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Introducing Bitcoin on TRON
We’re excited to be the first to support Bitcoin on TRON (BTCTRON) today! Starting now, Poloniex customers can use our new Swap feature to exchange their Bitcoin to BTCTRON for free directly from within their Poloniex Wallet. BTCTRON is a type of wrapped Bitcoin token that exists on the TRON blockchain.

But...  Whatever for?

as always: to lure folks into new Ponzinomics adventures.
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October 05, 2020, 12:24:14 PM

Oi. Most times trading the cow for magic beans does not work well.....

Can’t... resist...

– Boyfriend doesn't have enough money, so he trades GF for 1 BTC.

Clearly sometimes, it works well.  Reminds me of margin trading.

Can I borrow your girlfriend on margin to short her?

Mmmm, 100x leverage.

 Pro tip: Go long  Grin
 
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I did merit this post because I think the idea expressed has some plausibility.
but...
I strongly oppose the the highlighted part. it is cheap to demand jail for folks you don't know personally. the problem is that for someone this may become very personal. I was put in jail on several occasions mainly for political reasons fighting against and also breaking drug laws. jail is a serious matter. it is a very archaic punishment. to be locked into a small cell is a shocking experience.
you cannot go anywhere anymore and this has power to break your back. they wanted to lock me up for 10 years during my latest trial. the law that they used to press the charges in my case was not even anti-drug law but regarded pharmacy. the European High Court had to step in and declare the prosecutor's and court's strategy unconstitutional. the incident was more than a decade ago but the the trial is still not resolved.  for several years this 10 yer sentence was hanging above my life like a Damocles sword. with wife and kids this ain't no fun and gave me serious insights and learning experience regarding jail, police, punishment etc.  my take is that jail should be exclusively for violent crimes. not at all for drug related stuff. and scamming greedy gamblers is not on my list of things that I want the U.S. jail system to the care of. I have no clue if and to what extend Hayes did steal his customers money. if he did, a fair trial would be ok to call out for.  is there evidence that he did?  
And so it is understandable why the US government is so openly spitting on the interests of its own people. By the time of the elections, our votes will not decide anything, and accordingly they will cost nothing. And these puppets (if they do everything right now in the interests of corporations) have a chance to get a warm place in the future territorial entity.
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October 05, 2020, 12:51:25 PM

... this is a better idea than sea-steading, or better version of it rather. I've wondered why this hasn't been considered in the past as there already exists a community of 'international' citizens that cruise the world continuously, albeit generally retired.
With all the cruise industry liners sitting idle due to CoVid there will be some bargains coming on the market. You could design a moving city by lashing together a fleet of them that slowly rotates around the world on some schedule or another, maybe with the ocean gyre currents and drops anchor outside welcoming nations for commerce and trade occasionally. Then you could lash on an oil tanker to up the range for the fleet, or a container vessel and barge for commercial/industrial activities/ The engineering is already done, the modules are already built, they call them big boats.

^ Got yourself a vacant cruise ship (conveniently already registered in a tax haven)?

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Wow, are you serious? That's a bit bigger than a seastead. Is it this actual one that you are refitting to be bitcoin-oriented?


Sounds like an interesting venture, Elwar. Congrats! Any timeshare presentations we can attend to check it out for a few nights free?

Yep, that is a render of the actual ship we purchased (which we are not allowed to name) refitted with our logos.

245 meters long, 777 cabins.

Cabins starting at $25,000. The auction for the rooms starts November 5th.

https://ocean.builders/cruiseship

We'll be accepting bitcoin at all businesses on the ship.

The problem with buying a cruise ship has usually been about the cost. COVID allowed us to get a good deal but that won't last forever.

Our plan is to have it anchored about 30 minutes from Panama City further conserving costs by not burning much fuel.
Near the ship we will put a barge or cargo ship to act as a floating factory to build other floating structures such as Ocean Builders SeaPods and floating islands.
It makes sense to try such floating living close to shore first without jumping straight to 200nm out. Living on the water gives some small freedoms we don't have on shore but also comes with other maritime laws we don't have on land. We will need to build communities to benefit from the new system in ways we do not now know.

