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[|MINER|]

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

Nope. You misunderstood me. Ganguly is someone who openly voiced his displeasure with Virat Kohli. And Kohli also responded to Ganguly in the same style. Although he was not very open about it, we all know that Kohli holds Ganguly primarily responsible for his ouster as the captain of the Indian team. In case Dhumal or some other politician succeeds Ganguly as the BCCI president, then in all probability Kohli can expect a more lenient treatment (although I am not sure whether that will do any good for the prospects of the Indian team).

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

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[Sithara007]

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

[Minecache]

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

I think it is going to be really difficult to say anything before we see the results. Right now it does feel like Ganguly is not better than Roger Binny. But it is too early to say anything. We have seen the worst of Ganguly. But we are yet to see that form of Binny. We know that Ganguly was a very talented player for India. But Binny, even though he has a lot of experience working around cricket in India, he was not an actual player. I have to admit that I'm not very positive about Binny. But at the same time, Ganguly did some things which lead us to believe that Binny might be an upgrade compared to Ganguly. Again I am not any kind of expert in anything, I am just presenting my opinion.

[KennyR]

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

[Sithara007]

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

I don't care whether it is Binny or Ganguly. I just want two things - there should be no match fixing going on (especially with IPL), and domestic players should be treated with respect. If Binny can ensure these two, then I am fine with his post. But overall, it was disappointing to witness the downfall of Sourav Ganguly. During the 90s, he was one of my favorite cricketers. And I always thought that he was shrewd and mature. When he became the president of the BCCI, I was expecting a lot from him. Anyway, no point in talking about these things now.

[GigaBit]

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

[Sithara007]

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

[wiss19]

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

I don't care whether it is Binny or Ganguly. I just want two things - there should be no match fixing going on (especially with IPL), and domestic players should be treated with respect. If Binny can ensure these two, then I am fine with his post. But overall, it was disappointing to witness the downfall of Sourav Ganguly. During the 90s, he was one of my favorite cricketers. And I always thought that he was shrewd and mature. When he became the president of the BCCI, I was expecting a lot from him. Anyway, no point in talking about these things now.

I am reading this all and also checking few updates related to these points with this all I believe now it's time for India to change their approach and have professional and old players into relative games which will help them to have better results even right now things are not favorable for them as political influence is at his best, and we have no chance of changing things into drastically but still if we need positive results and better quality then surely we have to change this all.

Binny or Ganguly is not matter but change of mindset and having better respect for players and their work for their welfare is also important because this will surely bring revolutionary changes with the sources available they can go to start from school levels as well which will be surely brought better view of knowledge and quality for next generation.

[BobK71]

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

There may be several reasons for the infiltration of politics into cricket. One such is the financial aspect. The ruling party feels that if the cricket board does not have people supported by their government then it is a big threat for them. On the other hand, they feel that cricket boards perform public functions around the world and within countries where the government supporters are essential.

[Ayers]

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

He is obviously not intending to join them formally when he is the President of BCCI. Because that is obviously enough to make people unsure about his credibility right? And even though he did not join politics directly I think he has close connections to a lot of politicians.

In addition, I also agree that you simply cannot find any candidate for the post of BCCI President who is politically neutral right now. It is very difficult to find people who are suitable for this job. So, I think if a person is politically influenced or not is the least of the worries for the BCCI. And anyone who is in line to be the President of BCCI right now is most likely to think about money first of all.

[Cryptock]

In addition, I also agree that you simply cannot find any candidate for the post of BCCI President who is politically neutral right now. It is very difficult to find people who are suitable for this job. So, I think if a person is politically influenced or not is the least of the worries for the BCCI. And anyone who is in line to be the President of BCCI right now is most likely to think about money first of all.

There is a weather prediction for T20 World Cup that during the IND and Pakistan match - there is chances of the heavy rain and the match will be affected
All the tickets are sold. Let's see if both the teams get 1 -1 or the weather prediction goes wrong.

[Tony116]

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

I don't care whether it is Binny or Ganguly. I just want two things - there should be no match fixing going on (especially with IPL), and domestic players should be treated with respect. If Binny can ensure these two, then I am fine with his post. But overall, it was disappointing to witness the downfall of Sourav Ganguly. During the 90s, he was one of my favorite cricketers. And I always thought that he was shrewd and mature. When he became the president of the BCCI, I was expecting a lot from him. Anyway, no point in talking about these things now.

