ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[BobK71]

I don’t think there is any point in talking about this. ICC is always going to think about money first. And that is going to be the downfall of ICC. To be honest every sports body needs to think about money. The ICC is absolutely different because they only care about money. For somebody you obviously need to think about money otherwise you’re not going to be good in the long run for that certain sport. But at the same time, in the long run, you are not going to earn a good amount of money if you have any favorites, and also I don’t want to upgrade and improve the number of playing nations. For ICC profit seems to be the only thing of concern.

Today India lost to England. Bad luck for India- while India is going back home - Pakistan reached the Final. Now England will try to win the world cup but Paksitan has been very lucky to reach the final. If the luck is siding them they might win.

The match between England and Pakistan will be very competitive. But I want to put England ahead of Pakistan, because England team's opening batsman and middle order batsman are very good. But Babar Azam and Mohammad Rejuan are one of the batsmen of Pakistan team, but the middle order batsman of this team is very weak. India's defeat on the other hand surprised me.

I think in this time it is a major problem for  Pakistan team on all format . Because almost in most cases it has been seen that if the top order batsmen can't perform well then Pakistan has to gain a lot of momentum to win that match. But I am little confused about upcoming match even the match prediction says the win probability of England is more than Pakistan but still I think that match is very unpredictable. If England team can get Pakistan's top order batsmen out early then I think it will be very easy for England to win. And on the other hand if they can't do that and the top order batsmen can perform well then I think Pakistan also has the ability to win.

Pakistan's performance on ODI format is also quite popular. They are currently ranked 4th in the ICC ODI format. Where England is in the number one position. And tomorrow is the T20 World Cup where 2nd vs 3rd is going to be a big battle. There is no opportunity to look down anyone. England played quite heroically throughout the tournament and had no problems. On the other hand, Pakistan has to make various calculations. Anyway in T20 match predicting is not effective. So you have to depend on the field.
 

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[Theones]

Pakistan's performance on ODI format is also quite popular. They are currently ranked 4th in the ICC ODI format. Where England is in the number one position. And tomorrow is the T20 World Cup where 2nd vs 3rd is going to be a big battle. There is no opportunity to look down anyone. England played quite heroically throughout the tournament and had no problems. On the other hand, Pakistan has to make various calculations. Anyway in T20 match predicting is not effective. So you have to depend on the field.
 

Butler is very dangerous player but Pakistani bowling in very strong as well. Pakistan has been very lucky to have reached to final.
If they concentrate they might be able to win the cup

[Ayers]

Pakistan's performance on ODI format is also quite popular. They are currently ranked 4th in the ICC ODI format. Where England is in the number one position. And tomorrow is the T20 World Cup where 2nd vs 3rd is going to be a big battle. There is no opportunity to look down anyone. England played quite heroically throughout the tournament and had no problems. On the other hand, Pakistan has to make various calculations. Anyway in T20 match predicting is not effective. So you have to depend on the field.

Butler is very dangerous player but Pakistani bowling in very strong as well. Pakistan has been very lucky to have reached to final.
If they concentrate they might be able to win the cup

I cannot say if Pakistan is better compared to England in the ODI or not, because currently, Pakistan is very inconsistent. So, it is very hard to predict anything about Pakistan. And the main problem is Pakistan is highly dependent on a few players. If they do not play well, it is very hard for Pakistan to win.

Today was the World Cup T-20 final and England won the match pretty easily in the end. Pakistan have already seen what England can do against India. I never thought the target that they have given was going to be enough. Pakistan at least needed 160 to challenge England.

[rojan]

Nepal vs United Arab Emirates, 1st ODI match has started. United Arab Emirates are now batting in this match. They scored 109 runs in 23 overs and lost 2 wickets. If Nepal bowlers can bowl well in this match then United Arab Emirates will win this match. It seems that they will not be able to score much runs. If Nepal can perform well in this match then they will have hope to win this match.