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Cruise ship living sounds expensive as shit... but what do I know...

If you were to have the level of hospitality that cruises offer on land it would be expensive as well. We will have to prepare people for the reality that this isn't a vacation, this is your home where you work and pay for your own meals and entertainment. You would get bored of the cruise life after a few weeks. But if you're busy working then it's not much different from living in the dorms at school. Small rooms but most of the time you're out on campus or if you're in your room you're studying your ass off.
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Cruise ship living sounds expensive as shit... but what do I know...

If you were to have the level of hospitality that cruises offer on land it would be expensive as well. We will have to prepare people for the reality that this isn't a vacation, this is your home where you work and pay for your own meals and entertainment. You would get bored of the cruise life after a few weeks. But if you're busy working then it's not much different from living in the dorms at school. Small rooms but most of the time you're out on campus or if you're in your room you're studying your ass off.

What size are we talking about here?

Looks like a good place to self-exile. Or semi-retire (or just retire, live on your bitcoins or something.)

What kind of gym equipment does it have? The pictures on the website depict what looks like Rogue Fitness rigs and racks, aka CrossFit / Powerlifting / Strongman type equipment.
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October 05, 2020, 01:53:31 PM

meanwhile a hilarious and very dry pastiche of shitcoin blogs

https://medium.com/@sixtenhodler/intolerant-zeal-5b5b1dd6ec0e
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Many haters will claim that Zcash is just for criminals. This is prejudice — block chains matter. What makes Zcash unique is its purity. Each cybercoin, each commitment, is unblemished. One cybercoin is perfectly interchangeable with another — they are all clean. Thanks to state-of-the-art zero-knowledge proofs, every ZEC is just as innocent as another. No other asset comes close to providing the same level of pure nobility and cleanliness. Every zatoshi is a virgin.

The metaphor is sensible, although it could be better stated.  Within the shielded pool, each note commitment/nullifier pairing has, in practical effect, no prior history.  (Unless you can break the cryptography:  The Zcash designers gave up the statistical hiding of Zerocoin for computational hiding.  But then, an attacker who could break Zcash’s cryptography could probably also break an awful lot of other cryptography, and thus violate my privacy in total.)  No taint tracing (double entendre here).  No blacklisting—no Mike Motherforker Hearn jerking off all over your coins.  No Chainalysis doing a genetic analysis of every transaction that has fucked your coins before!  Each transaction is indeed the spend of a metaphorical virgin.

Bitcoin is not perfect.  Among other things, it has serious problems with fungibility—and with privacy.  We need to be able to discuss that, without the kind of groupthink “cult mentality” that anti-Bitcoiners accuse Bitcoin of having.  I’m a believer (LOL), but I am also a freethinker.

Zcash does have the very best currently-available technology for fungibility and privacy.  (Yes, Heuristic.  When I use Monero, I avoid, and have always avoided coin merge.  I never touched Monero before it got both Confidential Transactions and mandatory ring sizes; and strictly avoiding coin merge always been my policy.  If I understand correctly, this makes me immune to the sort of statistical analysis that CipherTrace is doing, or trying to do; but total avoidance of coin merge is very difficult, and rather impractical.  On this and other points, I do things with the Monero CLI wallet that >99.9% of users will not do.)  Zcash is still the only real-world deployed coin with which, for fully-shielded transactions, I don’t even think about coin control!

