Merit & new rank requirements

[Forward_Thinking]

Since this update was put into gear I have seen much less drive in anyone to post on this forum. Not only did you absolutely butcher the chances of ranking up within a couple months of being active, but you made hundreds of people leave and no longer use this site. It is nearly impossible to gain 90 merit because gaining merit to give out is so damn hard.

I've only received 2 merit points to give out over the time the system has been implemented. It literally will take over 6 months minimum to gain 90 merit on this forum unless you are super known. This basically created a monopoly for the already highly ranked users here on the forum. Waiting for the day for you guys to either remove this system, or make it more balanced.

Yep. And I warned them within a few weeks after they rolled this out that it would cripple what I considered an institution. It would also create a cast system. It did both. I also predicted it would reduce spam, yep - did that. But at what cost?

They basically built up a huge wall around the castle and so people have decided to just build up the town instead of bothering the with the draw bridge.

I even recommended they validate my concerns with analytics and made predictions about what the metrics would look like and what those patterns would likely mean.

I got some merit out of my post, ironically, but I guess the content fell on deaf ears.

Then again, perhaps a walled in castle was the point.

[CryptoSifus]

Thanks for the breakdown.
Really didn't understand these points until I found this thread!

Now give me some damn merit points and rank me up! LOL

[pandoraaktor]

thanks, very helpful to me me

[coinlocket$]

WEEKLY UPDATE





spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ROK007e4FNRH_W_8SO3LOpVFfeC1AibnfQw6lZAbdBw/edit?usp=sharing


MONTLY UPDATE, MISSING 3 HOURS ON 31/05/2018

[TheBeardedBaby]

WEEKLY UPDATE
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Great analysis man, as usual.
From 48K to 19K this is a big fall, idk if this is only because the initial sMerit now is almost totally distributed or because there are less quality posts.
Lets see if in the next month the number will fall under the merit source limit.

There are 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18500 sMerit per 30 days

[TheQuin]

From 48K to 19K this is a big fall, idk if this is only because the initial sMerit now is almost totally distributed or because there are less quality posts.
Lets see if in the next month the number will fall under the merit source limit.

There are 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18500 sMerit per 30 days

I'm pretty sure it is the initial sMerit running out as my personal experience is that there has been an increase in quality posts. I'd like to know how many of those 18,500 sMerit are actually generated every 30 days. If a source doesn't spend them then they don't get replaced 30 days later. I think only theymos could access that data unless anybody can confidently identify all 80 sources.

[TheBeardedBaby]

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There were a lot of merit abuses in the first two months, I guess people got scared to send merit. There were many innocent that got tagged, tho. Well, there was no official announcement of the change, besides this thread and people just begin to try it as " no one reads the user manuals".
We need more time for full overview I think.

[UserU]

Whew, didn't know graduating from Jr. to Member requires 10 merits. 

[athanz88]

From 48K to 19K this is a big fall, idk if this is only because the initial sMerit now is almost totally distributed or because there are less quality posts.
Lets see if in the next month the number will fall under the merit source limit.

There are 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18500 sMerit per 30 days

I'm pretty sure it is the initial sMerit running out as my personal experience is that there has been an increase in quality posts. I'd like to know how many of those 18,500 sMerit are actually generated every 30 days. If a source doesn't spend them then they don't get replaced 30 days later. I think only theymos could access that data unless anybody can confidently identify all 80 sources.

Well, quite agree with TheQuin. But if it is the initial merit, it should have been half from the 48k. If i made the calculation. Since the time of 48k, then 48k-18k(merits from sources) then we got 30k initial merit for that time right right? Then if we divide it by half, then it should be 15k initial merit circulated for the last calculation, and if we add it with merits from sources it should be 33K maximum for the last part, but it only 19k. There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

[TheQuin]

There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

[athanz88]

There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

Same, there are posts or threads that i would consider giveng merits too, but if i had more merit. Yeah, we need more merit sources, and i think sources diversity, like adding merit sources from specific rank, would add more movement in the merits circulation, because you know, sometimes higher rank member have high expectation and standard for a post that they end up didnt give the merit for the poster. I would say adding merit sources for specific rank will help this problem, but of course that sources candidate still should have the ability to distinguish between great posts and not.

