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August 26, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
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Ok I will ask for refund and I will see

Jelin1984, how many did you order from KNC, can you show proof of order? I know I could if I had too...minus personal info. of course.

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August 26, 2013, 11:05:20 PM
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KNC are a funny bunch. They won't tell their customers - who have spent millions of dollars - when they expect to deliver. But they will tell some crappy news website Grin

In American industry there are companies that produce products for industry and companies that produce products for the consumer.  The two types of companies are different animals entirely.  Likely similar in Sweden.



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August 26, 2013, 11:23:34 PM
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Miner protection offered by KnC would be a huge plus.

A New Yorker relocated to rural Georgia, I sometimes get surprised at the lengths gone to make money down here.  Cable was new and the local company went out to all the rural homes and ran cable no charge.  Very sloppy but done.  They put in fiber early on which was great.  They wanted no personal routers and to be called in for home networking but of course that didn't fly.  No telling if that was official or just cable guys wanting more work.  Every telephone pole has a ground wire from the inter pole steel cables.  The something like #10 gauge uninsulated copper ran down the pole and grounded the support cable in conjunction with the steel cables to a ground support.  The cable company also used these grounds, clamping in grounds from from their junction boxes strung on the lines.  Those junction boxes hanging in the air under their own support steel cables have #10 copper clamped from one side of the junction box to the other over the junctions providing a lower resistance conductor than the steel cable as just a little better safeguard from lightening surges.  Now every telephone pole has, or had, one of these grounds.  On my property, the home is ~535 feet from the front property line and there are two telephone poles within my fence and one on the road outside my fence.  I get my cable from an office in a town 17 miles south.  When there's a problem they farm out the troubleshooting to a private electric company in Alabama.  The cable company's own trucks do major work however.  Mowing my lawn along the road this year my mower got caught in some #10 wire, uninsulated, lying in the grass a few feet from the roadside telephone pole.  It had been cut from the pole about a foot from the ground to about 5 feet from the ground, a 4 foot gap.  I immediately suspected an antisocial neighbor but then I noticed other poles on the road also had the ground cut in the same manner.  Jogging 5k south and back I noticed the telephone poles there also had the grounds cut.  I wrote to the cable company and the power company.  The cable company sent somebody from Alabama who called his boss then handed me the phone whence I was told they weren't going to replace the cut ground.  They said that the other poles on my property all had grounds.  What this does, removing the grounds on telephone poles along the road, is to reduce the number of paths to ground for the energy of a lightening strike increasing the damage radius.  This was either done officially by the power or cable company, like arguing the grounds increased the likelihood of a lightening strike (but removing the ground wires increasing their repair calls thus giving them statistics for higher rates) or by the workers of the private Alabama company that services the area so they'd have increased service calls and make more money.  Particularly, the unpopulated areas without power transformers for non-existant homes or cable, why remove the grounds there except to have a higher probability of lightening energy out there traveling to populated areas causing damage.  So, yes, some kind of insurance policy by KnCMiner would be nice.

I remember years ago a tow truck company got nailed for pouring oil on a something like a bridge entrance ramp so as to drum up business.

So today I'm thinking about the possibility of my Mercury getting fried from lightening.  I recall a Presario that was destroyed by lightening.  The RJ-45 was molten copper at the motherboard.  The power in jack was blackened.  The power brick was dead.  Here in the US a home will usually have two phases of 120VAC relative to neutral and neutral is tied to ground in the service and then ground to a ground-rod driven into the ground properly at the service and the service has only those two phases coming in from the electric utility.  Perhaps the power company asked the cable company to pay a fee for connecting to their ground, was refused and got cut.  So, the jolt of lightening came in via the cable, thru the cable modem to the RJ-45 ethernet connection, out the power-in jack thru the power brick trying to get to neutral in the 120VAC outlet which is tied to ground in the service.  If the computer was using Wifi it wouldn't have fried. They should call it WhyFry.  So, I was thinking about my Mercury.  Since it has an operating system I'd need do something like take a laptop and configure its RJ-45 as the downlink of a router and the laptop's wifi as the uplink.  My very first router was an older system with multiple ethernet cards running either Slink or Potato.  That I recall was not for me an easy thing to do.  I wonder if it's any easier with Wheezy.  I'd probably take a communication penalty in metrics.



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August 26, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?