I am reading this all and also checking few updates related to these points with this all I believe now it's time for India to change their approach and have professional and old players into relative games which will help them to have better results even right now things are not favorable for them as political influence is at his best, and we have no chance of changing things into drastically but still if we need positive results and better quality then surely we have to change this all.

Binny or Ganguly is not matter but change of mindset and having better respect for players and their work for their welfare is also important because this will surely bring revolutionary changes with the sources available they can go to start from school levels as well which will be surely brought better view of knowledge and quality for next generation.

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.

And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

[Sithara007]

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.

And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

For the BCCI, money comes first nowadays. They just got an IPL deal worth $6 billion for 5-year period. That is more than 1 billion USD per year just from IPL itself. On top of that they receive funds from the ICC, sponsorship and also for the TV deal for international matches that are hosted in India. Their revenues have go up by 3-4 times in the last 5 years. And given the nature of politicians and businessmen in India, it would not surprise me if these guys rush to steal at least some of this huge amount. 

[BobK71]

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.

And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

For the BCCI, money comes first nowadays. They just got an IPL deal worth $6 billion for 5-year period. That is more than 1 billion USD per year just from IPL itself. On top of that they receive funds from the ICC, sponsorship and also for the TV deal for international matches that are hosted in India. Their revenues have go up by 3-4 times in the last 5 years. And given the nature of politicians and businessmen in India, it would not surprise me if these guys rush to steal at least some of this huge amount. 

Yes, besides of all these reasons, politics has now entered cricket. People will have weakness towards money. But if it was properly controlled then it would not have any effect. Many people forget what to do when large amounts of money come to their hand. As a result, the distribution is not and will not be done properly. Anyway, we common people always want good cricket management and the good tournament.

[|MINER|]

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

He is obviously not intending to join them formally when he is the President of BCCI. Because that is obviously enough to make people unsure about his credibility right? And even though he did not join politics directly I think he has close connections to a lot of politicians.

In addition, I also agree that you simply cannot find any candidate for the post of BCCI President who is politically neutral right now. It is very difficult to find people who are suitable for this job. So, I think if a person is politically influenced or not is the least of the worries for the BCCI. And anyone who is in line to be the President of BCCI right now is most likely to think about money first of all.

What have done to the other posts in the cricket board that is not much attract the attention. But the Indian Cricket Board President's position is the most desirable. So here a person must be qualified from both sides one is his own qualification and the other is his political relation. However, even though Competence is often underestimated. if the political aspect is not strong for one then the position does not belongs to him.

[Tony116]

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.
And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

For the BCCI, money comes first nowadays. They just got an IPL deal worth $6 billion for 5-year period. That is more than 1 billion USD per year just from IPL itself. On top of that they receive funds from the ICC, sponsorship and also for the TV deal for international matches that are hosted in India. Their revenues have go up by 3-4 times in the last 5 years. And given the nature of politicians and businessmen in India, it would not surprise me if these guys rush to steal at least some of this huge amount. 

BCCI actually has always thought about money first, people actually know that very well. The only reason they are getting away with this is because India is a very highly populated country and they have a population which is more than 1.38 billion and that's why they don't have much problems finding good talent. And the IPL is a great place for them to find young players. So, they basically don't have to worry about that. They have a really good infrastructure. The pipeline of India is also very good.

I really think that these are the reasons why even if India does not do too much they are going to find good players anyway. That is a reason why the BCCI personnel are much more interested in having money for themselves instead of actually finding raw talent.

[Ayers]

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

He is obviously not intending to join them formally when he is the President of BCCI. Because that is obviously enough to make people unsure about his credibility right? And even though he did not join politics directly I think he has close connections to a lot of politicians.
In addition, I also agree that you simply cannot find any candidate for the post of BCCI President who is politically neutral right now. It is very difficult to find people who are suitable for this job. So, I think if a person is politically influenced or not is the least of the worries for the BCCI. And anyone who is in line to be the President of BCCI right now is most likely to think about money first of all.

What have done to the other posts in the cricket board that is not much attract the attention. But the Indian Cricket Board President's position is the most desirable. So here a person must be qualified from both sides one is his own qualification and the other is his political relation. However, even though Competence is often underestimated. if the political aspect is not strong for one then the position does not belongs to him.

I think you made a great point here @|MINER|. We all know that in India political power is almost essential.
And if the BCCI President does not have enough political power he will not be able to work effectively.

