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2301  Other / Meta / Re: A friend of mine says he cannot post anything on: January 21, 2022, 11:59:16 AM
Worth noting OP. You've included potentially sensitive information, since the user has their email hidden from the public, but your screenshot shows it despite it being somewhat low quality. Might be worth removing it, we don't actually need to see what it looks like on their side.

I thought newly created accounts can post immediately after registering and wouldn't have to wait 6 minutes before they can post and the 6 minutes timer only starts after the newly created account posted anything.
The account registered on Jan 16th. In all likelihood, the user is logging in perhaps even multiple days in a row, and then trying to post immediately after logging in, because I do believe that logging in counts as an action which triggers the waiting time between posts etc.

So, its not linked to the registration or being a new user per say, its the logging in, and then trying to post before the waiting time has expired.
2302  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Russia's Central Bank proposes ban on Cryptocurrency trading and mining on: January 21, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
As far as I can remember, Russian has been saying this since 2017?

But the problem is that one day they will say that they are going to issue a blanket ban, but the next day another official will give a statement that will totally contradict everything.

So for now, it's better to "take everything with a grain of salt" news coming from Russia regarding crypto (whether positive or negative).
Its not Russia, i.e the government. It's the central bank which means this is pretty meaningless. A lot of organisations, banks or whatever routinely propose things to the government, and more often than not get turned down.

What your referring too about contradicting each other could potentially be various different people from different parties or organisations, rather than from the currently in control government officials. Even past officials often give their opinion about things, but by no means does that mean they're representing the government.

Last time I checked from reliable sources, there was only one proposal and it was banning banks from investing in cryptocurrencies or mining cryptocurrencies. It had nothing to do with people and whether they invest in bitcoin or mine it.
Similar bans already exist in a lot of other countries prohibiting banks from getting involved in crypto markets.
Which benefits the cryptocurrency community, since banks have a rather large amount of spending power, which would actually centralize the share of Bitcoin slightly. Not anything that would be truly problematic, but enough to feel a little uncomfortable about it.
2303  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: January 21, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
I know I've long embraced the wooden spoon (I promise I'll do better at committing to picks in the future Cheesy), but here's my predictions for tonight's match between Norwich, and Watford. I actually think it's going to be a non eventful game, ending in a 0 - 0. If anything I see Pukki potentially netting a goal for Norwich. Watford have looked rather lackluster in all departments recently, even when they've gotten a result. Norwich haven't been much better though.

I've also got Wolves to win 2-0 against Brentford on the weekend. If I was going to put a lot of money on it, I'd say Wolves at least keep a clean sheet so betting against  BTTS (both teams to score) market might actually be the best bet to make.
2304  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 21, 2022, 11:37:39 AM
Might be worth edging your bets on either Ngannou TKO or Gane via decision. I think we can all agree we don't realistically see Ngannou winning via anything else, and Gane probably has a slim chance of knocking out Ngannou.

From what I understand it seems Ngannou is interested in re-signing with the UFC but wants a clause in his contract that allows him to box as well. Dana should probably compromise and give it to him or allow him to do it and get a 10% cut of the fight or something. It would be a huge loss for the UFC if he leaves and more more fighters will end up going when they know they can get get huge sums for these super-star cross-promotion boxing fights. Connor got an exception with Mayweather so it's not impossible. That was a co-promotion with the UFC and I believe Dana got quite a hefty cut of McGregor's purse so it's probably something he should consider letting some of the other UFC superstars do, otherwise he risks losing them all together.
Personally, I wish fighters weren't held ransom by Dana as much. They shouldn't be restricted in participating in a different sport to MMA, I get that Dana doesn't want fighters moving to another organisation, while still contracted to the UFC. I get that, but the only reason they'd do that is because of money, so make it worth their while, so they wouldn't have too.

Obviously, you'll get those that are just out there to make as much money as possible, so I get the idea of limiting it to other organisations, but to boxing? I don't think so. Maybe, Dana could potentially restrict it to signing on a multiple contract basis, but allow them to fight the one of fight every so often. It doesn't hurt Dana, and if a UFC fighter does well in boxing it could potentially bring in new fans to the UFC.

