Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[slaman29]

There was more than enough time to organize the warmup matches. They arrived in England almost a month ago. But as usual, the contingent arrived with spouses, children, girlfriends and other family members and they were busy with shopping and sight seeing.

I don't mind criticizing their behavior as far as practice session goes but this sound wrong info to me, Indian team reached England around June 3rd and stayed at bio bubble. They had 1 county match schedule but it got cancelled due to logistic and new covid cases that's why they had to play intra squad match. IMO Team could have arrive there at the same time as New Zealand team then may be , things could have much better in terms of practice.

@7788bitcoin  2 first class (3-4days) match never hurts the schedule if you're playing 5 match series. I do agree Indian team schedule is hectic and covid didn't help much. Problem is Players are cash cow for BCCI and arrogant statement from the skipper-coach combination making things worse.

So we all agree there's a problem with people and their attitudes if they come from our region then. And it's a very difficult cycle to pinpoint. On one hand, we know the conditions we live in and culturally even, bringing family and spouses shouldn't be frowned upon (it's really what makes it even possible for many of them to play professionally, imagine if they ignored their families the hell it would be for their personal lives haha).

But yes, covid is a big big problem and we can't discount that BUT even with preparations all in place, as you said, the arrogance is what put them down in the end.

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[Haunebu]

I agree with the fact that Kohli is not good at winning big cups, but so many are downplaying his contributions because of this one factor. He is an aggressive captain who isn't afraid to express his emotions which isn't a bad thing.

However, I do feel that India needs separate captains for separate formats(ODI: Kohli, T-20: Rohit, Test: Rahane/Kohli).

[Iranus]

I agree with the fact that Kohli is not good at winning big cups, but so many are downplaying his contributions because of this one factor. He is an aggressive captain who isn't afraid to express his emotions which isn't a bad thing.

However, I do feel that India needs separate captains for separate formats(ODI: Kohli, T-20: Rohit, Test: Rahane/Kohli).

I agree with you. India now needs separate captains in three formats. Rohit Sharma is an experienced batsman and captain for T20 format, it is proven. Moreover Rahane is experienced enough. He should be given the opportunity to be the captain of the Test format. While Kohli has been successful as a batsman, he has not yet been fully successful as a captain.

[JSRAW]

I don't mind criticizing their behavior as far as practice session goes but this sound wrong info to me, Indian team reached England around June 3rd and stayed at bio bubble. They had 1 county match schedule but it got cancelled due to logistic and new covid cases that's why they had to play intra squad match. IMO Team could have arrive there at the same time as New Zealand team then may be , things could have much better in terms of practice.

@7788bitcoin  2 first class (3-4days) match never hurts the schedule if you're playing 5 match series. I do agree Indian team schedule is hectic and covid didn't help much. Problem is Players are cash cow for BCCI and arrogant skipper-coach combination is not helping much too.

The calendar is hectic and there is no doubt about it. But for test and T20/ODI, they now have separate teams, right? At least players such as Rahane, Pujara and Ishant (who are not part of the ODI/T20 squad) could have arrived earlier and participated in some practise matches. Anyway, the IPL is about to start in a couple of months and for the players (both Indian and foreign), the IPL is much more important when compared to the WTC. There are rumors that the BCCI want to restructure the team after WTC final defeat. But I don't think that they have a backbone to act against Kohli.

This idea is about to kick in so we have to wait and watich, let's see how it pans out. Why only test specialists? BCCI announced their test squad way back in 8-10th May because Ipl got postponed around 3rd-ish may, everyone was free after that they could have take 20 days break and arrive 1 week early in England if they were serious about the Finals. Having said that, they are still one of the best test team. IMO major Criticism coming because this team has so much potential but they are wasting every oppourtunity.

I have a feeling that if any changes come then Rahane-Pujara could be their new scapegoat.  

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So we all agree there's a problem with people and their attitudes if they come from our region then. And it's a very difficult cycle to pinpoint. On one hand, we know the conditions we live in and culturally even, bringing family and spouses shouldn't be frowned upon (it's really what makes it even possible for many of them to play professionally, imagine if they ignored their families the hell it would be for their personal lives haha).

But yes, covid is a big big problem and we can't discount that BUT even with preparations all in place, as you said, the arrogance is what put them down in the end.

Yeah, its subcontinent problem When team wins then no one cares, we make them heroes but things get out of the hand when they lose. I'm not in favor of bringing their personal life into cricket and i don't subscribe to this behavior.

