (used to be on magnetic tape). The chips take a long time to physically produce and go through the fab's system. It's actually unlikely this was done as a bullet run. The chips may or may not be finished. They could still be 'growing' inside the fab's vacuum chambers. Or maybe the wafers are finished and they're being packaged. Once they're packaged, they'll be mounted on boards and those boards will be put inside the cases, and those cases will be shipped out to customers. KnC will have the chips for only a short period of time. |
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September 03, 2013, 12:43:20 AM |
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Maybe the chips won't ever leave china? Cheaper and faster to send a guy there to test, then crack on with production there? I've not seen anything official mention them being assembled in Sweden, and I'd bet there's some factories over there about perfect for the job.
That slogan on their boards should have been, "Chips. Do you want to know more?"
The chips aren't being made in China. There are no 28nm fabs in China. TSMC's 28nm fabs are in Taiwan. Also, KnC said the boxes would be assembled in Sweden. I don't know where the chips are going to be mounted on the boards. Could be Taiwan, could be Sweden. It's not likely to be in China. |
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eve
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September 03, 2013, 12:51:30 AM |
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all that doing knc is good but still no asic chip |
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DeathAndTaxes
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September 03, 2013, 12:51:51 AM |
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Maybe the chips won't ever leave china? Cheaper and faster to send a guy there to test, then crack on with production there? I've not seen anything official mention them being assembled in Sweden, and I'd bet there's some factories over there about perfect for the job.
That slogan on their boards should have been, "Chips. Do you want to know more?"
The chips aren't being made in China. There are no 28nm fabs in China. TSMC's 28nm fabs are in Taiwan. Also, KnC said the boxes would be assembled in Sweden. I don't know where the chips are going to be mounted on the boards. Could be Taiwan, could be Sweden. It's not likely to be in China. Also even IF KNC is using a production house in another country they will want the first batch of chips sent directlyto them so they can hand assemble a few boards for testing. Nobody has thousands of boards assembled without testing. It isn't economical to hand build a board but that doesn't mean you can't use a reflow oven and do a half dozen boards by hand to get some prototypes. |
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eve
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September 03, 2013, 01:02:54 AM |
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I honestly don't think KNC will have all these preorders filled by end of October. I haven't seen a Knc Asic chip yet, and it is already going on September. They'd have to have everything lined up just right if they expect to get chips installed on the board without any issues and everything communicating right. Not to mention to assemble all these units and then ship out all these orders by end of October, they'd need one hell of a team.
Without seeing a chip already, I'd be surprised if they'd even have a physical prototype ready by Oct 1st.
Where is your 28nm Asic Chips?News on Slogan, PCU, PSU, Prices, etc.., but nothing on the Chips, Where are the Chips? Still at the Design stage? |
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