Now, I know that Ngannou looks a bit underdogish for this fight, but I bet on him because, firstly, I like to bet on the underdog, you get high multipliers, and, secondly, in my personal opinion, Ngannou's chance of winning is above 50%.
From an outcome perspective, I'd say Gane has a chance of submission, and points with a outside chance of knocking him out. While Ngannou has a chance of knockout, potentially a very slim chance of a submission. So, I'd say that purely from a outcome perspective Gane has the better probability because of his tools at his disposal. However, we know the power of Ngannou, but we also know the movement of Gane.

This is probably one of the hardest to call fights in the heavyweight division for some time. Completely opposite fighters, but you can never really rule out a power hitting such as Ngannou.
2305  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can Quantum Computer's destroy Blockchain and Bitcoins[SHA-256 specifically] on: January 21, 2022, 10:02:58 AM
Yes, but "knowing a little" is not enough to solve all problems. For example, he knew enough to use ECDSA, but he didn't know for example that public keys can be compressed. He knew and wrote about decentralized mining, but he didn't know how to make it "good enough for production", so he didn't include that:

As you can see, he thought what will happen when the difficulty will be higher. But he didn't know how to "instead of making ฿50 every 20 hours, make ฿5 every 2 hours" in a decentralized way. That means knowing some topic and talking about it is something completely different than doing that in practice and turning ideas into code.
To be fair, on one person is going to be able to solve everything, that's the beauty about open source. Even if it wasn't open source, you have departments within development companies for a reason. A lot of the time its not even the coders that are coming up with the ideas, there's a department that thinks about about the improve the product, and then the developers translate that into code. So, while Satoshi might have not known everything, that really wasn't a problem. Satoshi isn't a god, and although this community, and the general Bitcoin community have sort of built in into their mind that he was some god that knew everything, that definitely wasn't the case, as with everyone.

If you look at pretty much every scientist, they've had breakthroughs which have changed how we view the world, but they've also been equally wrong in some theories. Satoshi is no different. Bitcoin is no different. The beauty of it is Bitcoin is open source, Satoshi knew if he could gather enough attention, as well as develop it enough to get the fundamentals down, he knew other people would contribute to the code. So, Satoshi might have lightly brushed the surface on a lot of things, because at the time they weren't a priority, the priority was to get the fundamentals down, plan enough in the future so that the next few years there wouldn't be too many problems, but thinking about quantum computers or even compressing public keys probably wasn't necessary at the time.

It's quite common for a developer to do the fundamentals, and then revisit, and add polish where necessary. Besides, wasting time coming up with a solution to every problem is inefficient when the project is open source, and there's likely going to be several others looking for solutions. As the saying goes two eyes is better than one, and in this case multiple brains will always trump one brain when it comes to such a huge task.

I don't see quantum computers a threat for bitcoin and with recent changes in Taproot protocol it will be possible to protect against that, if it ever happens.
Its always been possible to protect against it. Though, why protect against something which is unlikely to happen in the next decade, when you could be focusing on other things? If quantum computers happen to break Bitcoin sooner than expected, as you say multiple other industries would be in trouble too. Bitcoin, would likely be the least enticing target if a malicious user wanted to benefit from using quantum computers as a way of attack.
2306  Economy / Reputation / Re: [LIST] ANN threads that are using bumping services on: January 21, 2022, 09:45:00 AM
I plan on merging the consecutive posts that have been left on the original list. I'll then review the replies in this thread.

I looked through that topic, but outright spam has long been deleted there, there are more or less constructive posts left, so there is no point in reporting this topic, most likely there will be only Bads for sent reports.
Sweet, I guess my overall message was in the future don't be afraid of reporting the thread, and indicating in the report field that you suspect certain users are bumping the thread or engaging in fake conversations. It's only one bad report, and I'm sure the local moderators would appreciate more reports that could potentially clean up their section.
2307  Other / Meta / Re: Monthly Report Statistics on: January 21, 2022, 09:38:26 AM
An interesting stat to measure would be the percentage of posts that have been deleted, either across the forum or (better) within each board.