[sovie]

1st ODI Match Nepal vs United Arab Emirates. Nepal won the toss and invited the United Arab Emirates. United Arab emirates batted first and scored 263 runs for the loss of 7 wickets. Top order and middle order batting performance of united Arab emirates team is excellent. I don't know how well Nepal team can play in ODI match. Now it will be understood by the end of the game, how well Nepal can play

UAE won the match by 84 runs as Nepal scored 179 runs in 50 overs. Clearly uae is much better side among all associate nations though it is composed of players of subcontinent. Nepal is playing  cricket for many years but still wasn't able to make any impact that can take them to main icc events.

[Tony116]

Nepal vs United Arab Emirates, 1st ODI match has started. United Arab Emirates are now batting in this match. They scored 109 runs in 23 overs and lost 2 wickets. If Nepal bowlers can bowl well in this match then United Arab Emirates will win this match. It seems that they will not be able to score much runs. If Nepal can perform well in this match then they will have hope to win this match.

These things actually make me sad. Nepal lost this match by 84 runs. Nepal only had two solo innings in the second innings when they were batting. They were not able to form any actually meaningful partnership. And I think that’s what let them down.

But the reason why I feel sad is that Nepal is trying to do better with its own players, and here we have the UAE which does not have its own players. And they are winning, which obviously is going to make teams like Nepal feel really bad.

Now Nepal will have to win both of the matches that are left.

[BobK71]

1st ODI Match Nepal vs United Arab Emirates. Nepal won the toss and invited the United Arab Emirates. United Arab emirates batted first and scored 263 runs for the loss of 7 wickets. Top order and middle order batting performance of united Arab emirates team is excellent. I don't know how well Nepal team can play in ODI match. Now it will be understood by the end of the game, how well Nepal can play

United Arab Emirates is comparatively renowned team who are performing well in recent times. On the other hand, there is a new name added in cricket is Nepal. The score of today's ODI match suggests the same thing. Almost everyone in the United Arab Emirates team managed to score well. On the other everyone except Nepal's Arjun Saud and Dipendra Singh Airee did not perform well. It remains to be seen how much changes in the next ODI on behalf of Nepla cricket.

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1st ODI Match Nepal vs United Arab Emirates. Nepal won the toss and invited the United Arab Emirates. United Arab emirates batted first and scored 263 runs for the loss of 7 wickets. Top order and middle order batting performance of united Arab emirates team is excellent. I don't know how well Nepal team can play in ODI match. Now it will be understood by the end of the game, how well Nepal can play

United Arab Emirates is comparatively renowned team who are performing well in recent times. On the other hand, there is a new name added in cricket is Nepal. The score of today's ODI match suggests the same thing. Almost everyone in the United Arab Emirates team managed to score well. On the other everyone except Nepal's Arjun Saud and Dipendra Singh Airee did not perform well. It remains to be seen how much changes in the next ODI on behalf of Nepla cricket.

United Arab Emirates is at good position than Nepal if you see the Ranking point table UAE made 32 point on 22 matches on the others hand Nepal made 15 point on 22 matches . And today's match result also shows that UAE has performed better than Nepal natively.Specially from UAE side Aayan Afzal khan make this easy to them by taking 4wicket with 1.40 economy rate. 

[BobK71]

1st ODI Match Nepal vs United Arab Emirates. Nepal won the toss and invited the United Arab Emirates. United Arab emirates batted first and scored 263 runs for the loss of 7 wickets. Top order and middle order batting performance of united Arab emirates team is excellent. I don't know how well Nepal team can play in ODI match. Now it will be understood by the end of the game, how well Nepal can play

United Arab Emirates is comparatively renowned team who are performing well in recent times. On the other hand, there is a new name added in cricket is Nepal. The score of today's ODI match suggests the same thing. Almost everyone in the United Arab Emirates team managed to score well. On the other everyone except Nepal's Arjun Saud and Dipendra Singh Airee did not perform well. It remains to be seen how much changes in the next ODI on behalf of Nepla cricket.