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August 26, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
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The problem here at forum is that some people fight with other people and not fight with the factories which had take our moneys
Nobody can roi with knc miners
If these miners deliveried at end of September the good scenario
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August 26, 2013, 11:51:59 PM
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The problem here at forum is that some people fight with other people and not fight with the factories which had take our moneys
Nobody can roi with knc miners
If these miners deliveried at end of September the good scenario
You don't know that, you have no idea what the BTC price will be at the end of September, nobody does.

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The problem here at forum is that some people fight with other people and not fight with the factories which had take our moneys
Nobody can roi with knc miners
If these miners deliveried at end of September the good scenario
Why would I want to "Fight" a factory that's holding to every promise & spec they uttered to customers?
What do you mean when you say...
"Nobody can ROI with KNC miners"?
Show us the data you came up with please, because with every calc, I see KNC miners better than the rest.
Site your claim, or go have a long message by a beautiful woman or something.
Simply stating something so obviously contrary to current calcs & information doesn't convince anybody, you gotta site a reason, and show it.... So PLEASE do so.
I don't like calling people retards & other names because it just spreads anger. Of course October isn't as good as September, a Caveman can see that, but I'm seeing everything is okay, even if I got all my machines dead last in October.
So Please...Just Man-up... Show us the DATA.


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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.



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You don't know that, you have no idea what the BTC price will be at the end of September, nobody does.
The BTC price doesn't matter very much. It only affects the price of electricity in Bitcoins. Otherwise, everything else stays the same. You do the ROI calculation in Bitcoins and you compare buying a miner to buying Bitcoins directly.

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You don't know that, you have no idea what the BTC price will be at the end of September, nobody does.
The BTC price doesn't matter very much. It only affects the price of electricity in Bitcoins. Otherwise, everything else stays the same. You do the ROI calculation in Bitcoins you compare buying a miner to buying Bitcoins directly.

Only if you want to distort the calculation, KCNminer price their products in $USD not BTC therefore the ROI must also be calculated in USD.
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i will make also a company
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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?
The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.
aaaah, I see the light. We need 802.11 on the miner side for it to work... like being plugged into a laptop to access the router thru wi-fi, but It would indeed be better to native on the miner. Hmm, or even if we could plug a wi-fi dongle into the usb port of the miner, would be excellent added protection. Wonder if the linux device will do it... It is an OS after all, maybe we can...  This warrants further investigation...  

PS, I just PM'd KNC asking about it...


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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

It's probably too late to add a mini-pci slot to the board.



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August 27, 2013, 12:39:37 AM
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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available

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Wow..  Just Freaking Wow..

So glad I got out just in the nick of time..



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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available
Okay, yes, something like this will work and protect against lightening damage via ethernet.



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August 27, 2013, 12:53:41 AM
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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available
Okay, yes, something like this will work and protect against lightening damage via ethernet.
yes IF the miner is designed for it.


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August 27, 2013, 01:27:20 AM
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yes IF the miner is designed for it.

What do you mean "designed for it"?  As far as the miner is concerned it is Ethernet (100BaseTX).  There is nothing special the miner has to do or be "designed for".  The miner has no idea (nor does it care) that downstream of the bridge packets are traveling over a wireless link, a copper link, a sonar link, a tin can link, or smoke signal link.  It sends Ethernet (100BaseTX) packets and gets back Ethernet packets.  That is the whole point.
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August 27, 2013, 01:33:21 AM
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an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available
Okay, yes, something like this will work and protect against lightening damage via ethernet.
yes IF the miner is designed for it.
I'm sure the AP is DHCP capable as will be the miner.



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August 27, 2013, 01:38:09 AM
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yes IF the miner is designed for it.

What do you mean designed for it?  As far as the miner is concerned it is Ethernet.  Nothing special that it has to be designed for.  The miner has no idea (nor does it care) that downstream packets are traveling over a wireless link, a copper link, a sonar link, a tin can link, or smoke signal link.  It sends Ethernet (100BaseTX) packets and gets back Ethernet packets.  That is the whole point.
Hmm, after a momentary lapse of reason... I think you'r absolutely correct.. If it can navigate to the web on an RJ45 connection, it shouldn't care if there is a wireless connection downstream or not.
So, with that in mind, I think we'll need a wifi router on each side? The cable/internet provider gives you one with the service, which doesnt care what wifi device is connecting, but in our case, it will be another wifi router, hardwired to the miner, instead of a dongle or built in wifi...  
Am I on the same page now?


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