It feels as though certain boards would have a number 20%+ or higher, were all the spam posts to be reported.
I would say most sections would have over a 20% handled ratio, as opposed to bad or unhandled reports. I'd go as far as saying its probably well over 50%. What would be interesting is seeing the amount of posts deleted which haven't been reported across the forum, unless that's what you meant. I expect that the final figure would probably show how vital reports are in the grand scheme of things.
2308  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Curbing Blockchain evolution? on: January 20, 2022, 11:55:10 PM
Most countries who apparently ban crypto currency in their states has some percentage of their countries revenue invested in cryptocurrency mostly Bitcoin. This public ban on cryptocurrency is just to stare up FUD amongst the weak maybe because the government always wants to dorminate and have full access to their citizens assets so the can closely monitor and manipulate things whenever they wish. But thanks to Blockchain technology a new monetary reform where one can manage their assets without government inference.
Not sure where you've heard that, it doesn't really make a lot of sense for them to ban it in that case. This is likely false rumours spread on Bitcoin related communities because anything negative about Bitcoin seems to be met with hostility.

The only slightly plausible, and I use plausible rather distantly is a country trying to buy up a large amount of Bitcoin as an attempt to centralise the circulation, though that's very likely tin foil hat territory, and again wouldn't make much sense.

Those who understand that fact, will not be afraid of a crypto ban!
Not sure, usually most people actually conform to government restrictions. The only time change ever comes is when governments take it a little too far. I don't think with the current adoption rate, banning Bitcoin will have a massive backlash. It might create people to become a little more curious about it, but there aren't likely to be a majority of the population annoyed at the fact that Bitcoin has been banned. A few years down the line when there's a lot more adoption, maybe.
2309  Economy / Reputation / Re: [LIST] ANN threads that are using bumping services on: January 20, 2022, 11:44:01 PM
As far as I can tell a lot of the threads in the original post are now somewhat cleaned apart from a few exceptions which will take a little longer to go through. I've likely revisit them from time to time to see if we've got any new spam waves, though judging by the activity of a lot of them, I suspect whoever has been behind the spam waves have either quit or moved on.

Sadly, I could not do anything for this topic, as I do not know Russian. Maybe Welsh can take a look though...
We have Russian speaking moderators which are pretty active. So, you can just report them if you suspect something is up. You don't necessarily need to know the language to report if you've recognized a pattern, the moderators that can speak the language (not limited to Russian) can then review it. Yeah, there's probably a slightly higher chance of getting a bad report, but really it doesn't matter all that much.

I personally won't act on a report that I don't understand the language of. We have local moderators for a reason Smiley.

 
2310  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: January 20, 2022, 11:30:14 PM
Partey with a straight red in tonight's cup fixture against Liverpool, and what looked to be quite a few tired legs out there by the end of the match. Might be worth considering this when your doing your predictions for the weekend. If I was to predict anything, I'd go with a 0-0 draw.

@Welsh I had no idea how bad it was with Digne,,, I just read now that actually he fell out with Rafa. This was one of Everton's best players I wonder why or how a club reaches a point they make enemies with player manager within months and then get sold. But all good for Villa I guess.

And yes,,, I am the happiest person on earth. Spurs won and what a way we won!
I'm not entirely sure how the board allowed it to happen, especially since they must have been considering moving on Rafa at that point. I don't think the problem ends with Rafa, the board seem to be a little bit clueless at times too. Obviously, as a Liverpool fan I'm loving it. I remember genuinely being a little worried a few seasons ago when they started to do some real nice business in the transfer market. Not because I worried they'd over take us, its just the idea of a rival getting better, and somewhat competitive for titles. Thank god it never really amounted to anything.
2311  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 20, 2022, 11:26:51 PM
If I understand the situation correctly Francis has one more fight on his contract which will expire with his fight this month, but the UFC has a champions clause which means if he wins he has to have another fight so it could be an interesting situation if his contract keeps getting extended. If he wins (or keeps winning) then he's going to have to keep fighting, but if he loses his stock will drop and is someone like Fury going to want to fight him then?
I actually wasn't aware of this, being contractually tied to the UFC basically if he continues to win. I'm not sure if this is something I should factor in when betting on the fight. I've been wondering if Ngannou has his sights set on something else over the horizon, and therefore might not be as well prepared as he usually is for fights, and therefore end up losing on that basis. Though, if this is true, and he truly wants to make the move to another sport or organisation, then it was be in his benefit somewhat to lose so he doesn't get contractually tied to keep fighting.

