Our group may be interested in supporting some of that 1st quarter purchases Zefir. Depending of course how the prototype meshes with the A1.

Maybe 500 - 1000 off the top of my head if we are happy with the A1 Chip and likely only for January not February or March as we are keen on the Minion following on in February / March.

I think you might want to thank others. BFL for the most part has not made dreams come true. They have fallen short by more than a few months of making anyone happy.

Let us be honest about that, clearly they have left more people wanting refunds over those who have been interested in ordering more products beyond the crap they already "rushed" out the side door. The gravy train ends with the fact their products are late, poorly assembled, lacking any real design insight or quality particularly with regards to cooling and casing and to be honest no one is buying the idea they are part of the community. They are not helping BitCoin they are part of the long line of people dragging it down for personal gain.

Why don't we stick to the topic at hand. Product failures / Underperformance.

Doesn't matter if they ordered in August or Today.


17 weeks minimum before anything ships with regards to a Monarch until they say they have completed Tape out. After taping out they have stipulated a 15 week timeline before shipping any sort of real number of units.


15 / 4 = 3 and 3 quarters months from when the taping out is complete. That is when you can start the clock. Right now the clock has not started.

111 DAYS.

If they finished taping out tomorrow first units would ship by late March or early April.


Given the BFL propensity for delays, poor design in terms of packaging of the last chip, redesign of boards etc you might want to look at 300 gh/s GPU style hashing like this as pretty much a hard nut to crack particularly in terms of cooling. They really didn't do cooling well for their current units did they? Most people have had to rip off the cases, re-apply heat sink paste and carefully make sure that there is even contact across the surface of the chips with the heat sink.

If it takes 182 days to get their Monarch out to a few people that will be impressive but no one knowing their current product line would expect them to do any worse or better than they have already with the last design. They simply will drop the ball on this product and anyone who has put money in this dog really is going to get bitten hard.

Why would anyone put money on this unit when you have at least two very solid and viable options like KnC, and BitFury derivatives that actually deliver?

I will discuss that with the EE this Saturday at the meeting and get you a "press - release" about what we need help with directly.

We pay for work on the project in shares so this is not volunteerism just for people to note.

That is just cruel... Hunting peppers for sport!

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Point being take they screwed me badly posts to the other threads.
 
Like to hear more about how lousy the BFL line of products are and how they are consistently underperforming for a statistically significant number of users. From that the users, that pretty much got shafted with crap products, can salvage things as they have been doing pretty much without any BFL support.

Bad design.
Poorly assembled.
Bargain basement parts.
Weak and ineffectual CRM.

Ya, let us point out the error of the compound word... ya that's what's fucking wrong here right? What a "douche" bag. Hyphenate that insult.

Too many ...... at the end there buddy ..... not the proper way to use an ellipsis .... is it..... The most common form of an ellipsis is a row of three periods or full stops (. . .) or a precomposed triple-dot glyph (…). The usage of the em dash (—) can overlap the usage of the ellipsis. The Chicago Manual of Style recommends that an ellipsis be formed by typing three periods, each with a space on both sides.



You have been edmucated. Note you have been on my ignore for a good many months and with recent slanderous commentary from the BFL peanut gallery I have added Josh his ilk to that as well. So, that will be the only free punctuation lesson you get from me tool. I am a lot more than an English teacher have been for years so you might want to keep digging through the net for hours to learn the truth. You guys must really really like me to go to all the effort of digging up pictures from 10 years ago, truly laughable.

I sense desperation in these posts... what nothing jumped out like being a defendant in criminal case? Obviously because I don't have a record, never been arrested never stole anything from anyone, and I have tried, as best as I can, in my life to be honest and act with integrity. Unlike Mr. Josh Zerlan vs. his customer base or Time Warner Cable was it?

When you attack the character of people at least try to make it convincing by using facts. All one should do to find out what kind of people defend Josh and BFL is look at these forums. It is all plain to see all you need to do is read no one needs to embellish, slander or lie about what BFL does and what Josh posts. Make up your own minds. Intelligent people will simply deal with more reputable companies and that is happening.

How about we get back on topic. BFL products blow... got anymore examples?

Product Failures / Underperformance...


Not scammed and chucked to the side of the road BFL stories please got 100 of those threads. Just need a nice single repository for people who have had got the hardware, then it broke or under performed.

Management Team Meets Fridays
Canberra, Australia 2000 ACT (GMT +11)

Design Team Meets Saturdays
Seattle, USA 1800 PST (-8 GMT)

WPC Mining Pool Development Team Meets Fridays
Jakarta, Indonesia 1200 WIB (+7 GMT)


If you have the time and are interested in our project feel free to email me or drop me a PM with your email and I will add you to the Zoho Project page where you can find out more on where we meet and the agendas for the meetings.

Me too.

Thank-you.

The group we have is certainly one to watch. Personally I am just a hobbyist and teacher by trade but the team that has come together is really good. I mean really good. When this is released people are going to be gobsmacked.

Drop me an email address and I will add you to the project pages. Standing meetings.

Management Team Meets Fridays
Canberra, Australia 2000 ACT (GMT +11)

Design Team Meets Saturdays
Seattle, USA 1800 PST (-8 GMT)

WPC Mining Pool Development Team Meets Fridays
Jakarta, Indonesia 1200 WIB (+7 GMT)

Where to start?

That is a great question and best answered in the Zoho Project page as there are quite a few items directly in need of immediate attention and we welcome other EEs and Software and Firmware designers to join us. There is a growing list of documents that outline what is required so drop me an email or PM and I can let you into the Project page for a look.

Current Work is focused on a BitFury and Avalon V1 and V2 Wasp prototypes to provide us a baseline for 28nm chips in the form of the A1 and Mininon Wasps in December and February. We are likely to have some working prototype before the New Year and likely mid December. I will post more as I get more information on that.

This is an open source hardware project. All the gerbers and bom will be released to all, and anyone can make their own Wasps and Hives.

We do want fabricators, diy builders and users to license with us so we can provide support for troubleshooting the design, software as well as  firmware updates. The design will help the collective recoup some of the substantial investment of our time and capital while we bring these various Wasps to prototype and finally to production. We welcome people to join the collective and support the project but really anyone out there who is interested in the designs can build this. As part of our design we layering in a number of features including a pretty robust License Enforcement Subsystem. This subsystem's responsibility is to use the device certificate and keys to ensure that the Wasp is properly licensed for its firmware. If anyone is keen on learning more about licensing you can contact me via email or join the group and join in the discussion.

Currently we have had interest from several people in the community who have already provided other types of mining rigs but we are also interested  in supporting smaller efforts and possibly some of our collective members will want to own some Wasps and Hives after all most of us are keen on hobbyists at heart even if a few of the people in the collective have advanced degrees and have a lifetime of experience in electronics and robotics.

Hoping to do more than entertain... we want to provide you with disruptive innovation. Sit back and enjoy.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Sushi.

We will have something hashing in December.

Likely the A1, BitFury and V1 or V2 Avalon.

What didn't you report it as a Phishing scam?

Are people trying bump this thread?

Where?

Yes? Maybe no?