I agree with the fact that Kohli is not good at winning big cups, but so many are downplaying his contributions because of this one factor. He is an aggressive captain who isn't afraid to express his emotions which isn't a bad thing.

However, I do feel that India needs separate captains for separate formats(ODI: Kohli, T-20: Rohit, Test: Rahane/Kohli).

More importantly Ravi Shastri need to go for good. His contract ending after T-20 WC, hope BCCI find some one else after that. Not sure about Test captaincy but in limited over (esp T-20) cricket Kohli is shit as captain.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

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More importantly Ravi Shastri need to go for good. His contract ending after T-20 WC, hope BCCI find some one else after that. Not sure about Test captaincy but in limited over (esp T-20) cricket Kohli is shit as captain.

I thought Ravi Shastri would be replaced after India folded for 36 runs in Australia and when Kohli left to India after that match no one gave a chance for India to win any matches let alone win the series and India changed history and went on to win a Test series in Australia and that cemented the place of Ravi Shastri as well and one loss in WTC final will make any changes and i feel like India will perform better against England and silence everyone about these replacement  .

[UmerIdrees]

I agree with the fact that Kohli is not good at winning big cups, but so many are downplaying his contributions because of this one factor. He is an aggressive captain who isn't afraid to express his emotions which isn't a bad thing.

However, I do feel that India needs separate captains for separate formats(ODI: Kohli, T-20: Rohit, Test: Rahane/Kohli).

It's time that we stop blaming captain for the losses. If a team loses, the whole team is responsible and not just the captain.

Think of the contribution of Kohli in ODI, t20 and test matches, before thinking of replacing him. I think India need aggressive captain like Kohli who can take bold decisions.

[Sithara007]

It's time that we stop blaming captain for the losses. If a team loses, the whole team is responsible and not just the captain.

Think of the contribution of Kohli in ODI, t20 and test matches, before thinking of replacing him. I think India need aggressive captain like Kohli who can take bold decisions.

If the captain is responsible for the loss, then he should be blamed. Kohli has enjoyed some sort of immunity from criticism for too long and time has come to stop this. And here, his part in this defeat is much larger because he dictates everything nowadays, starting from team schedule to team selection. His arrogant behavior in the field is making it difficult for a lot of fans to support the Indian team. He is a great player and perhaps the best performing Indian batsmen in SENA conditions. But that doesn't make him the best captain.

[JSRAW]

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More importantly Ravi Shastri need to go for good. His contract ending after T-20 WC, hope BCCI find some one else after that. Not sure about Test captaincy but in limited over (esp T-20) cricket Kohli is shit as captain.

I thought Ravi Shastri would be replaced after India folded for 36 runs in Australia and when Kohli left to India after that match no one gave a chance for India to win any matches let alone win the series and India changed history and went on to win a Test series in Australia and that cemented the place of Ravi Shastri as well and one loss in WTC final will make any changes and i feel like India will perform better against England and silence everyone about these replacement  .

Nah BCCI avoid breaking the contract with the staff, his contract is about to end soon anyway so i'm hoping that they might replace him.

There is a possibility of India winning or performing better against the England in upcoming series because England batting is inexperienced and mostly depends on Root and Stokes. Opener Rory burns made some runs and looks in good form but i'm not expecting big innings from him against India. New guy Dan Lawrence looks dangerous tho. Again our bowlers need to repeat last tour performance and more importantly clean up the English tail, their tail made the big difference last time.

Coach and Captain never take responsibility whenever team lose but they are first to lash out on every sane voices when they win. So problem is accountability. How many times they can get away with -One bad session- bad 30 minutes- conditions- or other excuses? Having said that i'm still in favor of Kohli as far as test cricket captaincy goes (not ODI -T-20) but not in favor of Shashtri.

[LittleBitFunny]

It's time that we stop blaming captain for the losses. If a team loses, the whole team is responsible and not just the captain.

Think of the contribution of Kohli in ODI, t20 and test matches, before thinking of replacing him. I think India need aggressive captain like Kohli who can take bold decisions.

If the captain is responsible for the loss, then he should be blamed. Kohli has enjoyed some sort of immunity from criticism for too long and time has come to stop this. And here, his part in this defeat is much larger because he dictates everything nowadays, starting from team schedule to team selection. His arrogant behavior in the field is making it difficult for a lot of fans to support the Indian team. He is a great player and perhaps the best performing Indian batsmen in SENA conditions. But that doesn't make him the best captain.