United Arab Emirates is at good position than Nepal if you see the Ranking point table UAE made 32 point on 22 matches on the others hand Nepal made 15 point on 22 matches . And today's match result also shows that UAE has performed better than Nepal natively.Specially from UAE side Aayan Afzal khan make this easy to them by taking 4wicket with 1.40 economy rate. 

Nepal has not received much recognition for their cricket compared to Emirates Cricket. Here are some reasons. One is Emirates Cricket got ICC membership in 1990 while Nepal in Asian Cricket in 1994 Under-19 World Cup in 1999 and the ICC Trophy for the first time in 2001. I expect gradually Nepal cricket will improve If they increase their importance in cricket they will definitely be able to do better in future.

[impulse709]

In the 1st ODI match, Nepal team was defeated by United Arab emirates team by a huge margin. Like Arjun Saud and Dipendra Singh of Nepal team, other batsmen could have played well. Then the Nepal team would not have been defeated by such a margin. Nepal team saud and Dipendra singh, no one could play well except these two players. Nepal team performed very badly in batting

[bitgov]

Pakistan's performance on ODI format is also quite popular. They are currently ranked 4th in the ICC ODI format. Where England is in the number one position. And tomorrow is the T20 World Cup where 2nd vs 3rd is going to be a big battle. There is no opportunity to look down anyone. England played quite heroically throughout the tournament and had no problems. On the other hand, Pakistan has to make various calculations. Anyway in T20 match predicting is not effective. So you have to depend on the field.

Butler is very dangerous player but Pakistani bowling in very strong as well. Pakistan has been very lucky to have reached to final.
If they concentrate they might be able to win the cup

I cannot say if Pakistan is better compared to England in the ODI or not, because currently, Pakistan is very inconsistent. So, it is very hard to predict anything about Pakistan. And the main problem is Pakistan is highly dependent on a few players. If they do not play well, it is very hard for Pakistan to win.

Today was the World Cup T-20 final and England won the match pretty easily in the end. Pakistan have already seen what England can do against India. I never thought the target that they have given was going to be enough. Pakistan at least needed 160 to challenge England.

I wish Shaheen Shah would not have left the ground - but his injury took the whole dream of trophy from the fans.
He took a great catch and it costed Pakistani the whole world cup. But that happens - one team wins the other loose. Pakistan needs to work on their batting too. Muhmmad Rizwan did not do much good yestrday

[sovie]

Batting first in Pakistan Women vs Ireland Women, 3rd ODI ICC Championship Match Ireland Women scored 225 runs in 49.5 overs. In this match they lost all the wickets of Ireland Women. Leah Paul played very well in this match she scored 64 runs from 94 balls. .Amy Hunter scored 41 runs off 43 balls.However, Ireland Women could not score many runs in this match.

everyone is so busy in Men's cricket that they don't have time to watch the woman sports at all.
I don't know why people are not much interested in Women's sports. That is a sorry sight indeed.

[Ayers]

I don’t think there is any point in talking about this. ICC is always going to think about money first. And that is going to be the downfall of ICC. To be honest every sports body needs to think about money. The ICC is absolutely different because they only care about money. For somebody you obviously need to think about money otherwise you’re not going to be good in the long run for that certain sport. But at the same time, in the long run, you are not going to earn a good amount of money if you have any favorites, and also I don’t want to upgrade and improve the number of playing nations. For ICC profit seems to be the only thing of concern.

If that is the case, then the ICC should stop claiming that they are a sports body. Rather, they should claim that they are a business organization. Maybe they could go for an IPO and list themselves in the stock markets as well. A large part of the revenues are used for "administrative expenses" and no one ever gets any details for this part. There is absolutely zero accountability and no one knows how a large part of the revenues are being spent. And since they have their headquarters in the United Arab Emirates, no one can demand for any sort of audit or review.

After reading people's comments it seems ICC is actually a business organization that only thinks about money. I really do not think that people actually understand how much money is generated through cricket. As @Sithara007 is saying, ICC should claim that they are a business organization, in business, there are risks and you have to think about risk versus the world at all time, but ICC does not have that problem. They are going to earn money regardless.