Although, like you rightly point out if he loses he loses a big part of that fear factor which is what will get him big money elsewhere. I'm wondering if vacating the belt would be the best option if he beats Gane. That way, he doesn't technically lose, but I'm not sure how well the UFC have tied up that contract.

I know there's been issues in the past where the UFC haven't allowed fighters to fight in other sports because technically they're still tied to it. I believe even retired fighters looking to make a move into boxing to get a little bit of a retirement fund. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though.
2312  Other / Meta / Re: Lost thread on: January 20, 2022, 11:19:03 PM
This post isn't exactly fitting to your criteria of keywords, though maybe that's why you aren't finding it. This thread was made by theymos, and has a theme of creating a nation somewhat. Has been active in the last year too. That thread at least had some decent discussion in it, although there's been plenty of discussions relating to a Bitcoin nation over the years, so you might find it difficult to find the exact one.

Obviously, if you could start a new discussion if you want to discuss something like that. Unless, you just want to read up on the old thread due to it being of particular value to you.
2313  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 20, 2022, 03:33:49 PM
In an interview Francis actually said he knock Gane out in sparring. Although things don't always happen in a real fight, Gane could do the same to Francis this time. So those odds might change soon.
Yeah, but I believe this was refuted by Gane so its a classic hype building statement, which can't be proved either way, and its his word against Gane. So, I'd take that with a pinch of salt, especially since in sparring you aren't meant to be knocking out anyone.

If they're doing light sparring which I believe is what the video was showing they don't tend to wear head guards, but when they start pressing on the gas a little any respectable training facility will insist on head guards. Even then, its not meant to be knocking out your training partner.

Like I said this is likely the classic pre fight build up rather than anything truthful.
2314  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Curbing Blockchain evolution? on: January 19, 2022, 11:14:46 PM
They're curbing the curiosity of people for it with each ban wave they do but that's about it. People who have truly learned of what Bitcoin is will know that banning it wouldn't really do anything, so they'll just stay. As others have said, the only true way to really ban Bitcoin is to kill the entire internet, which would probably cost a LOT afaik, so to answer you, no, there's really no effective way to actually "ban" Bitcoin. The most they're doing is pushing users away from using it, a warning so to say. A completely ineffective one though.
I'd argue that they create more curiosity by banning it than they would if they just left it alone. The thing is Bitcoin doesn't appeal to everyone, because it still has a niche appeal. For example, not everyone wants to be responsible for their money without any safety nets. Although, by banning it the government are sort of playing into the core concept of Bitcoin, and that's avoiding censorship.

If a government bans it that basically means people will want to know why it has been banned. If they they happen upon good resources they'll soon figure out Bitcoin was created to help with freeing people from banks. Though, I suspect if they aren't using a VPN, and they're searching from a country that has banned Bitcoin, the search results will likely be skewed to paint a picture of Bitcoin, rather than the truth.

I doubt crypto can be totally eradecated, but it can be lown down. The issue is I think we are throwing blockchain at everything because of the increase in people's interest (and the opportunity to take advantage of it), and that's slowing down the actual tech development. And that could be the reason why people are predicting its downfall because it seems like the tech is losing its appeal and can't seem to be incorporated into anything else. But that's just wrong perception.
I don't know, I feel that Altcoins are the ones which are implementing the Blockchain into everything they can, usually unnecessarily. However, Bitcoin's community hasn't really pushed the idea that Blockchain solves everything. In fact, I think the opposite message has been sent. Its common for new users to think that the Blockchain can be implemented everywhere, but in reality the Blockchain still has very niche appeal. I'm not sure if that's limiting development though, I would say its rather non influential in the development of Bitcoin.
2315  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 19, 2022, 10:34:06 PM
But what's the alternative for him? Sure, he could go to other promotions, but that doesn't mean he would get any more money and he wouldn't be the champ anymore. Also, UFC never seemed to really care about him being champion, i always got the feeling they didn't know what to do with him (marketing-wise), so I doubt they will make any moves towards pleasing him. I mean, what's the track record of UFC losing big names due to not paying enough? Not that much, unfortunately (for the fighters)
Seems to be motivated by money rather than what sport he's participating in so we could see him make the switch to boxing. I mean the guy is probably one of the biggest heavyweights we've seen, so he kind of markets himself because of his physique. I've always got the impression that they wasn't married to the idea of keeping him around, though. You know like Conor no matter what that man does he always gets the biggest fights, partly because he causes drama.