He will be the captain as long as the BCCI deems Virat Kohli suitable for the Indian team. Virat Kohli will not leave the captaincy for our criticism. At this moment, it will be appropriate to select a different captain in 3 formats. Because, although Kohli is not an experienced captain like Dhoni, he is an average quality captain. He has the ability to lead India in the ODI format. It is a bit difficult to give a lead to a team in Test format.

[Haunebu]

His arrogant behavior in the field is making it difficult for a lot of fans to support the Indian team. He is a great player and perhaps the best performing Indian batsmen in SENA conditions. But that doesn't make him the best captain.

I do agree that Kohli is an arrogant player, but he doesn't cross the line these days since he matured a lot ever since he took up captaincy. He should be blamed along with the rest of the team for the loss.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/he-made-a-mistake-but-why-blame-virat-alone-former-india-batsman-defends-kohli-says-all-batters-looked-vulnerable-101624674213974.html

As I mentioned earlier, Kohli sucks at winning big ICC tournaments and that is a fact at this point which is why the Indian team needs separate captains for separate formats.

[pakhitheboss]

Apart from being arrogant, he is also jinxed, every important tournament final he has lost yet he still comes out on the field as if he is the only crusader for team India. I do not know what his problem is but he thinks he is the one 

Not sure which player can replace this guy as a captain but Rohit Sharma would be my first choice.

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya. Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down. 

A few shitty performance in batting and few over confident actions as a captain and he will be forced to resign. But, first that baboon shastri need to leave the team. It is because of him this guy is still being retained by the BCCI.

[ene1980]

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya.

Does this even matter, all it takes is their performance in the field, what they do outside is their personal space and if someone tries to evade that then do not expect good things  .

Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down. 

Virat Kohli is 32 years of age and to play for the next 7 to 8 years he needs to maintain his fitness and form which is a really hard task once you cross 34 years of age, there is a possibility that Rohit Sharma could handle the T20 captaincy as he is a better captain in the shorter format from what i have seen from IPL performance.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Apart from being arrogant, he is also jinxed, every important tournament final he has lost yet he still comes out on the field as if he is the only crusader for team India. I do not know what his problem is but he thinks he is the one 

Not sure which player can replace this guy as a captain but Rohit Sharma would be my first choice.

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya. Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down. 

A few shitty performance in batting and few over confident actions as a captain and he will be forced to resign. But, first that baboon shastri need to leave the team. It is because of him this guy is still being retained by the BCCI.

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

[Mahdirakib]

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

India hasn't batted badly? Actually Indian batsman haven't played with proper responsibility. Their performance was really bad in second innings. New Zealand pace bowler was able to swing their bowl perfectly. While Indian pace bowler wasn't able to swing their bowl like Kiwis bowler. Indian team is familiar for their best batting lineup but they was unable to show it in front of Kiwis bowler.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

From 62 for no loss in the first innings to 217 all out and 170 all out in the second innings and there is no reason to think that India batted badly  . These are extraordinary performance by the New Zealand bowlers and the Indian batsman did not do anything to win the match  .
If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

[Sithara007]

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

Spot on!

Just surviving another 6-7 overs could have done the trick. But did any of the Indian batsmen showed patience out there, apart from Pujara and Rahane? Starting from Virat Kohli, everyone was treating the second innings as some sort of a T20 match. I might have watched the highlights of the second innings at least a dozen times. It really irritates me that most of the batsmen got out playing unwanted shots. Showing aggression is OK. But for that you don't need to lash out at each and every ball. The way Pant and Ashwin got out was just shocking.

[FIFA worldcup]

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

Spot on!

Just surviving another 6-7 overs could have done the trick. But did any of the Indian batsmen showed patience out there, apart from Pujara and Rahane? Starting from Virat Kohli, everyone was treating the second innings as some sort of a T20 match. I might have watched the highlights of the second innings at least a dozen times. It really irritates me that most of the batsmen got out playing unwanted shots. Showing aggression is OK. But for that you don't need to lash out at each and every ball. The way Pant and Ashwin got out was just shocking.

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

[bryant.coleman]

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

[Swordsoffreedom]

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

Perhaps they didn't took the World Test Championship seriously enough? Although the name is "World Test Championship", in the media there was very little hype. It was played over a period of 3 years and didn't achieved a good viewership count in India. Perhaps for the Indian team, the IPL and the T20 World Cup was more of a priority. The bigger issue here is that the test format is witnessing sharp decline in interest from the fans, irrespective of all the desperate measures which the ICC is trying to put in.