Unfortunately, as I myself discovered the hard way, technology alone does not make the coin.  For privacy, the only right way to use Zcash (or Monero) is to hold it:  Cross-chain analysis trivially links transactions in which people swap Bitcoin → [X] → Bitcoin; and due to subset sum analysis and timing correlations, it is surprisingly difficult to avoid all practical potential of linkage or probabilistic linkage.  Well—speaking from experience, if you want to hold Zcash, prepare to lose significant wealth—as you hold something that’s not even very useful, in terms of “where can I spend this?”  In Zcash, that problem is even worse if you want to make fully-shielded transactions.  Monero has thus far much better market acceptance, albeit still not much at all compared to Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is also by far the most decentralized coin.  Zcash and its future are basically controlled by a small group of people.  Monero is a bit better.  Whereas Bitcoin is probably about as close to ungovernable as we can realistically expect.

So...  What can we do to improve Bitcoin’s fungibility?  Much to my dismay, we seem to be stuck with transparent on-chain transactions; and the only virgin coins are coinbase.  PayJoin and CoinSwap are helpful; but in my vehement opinion, we really need to move most transactions off-chain:  Lightning Network, among other things.  Nobody can do taint tracing on an atomic multipath transaction with onion routes, or whatever else the Lightning wizards magic up.  And there is thereby no global, immutable, transparent database of all transactions, publicly available for anonymous download.  (The thing that made me run away screaming in horror when I first saw Bitcoin.  Wherefore I am not Bitcoin-rich, but I sleep quietly without worrying about someone tracing my early transactions.)



Disclosure:  I still have a small amount of Zcash—within the Sapling shielded pool, of course!  It’s small enough that I really will not get rich if it moons—from an investment perspective, it is downright trivial; and I am anyway under no illusions about the power of one of my posts to influence the market.  Same with Monero.  (Same with fiat...)  My modest Bitcoin holding is overwhelmingly larger in current market value—Bitcoin is where I store value.  And I don’t day-trade.  I have no vested interest in pumping anything here, but I very much do have a personal self-interest in improving Bitcoin’s privacy and fungibility.
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October 05, 2020, 01:56:28 PM

^ sorry mate the poet in me must be free Roll Eyes




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https://medium.com/@sixtenhodler/intolerant-zeal-5b5b1dd6ec0e
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Many haters will claim that Zcash is just for criminals. This is prejudice — block chains matter. What makes Zcash unique is its purity. Each cybercoin, each commitment, is unblemished. One cybercoin is perfectly interchangeable with another — they are all clean. Thanks to state-of-the-art zero-knowledge proofs, every ZEC is just as innocent as another. No other asset comes close to providing the same level of pure nobility and cleanliness. Every zatoshi is a virgin.

Well it's kinda poetically said :p
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October 05, 2020, 02:05:34 PM

WTF Shocked

Liverpool lost 7-2 to Villa.
United lost 6-1 to Spurs.
City lost 5-2 Leicester.

Some strange happenings indeed....

Damn Manè is important for LFC...

Meh just one off day, can happen to all of them

God damn it boys, I’ve been avoiding all sports related media so I don’t get reminded about that horror show last night.

I thought I was safe in the WO but it seems not Grin

A pump would cheer me up right now.
This is really disgusting result for Millions investors feeling very bad for them what a result of this weekend for all top ranked teams.


Hey man Karma is lovely in our world. I gonna keep lovin it more Cheesy
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Hey man Karma is lovely in our world. I gonna keep lovin it more Cheesy

Was this aimed at me, laughing because my football team lost?

Let’s have a look at your post history......

I lost them with the Exchange crash(Mt.Gox,BTC Market).. I would like to buy Doge Coin if possible at very few Satoshis hehe. I know that it probably is a Fantasy, but still i am trying to get some of those Gaming earned Coins back  Grin

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I would like to buy Bitcoins at the price of 2013-14 to gain back the lost Coins. If Bitcoin is not possible to be bought than maybe Litecoin? Dogecoin? Please, i need your aid my friends. You are all i have left.

Haha, you’re poor!
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Oh look, the CFTC scares all the rats with their coins off of BitMEX, and suddenly all of the barting comes to a halt.