UFC haven't lost that many, but it only takes a few bigger names to start looking for alternatives, and they'll have to change their ways because they will start losing fighters. Luckily for UFC in the MMA world they've pretty much got the monopoly so until another organisation starts paying more, and getting to the level of fame that fighters might be looking for it might be more of the same.

Although, in the last two years fighters have been much more vocal about money issues with the UFC. It doesn't look good when champions are saying they'll take x fight because its more money or x champion will leave because they don't think they're getting paid enough. Obviously, recently we had Jake Paul trying to get involved, and said he was advocating for better pay for UFC fighters, which didn't go down to well with Dana.

I just feel despite Dana being quite stubborn, and strong in his beliefs, sooner rather than later he'll have to somewhat cave into the demands. I'll be honest I'm not all that interested in Ngannou boxing, I wouldn't mind seeing a fight against Fury just because of the different physiques, but really I'm not interested in him boxing beyond that, and surely Ngannou realizes that too.
2316  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: January 19, 2022, 09:57:04 PM
There was 12 seconds on the clock of added time before Tottenham scored their third to win the game apparently. Unfortunately for me, I tuned in to watch Manchester United just to see how their new manager is doing. It was largely an uneventful game, despite it being high scoring. I thought it was pretty poor, the only entertaining part for me was seeing Ronaldo throw a tantrum that he got taken off.

^  Benitez is a legend at Liverpool because he won them the UCL at a time when Liverpool were past their best days and during a decade when their biggest rival, United, was winning the league and so were Chelsea and Arsenal.  So if you were a Liverpool supporter, that UCL title win was probably one big ‘fu’ on everybody.  Maybe it could even be considered a more important UCL title win than Klopp’s...  Dunno, we have to ask LFC_Bitcoin about that.  
Recency bias might mean a lot of Liverpool fans say Klopp. The thing is how we won the tournament with Klopp was magical. Though, Benitez achieved something that we probably wasn't really expected to win. Klopp on the other hand was building up to greatness, and I think a lot of people just thought it was a matter of time.

I personally prefer Klopp's reign, but that's probably because I'm just overall a bigger fan of him as a manager instead of what hes achieved compared to Rafa. Though, I must say, and this might be recency bias again, but under Klopp we've truly had some magical moments. Back when Lallana scored, and ran to Klopp, the Barcelona Corner with Origi becoming a legend of a substitute, and finally winning the Premier League. Plus, Alison's recent goal to keep us in a champions league spot, as well as Nat Phillips turning himself into cult hero during a time where our entire defense was out injured. Its been a crazy ride under Klopp, and at least in the last decade is probably unrivaled by anyone from a Liverpool's perspective.

Probably all Liverpool fans well-liked Rafa, but not on his team bench. He is fine when Rafa is on Everton (their one of the biggest rivals), certainly not because there is a possibility that it will bring them great results.
The funny thing is he was well liked before, however since he's sold Evertons arguably best player in Digne, and put them close to the regelation spot, he's probably become loved Cheesy.

2317  Economy / Reputation / Re: [LIST] ANN threads that are using bumping services on: January 19, 2022, 09:23:18 PM
Oh I see, thank you for explaining me, Welsh! But I have a question though, regarding multiple posts in a row: why are OPs allowed to do it though...? According to rule 32,

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

unless they have reserved posts, not even OPs should be allowed to have multiple posts in a row. Therefore, why are they allowed?
It's more based on the moderator handling it. I usually merge these types of posts, and handle the post as good. Though, other moderators obviously handle it differently. If you wanted a specific answer as to why they wasn't handled good you'd have to contact the moderator that handled it, though that can be difficult to determine. For example, if you take a look at some of the threads which you've been reporting in you'll find myself, and Mprep merging posts that are both news, and replying to other users consecutively. Usually, its to better organize the thread, and not for it to be annoying for users to navigate.