Let me explain. I think if the BCCI President has the support of powerful politicians only then he will be able to work independently and not think about anyone telling him anything.
If that becomes a reality two things can happen:

• The president is determined to work hard and try to improve the situation of Indian cricket.
• The president will do anything that he wants because there is no one to say nothing to him. And that can be very problematic in the long run.

[GigaBit]

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.
And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

For the BCCI, money comes first nowadays. They just got an IPL deal worth $6 billion for 5-year period. That is more than 1 billion USD per year just from IPL itself. On top of that they receive funds from the ICC, sponsorship and also for the TV deal for international matches that are hosted in India. Their revenues have go up by 3-4 times in the last 5 years. And given the nature of politicians and businessmen in India, it would not surprise me if these guys rush to steal at least some of this huge amount. 

BCCI actually has always thought about money first, people actually know that very well. The only reason they are getting away with this is because India is a very highly populated country and they have a population which is more than 1.38 billion and that's why they don't have much problems finding good talent. And the IPL is a great place for them to find young players. So, they basically don't have to worry about that. They have a really good infrastructure. The pipeline of India is also very good.

I really think that these are the reasons why even if India does not do too much they are going to find good players anyway. That is a reason why the BCCI personnel are much more interested in having money for themselves instead of actually finding raw talent.

If the cricket board has been doing this kind of practice for a long time, then the good cricketers may not be able to survive in cricket for a long time. It is true that India is a over populated country with many young talented players. But long time corruption will take a bigger shape at some point, Though it is not affected at the moment but it will have an effect on it after a long period of time.

[Juggy777]

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.
And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

For the BCCI, money comes first nowadays. They just got an IPL deal worth $6 billion for 5-year period. That is more than 1 billion USD per year just from IPL itself. On top of that they receive funds from the ICC, sponsorship and also for the TV deal for international matches that are hosted in India. Their revenues have go up by 3-4 times in the last 5 years. And given the nature of politicians and businessmen in India, it would not surprise me if these guys rush to steal at least some of this huge amount. 

BCCI actually has always thought about money first, people actually know that very well. The only reason they are getting away with this is because India is a very highly populated country and they have a population which is more than 1.38 billion and that's why they don't have much problems finding good talent. And the IPL is a great place for them to find young players. So, they basically don't have to worry about that. They have a really good infrastructure. The pipeline of India is also very good.

I really think that these are the reasons why even if India does not do too much they are going to find good players anyway. That is a reason why the BCCI personnel are much more interested in having money for themselves instead of actually finding raw talent.

If the cricket board has been doing this kind of practice for a long time, then the good cricketers may not be able to survive in cricket for a long time. It is true that India is a over populated country with many young talented players. But long time corruption will take a bigger shape at some point, Though it is not affected at the moment but it will have an effect on it after a long period of time.

I totally agree with you’ll and Ganguly could definitely have done better, and now I wonder if the new president who’s an ex World Cup winner will be able to do a better job or another 3 year’s will pass by and nothing really would have changed. Furthermore it’s an open secret that domestic matches performances no longer matter, and the only performances that matter are those seen in the IPL but I hope that BCCI focuses on domestic matches too, because we need new bowler’s who can immediately step up and play for team India.

[SirLancelot]

We all know that in India political power is almost essential.
And if the BCCI President does not have enough political power he will not be able to work effectively.

Let me explain. I think if the BCCI President has the support of powerful politicians only then he will be able to work independently and not think about anyone telling him anything.
If that becomes a reality two things can happen:

• The president is determined to work hard and try to improve the situation of Indian cricket.
• The president will do anything that he wants because there is no one to say nothing to him. And that can be very problematic in the long run.

I agree with these all points but still we have to accept this thing right now BCCI is most powerful and richest board in the cricketing world but still one tag is also going with this which is surely not good as its also one of the most shit place as well because you have to do things for having support from politicians, and then you have to manage things which are not favourable to your enemy country because if you are not going to do things like these then surely you are not favourable person, and surely you could be down and out without any solid reason quickly.

Even mostly saying India is one of the biggest democracy but still not near this tag because they have many things which are not favourable for them, but they have to do because they never want to give any positive clue to others which is surely not good for this all hopefully we will have better and fair things in near future and this could be in better shape which is important for the development of this game and having more profitable for all cricketing fans around the India and world which is expecting good positive role from them.