But it is only my idea, and it has flaws too.

[gabipavel]

Getting merit is really hard... Hello!

[TheBeardedBaby]

Getting merit is really hard... Hello!

Well, that's the whole idea of the merit. If it's too easy then everyone will have it.

[coinlocket$]

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I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

My guess.
Some sources are busy in real life and can't read for hours the forum and some others don't care about be a sources.

[TheQuin]

My guess.
Some sources are busy in real life and can't read for hours the forum and some others don't care about be a sources.

The first half is definitely the case, I don't have knowledge of the second part. But I think there are plenty of suitable people who would be happy to do it.

[coinlocket$]

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The first half is definitely the case, I don't have knowledge of the second part. But I think there are plenty of suitable people who would be happy to do it.

If I'm not wrong the first draft of sources was done without the "ask from user to be a source" if this is true, some of those users maybe are not interest to spend Merit.
This is my guess and probabily can be wrong.

[TheQuin]

If I'm not wrong the first draft os sources was done without the "ask from user to be a source" if this is true, some of those users maybe are not interest to spend Merit.
This is my guess and probabily can be wrong.

That's true and a fair conclusion to come to. I've seen a few sources complaining that it's too much work for them to find enough good posts but none saying they didn't want to be a source. I guess if any aren't interested they wouldn't spend their time posting about not being interested either.

[BitNaija]

There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

Same, there are posts or threads that i would consider giveng merits too, but if i had more merit. Yeah, we need more merit sources, and i think sources diversity, like adding merit sources from specific rank, would add more movement in the merits circulation, because you know, sometimes higher rank member have high expectation and standard for a post that they end up didnt give the merit for the poster. I would say adding merit sources for specific rank will help this problem, but of course that sources candidate still should have the ability to distinguish between great posts and not.

But it is only my idea, and it has flaws too.

I agree with you. There should be a season of replenishment of merits. If you have exhausted your merit, it ought to be replenished. And that too could be used to audit how you have used up the other merits giving to you.

Sadly too, while some are looking for merits to give out, some merits are decaying in some hands not issuing out. Can't such merits be reallocated to others who will use them?

[Ginzink]

With anxiety one of the most important steps to recovery is accepting it and not working against it.
With merit it quite the same for me. Accept that threads im interested in (altcoins) are not a place to gain merit.

If your here for money and commenting to get merit, you probably will not receive much. If your interested in topics where merit is not given out, you wont get merit.
All im "loosing" is a rank up and double reward from bounty. What i am gaining by not chasing merit is having a good time in the forum.

Maybe the sources should be higher than 80 with lower reward, not because some people feel they deserve merit but because the forum have gotten massive and 80 sources will not cover a fraction of the threads.
People interested in altcoins should just give up merit even with more sources though And that is ok

[B4RF]

With anxiety one of the most important steps to recovery is accepting it and not working against it.
With merit it quite the same for me. Accept that threads im interested in (altcoins) are not a place to gain merit.

If your here for money and commenting to get merit, you probably will not receive much. If your interested in topics where merit is not given out, you wont get merit.
All im "loosing" is a rank up and double reward from bounty. What i am gaining by not chasing merit is having a good time in the forum.

Maybe the sources should be higher than 80 with lower reward, not because some people feel they deserve merit but because the forum have gotten massive and 80 sources will not cover a fraction of the threads.
People interested in altcoins should just give up merit even with more sources though And that is ok

But the whole merit system is designed to work with just a few sources.
When someone gets merit from a source he gets half the amount of smerit which he can spend whereever he wants to.

There should be enough users which are visiting different topics and therefore the merit spreads most likely into every single of those as long as users use their merit.
And I think thats the only problem. Some users simply dont care about merit and therefore dont award any others with their smerit.