Reserve posts are allowed because sometimes its cleaner to do so, and there is a limit to the amount of characters in a post, albeit its pretty high.

In the past I also cleaned many of them myself and lately I came across one of many spammy old threads and thought to report and clean it but it is still like fighting with the windmills, so I leaved it.
If you would find it easier to report one post, and indicate in the report message that there's much more spam in the thread itself, then that's perfectly fine! Sometimes with large threads, and a lot of other discussion going on its more convenient to moderators to have individual posts reported, but if your limited for time reporting a single post is more than acceptable, and the moderator handling it will always read the report message before handling it.

You wouldn't be alone, a number of users have done this in the past, and its sometimes more efficient for everyone.

2318  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 19, 2022, 08:56:31 PM
Ngannou not likely to sign another contract with the UFC, unless they give him a hefty pay rise. Wonder how Dana will handle it, if he gives money to Ngannou, he'll need to give it to other fighters also, which could open a can of worms.

I'd like to see a pay restructure since most fighters on the card are criminally underpaid when you compare it with other sports, and we've had this discussion before about MMA fighters needing to pay higher fees than boxers due to learning multiple disciplines.

I can't believe this odds I see now on Francis N'Gannou to win against Ciryl Gane!  Shocked
I know both of them are great fighters but giving N'Gannou role of an underdog  will just make him want to win faster to prove everyone wrong.
Dana White is not in good relations with him and maybe he would want to see Ciryl Gane as new champion of heavyweight division...
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-270-ngannou-vs-gane/ngannou-francis-vs-gane-ciryl-619df136e5327bf6e886778c
Weird, every other gambling website I've looked at had similar odds even the local bookies has it at similar odds. It's only Sportsbet that's got Ngannou as a favourite. Everywhere else I've looked its currently around 2.25 for Ngannou, and 1.66 for Gane.

I guess with Ngannou and Gane, one of the reasons why was that leaked tape showing the sparring session the both had at MMA Factory, Ngannou’s former gym.   If anybody finds a YT clip feel free to post it itt.
If its the same tape I saw I'd say that put Gane in a more positive light than Ngannou, right?
2319  Other / Meta / Re: Monthly Report Statistics on: January 19, 2022, 08:42:22 PM
is that incentivized in any way?
I'd say its probably best to avoid thinking what's best for the moderators in terms of getting paid, and just use common sense when reporting. So, if the thread is fairly obvious what needs to be removed or the user in question is a mass spammer, then its probably more time efficient for both the moderator, and yourself to just report with a "check post history" rather than going through their entire post history, and reporting it.

Same as threads, sometimes with obvious cases its just best to report one post, and indicate there's more posts like it in the thread. For example, a lot users do this with bumps.

Also, sometimes when reporting consecutive reports some users report each post, when really only one needs to be reported.

The way staff are paid can't be perfect though as it doesn't take into consideration PMs reported and issues handled with that. I've suggested before that PM reports should also go into a queue which can be handled/marked bad like current reports are. Hopefully it will be on the new forum.
I always assumed they went into the same queue as traditional reports. I'm assuming that its the default way that SMF handles these types of reports, and its too much hassle to change rather than it being intentional?
2320  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 18, 2022, 08:26:43 PM
I'm getting odds at 1.67 for Gane now. Wish I pulled the trigger a few weeks ago when it was 1.90 each. Thinking its worth just putting a bet on Ngannou now for the knockout. Ngannou is priced at 2.30 for the win, while the knockout is 2.50. Considering I can't see any way that Ngannou wins this other than knockout that small increase for the TKO is probably worth it. Disappointed though, as I wanted to bet for Gane at 1.90, and whatever the outcome then I would've been satisfied.

The one we all have been waiting for, what more can you say? If you are a UFC fan defiantly a must see card from California. The NGANNOU will destroy the Frenchman, within two rounds.
One thing for certain is Ngannou will be getting his face boxed in by Gane's superior jab, and movement. So, if he's going to finish it he'll need to do it early, since he carries a lot more muscle, and muscle requires a lot more energy to keep going. At the pace Gane will set with his movement I imagine Ngannou will be getting tired very quickly on the night.
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