Nope. Every sports body doesn't behave like this. FIFA spends a majority of their revenue every year to develop football in the developing nations. And the remaining revenue is divided equally between the 211 national associations. In order to make football more popular (it is already the most popular sport in the world), they have increased the number of participants in the world cup to 48 (from 32). On the other hand, the ICC reduced the number of participants in the ODI world cup from 16 to 10. World Rugby is another organization which puts sports above money. They divided the member nations to several tiers, and provided additional funding to each country to develop the sport, depending on the tier.

As a neutral spectator, it seems to me ICC giving so much importance to their top three or four whatever you like to call them. They have been so biased.

[Sithara007]

Nepal has not received much recognition for their cricket compared to Emirates Cricket. Here are some reasons. One is Emirates Cricket got ICC membership in 1990 while Nepal in Asian Cricket in 1994 Under-19 World Cup in 1999 and the ICC Trophy for the first time in 2001. I expect gradually Nepal cricket will improve If they increase their importance in cricket they will definitely be able to do better in future.

Nepal is a team which is 100% comprised of native players. On the other hand, the United Arab Emirates comprises solely of foreign players. Previously they had token Arab players such as Saeed-Al-Saffar and Sultan Zarawani, but now they have stopped including natives. And many of the foreign players are ex-first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Nepal is finding it very tough to play against such experienced players and therefore they are losing one match after the other. And this again triggers a chain reaction. ICC funding is based on performance. As a result, the funding for Nepal will be decreased and that for the UAE will be increased.

[rojan]

Batting first in Pakistan Women vs Ireland Women, 3rd ODI ICC Championship Match Ireland Women scored 225 runs in 49.5 overs. In this match they lost all the wickets of Ireland Women. Leah Paul played very well in this match she scored 64 runs from 94 balls. .Amy Hunter scored 41 runs off 43 balls.However, Ireland Women could not score many runs in this match.

everyone is so busy in Men's cricket that they don't have time to watch the woman sports at all.
I don't know why people are not much interested in Women's sports. That is a sorry sight indeed.

I don't like watching women play. I don't like watching women play. Watching men play is a different kind of fun that I don't get from women. But I have seen women bowl properly.  And even if they have the skills to bat, they can't do very well in almost every match. If we observe, we can see that the women players are far ahead of the men players of different countries and they have gone to much bigger positions.

[pakhitheboss]

Nepal has not received much recognition for their cricket compared to Emirates Cricket. Here are some reasons. One is Emirates Cricket got ICC membership in 1990 while Nepal in Asian Cricket in 1994 Under-19 World Cup in 1999 and the ICC Trophy for the first time in 2001. I expect gradually Nepal cricket will improve If they increase their importance in cricket they will definitely be able to do better in future.

Nepal is a team which is 100% comprised of native players. On the other hand, the United Arab Emirates comprises solely of foreign players. Previously they had token Arab players such as Saeed-Al-Saffar and Sultan Zarawani, but now they have stopped including natives. And many of the foreign players are ex-first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Nepal is finding it very tough to play against such experienced players and therefore they are losing one match after the other. And this again triggers a chain reaction. ICC funding is based on performance. As a result, the funding for Nepal will be decreased and that for the UAE will be increased.

Cricket is not the favourite sports of Nepal. If CAN wants to win matches then first they need to promote cricket at the grass root level. If they are facing funds issue then like other countries they can also hire first class cricketers. No one is stopping them! This will help them in defeating other countries and getting those funds which they can invest in cricket infrastructure and nurturing local talent for the future.

[JSRAW]

Nepal has not received much recognition for their cricket compared to Emirates Cricket. Here are some reasons. One is Emirates Cricket got ICC membership in 1990 while Nepal in Asian Cricket in 1994 Under-19 World Cup in 1999 and the ICC Trophy for the first time in 2001. I expect gradually Nepal cricket will improve If they increase their importance in cricket they will definitely be able to do better in future.