Gee, who woulda thunk it.
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Cruise ship living sounds expensive as shit... but what do I know...

If you were to have the level of hospitality that cruises offer on land it would be expensive as well. We will have to prepare people for the reality that this isn't a vacation, this is your home where you work and pay for your own meals and entertainment. You would get bored of the cruise life after a few weeks. But if you're busy working then it's not much different from living in the dorms at school. Small rooms but most of the time you're out on campus or if you're in your room you're studying your ass off.


What is the monthly maintenance cost of owning a unit? I imagine keeping a crew employed is not cheap.

The website doesn't seem to go into the details.
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October 05, 2020, 02:28:22 PM

Cross-chain analysis trivially links transactions in which people swap Bitcoin → [X] → Bitcoin; and due to subset sum analysis and timing correlations, it is surprisingly difficult to avoid all practical potential of linkage or probabilistic linkage.

Isn't that much more difficult to do for the average, non-government, or non-ciphertrace / chainalysis group? Of course it can not be "proven" if there is indeed a link since they are cross chain.

What if there is a certain amount of time that passes by between the swaps, or if the swaps goes through different exchanges? You mention PayJoin and CoinSwap, are those different from CoinJoin and the other things Wasabi (the wallet) are trying to do, or doing?
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Hey man Karma is lovely in our world. I gonna keep lovin it more Cheesy

Was this aimed at me, laughing because my football team lost?

Let’s have a look at your post history......

I lost them with the Exchange crash(Mt.Gox,BTC Market).. I would like to buy Doge Coin if possible at very few Satoshis hehe. I know that it probably is a Fantasy, but still i am trying to get some of those Gaming earned Coins back  Grin

Hello.


I would like to buy Bitcoins at the price of 2013-14 to gain back the lost Coins. If Bitcoin is not possible to be bought than maybe Litecoin? Dogecoin? Please, i need your aid my friends. You are all i have left.

Haha, you’re poor!


You wanna be Poor too ?  Smiley
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October 05, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
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Can I borrow your girlfriend on margin to short her?

Mmmm, 100x leverage.

 Pro tip: Go long  Grin

If your girlfriend has sufficient market depth, I will make her have liquidity.  For the power of my scalar private key is a discrete log.  I do point multiplication with her elliptic curves.



Do I retain custody of the magic beans?

Only if I - physically - do the escrow. Grin

And custody of the girlfriend?  If she’s of a cryptokinky bent, get her into the blockchain per consensus rules.


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Conservative. I'd say #bitcoin likely sees $1trillion market cap within 2years,
probably sooner. $1trillion is about BTC $50k.
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A pump would cheer me up right now.

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October 05, 2020, 02:49:42 PM

Please do not forget the hookers, it's always been a huge part of business.
The rest we can grow on board.


Why can't we grow hookers? Next level...  Grin
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October 05, 2020, 02:59:48 PM

I guess people really have nothing to do with their lives.
Have some fun here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280092.0
God bless it was locked already!
One can not even put satoshi's address to his profile anymore and live happily ever after
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What is the monthly maintenance cost of owning a unit? I imagine keeping a crew employed is not cheap.

The website doesn't seem to go into the details.

Still haven't announced it yet so we're just putting together the details. I need to work with the ship management company I hired to work out the costs per cabin. My back of the envelope calculations puts it at a couple hundred dollars monthly per cabin but we have all of October to work that out before sales begin in November.

What size are we talking about here?

Looks like a good place to self-exile. Or semi-retire (or just retire, live on your bitcoins or something.)

What kind of gym equipment does it have? The pictures on the website depict what looks like Rogue Fitness rigs and racks, aka CrossFit / Powerlifting / Strongman type equipment.

The pictures on the website are just generic pictures right now. We have to have filler material until we actually fly to the ship and take pictures ourselves.
Honestly the gym on this ship is not very huge but there is a climbing wall and a running track on the upper deck and we will certainly be focusing on health and self improvement.
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