Nepal is a team which is 100% comprised of native players. On the other hand, the United Arab Emirates comprises solely of foreign players. Previously they had token Arab players such as Saeed-Al-Saffar and Sultan Zarawani, but now they have stopped including natives. And many of the foreign players are ex-first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Nepal is finding it very tough to play against such experienced players and therefore they are losing one match after the other. And this again triggers a chain reaction. ICC funding is based on performance. As a result, the funding for Nepal will be decreased and that for the UAE will be increased.

I don't understand why don't Cricket Association of Nepal reach out to BCCI? Not sure about the ground realities of Nepal cricket much, is there any bad blood between them and BCCI in any way?

If not, then both boards could indeed sign some sort of a contract where Nepali players get to play in the Ranji etc. I know many state boards in India will oppose it as they have to look out for their interest as well due to cut-throat competition among states.

But still, they could include some players or maybe allow the Nepali team to compete in Ranji, just like any other team.

[Sithara007]

I don't understand why don't Cricket Association of Nepal reach out to BCCI? Not sure about the ground realities of Nepal cricket much, is there any bad blood between them and BCCI in any way?

If not, then both boards could indeed sign some sort of a contract where Nepali players get to play in the Ranji etc. I know many state boards in India will oppose it as they have to look out for their interest as well due to cut-throat competition among states.

But still, they could include some players or maybe allow the Nepali team to compete in Ranji, just like any other team.

LOL.. is this a joke? The BCCI has a (unwritten) policy of not helping any of the associate members. The only exception was that of Afghanistan, where the government directed them to provide facilities and training (due to political reasons). Anyway, the BCCI is not required to provide any support to the Cricket Association of Nepal (CAN), since it is the responsibility of the ICC and the ACC. To their credit, the ACC is doing all it can, while the ICC is mostly focusing on "high-growth" markets such as the United States and Canada (without any results).

[JSRAW]

I don't understand why don't Cricket Association of Nepal reach out to BCCI? Not sure about the ground realities of Nepal cricket much, is there any bad blood between them and BCCI in any way?

If not, then both boards could indeed sign some sort of a contract where Nepali players get to play in the Ranji etc. I know many state boards in India will oppose it as they have to look out for their interest as well due to cut-throat competition among states.

But still, they could include some players or maybe allow the Nepali team to compete in Ranji, just like any other team.

LOL.. is this a joke? The BCCI has a (unwritten) policy of not helping any of the associate members. The only exception was that of Afghanistan, where the government directed them to provide facilities and training (due to political reasons). Anyway, the BCCI is not required to provide any support to the Cricket Association of Nepal (CAN), since it is the responsibility of the ICC and the ACC. To their credit, the ACC is doing all it can, while the ICC is mostly focusing on "high-growth" markets such as the United States and Canada (without any results).

So the situation is that bad between both cricketing boards or should I say there is no coordination whatsoever.

Do you think if the Nepal Gov or to some extent Cricket Association of Nepal request the Indian Gov or BCCI then they could come up with some sort of consensus?

[Sithara007]

So the situation is that bad between both cricketing boards or should I say there is no coordination whatsoever.

Do you think if the Nepal Gov or to some extent Cricket Association of Nepal request the Indian Gov or BCCI then they could come up with some sort of consensus?

First of all, the relationship between the two governments is not very warm. KP Sharma (former Nepali Prime Minister) was considered very close to China, and his predecessors are also viewed with a lot of suspicion by the Indian government. And the ordinary Nepalis are angry at the Indian government, veer since the latter imposed a complete blockade of the country after the 2015 earthquake, in which thousands of Nepalis died. India demanded that Nepal give citizenship to migrants from Bihar, which the Nepal government refused. As a result of the blockade, there was an acute shortage of medicine and fuel after the earthquake hit Nepal.

The case with Afghanistan is different. That country is strategically located and is very useful to India in order to counter influence from Pakistan in the central Asian region. And that is the reason why the Indian government is trying hard to make good relations with the Taliban regime now.

Ideally politics should be separate from cricket. But that is not the case always.