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1901  Other / Off-topic / Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. WTF? on: April 17, 2014, 01:11:43 PM
Uncontrolled Decompression Incidents Posted again for those that missed it buried in the garbage.


Far from unique there are plenty every year.

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Decompression incidents are not uncommon on military and civilian aircraft, with approximately 40–50 rapid decompression events occurring worldwide annually.  "Rapid Decompression In Air Transport Aircraft" (PDF). Aviation Medical Society of Australia and New Zealand. 2000-11-13. Retrieved 2008-09-01.[26]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/16/303654545/43-year-old-cold-case-closed-south-dakota-girls-died-in-accident?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140416

A car crashes 43 years ago and they finally found it.

Doesn't take much for something to disappear without a trace. Now those with the tinfoil hats on please try and imagine aircraft wreckage at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. This is going to be months or years of searching. It was an accident. Depressurization / Fire combo most likely explanation. Plenty of events in the past similar to this event making shit up isn't a solution. Start with the physics and mechanics and make a supposition from that.

It doesn't help your case much comparing an incident that happened to a local town 43 years ago involving 3 people with an incident involving multiple countries, 239 people, and modern day technology. A car crash of that nature, today, would have been found.

In any case, your drawing conclusions without evidence the same way tinfoil hatters do. Where are these past similar events?  This seems like a pretty unique situation.

It helps put it in PERSPECTIVE.

A car can go missing right off a known travelled road and not discovered for 43 years. A plane can do the same. Let us not let the tinfoil hats win. A horrible accident happened. We need to know what happened to protect others from the potential maintenance or engineering flaw. It was NOT aliens, NOR conspiracies or any other BS story your imagination can come up with. I did my part by previously posting the list cabin depressurization accidents and it is not a short list by far and most probably fits this scenario although there maybe others. When you got a theory that relates to what is at least remotely plausible then let us talk about it. The theory I put forward has been put forward by commercial pilots as a plausible explanation. You have to start with the theory that makes some sense and is based on the facts as they are given.

A plane travels hours and crashes well off course in the Indian Ocean?

What does that sound like when you compare it to past events like this?

If I was going to believe anything then it would be fire and decompression and pilots become incapacitated for a plane to fly along then run out of fuel and crash that far off course.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10711590/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-Cairo-777-cockpit-fire-could-yield-clues-to-missing-plane.html

http://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

I suggest when it is found they will find something like this as the cause. You don't need the god of the GAPS argument to make an educated guess. People are making educated guesses. LISTEN to them.


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There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.


http://www.wired.com/2014/03/malaysia-air/

All you have to do is educate yourself. Read widely be skeptical. Just don't ignore the obvious.

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It took investigators two years to recover the black box data recorder from Air France Flight 447, which went down over the Atlantic on June 1, 2009.

1902  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Caveat emptor on: April 17, 2014, 07:22:56 AM
How to Spot a Liar.
1903  Other / Meta / Re: MPOE-PR Perma-Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate? on: April 17, 2014, 05:27:06 AM
I need to back stop and edit a line
John K has returned and paid out coinroll investors and soon the group buy so someone will need to point out a new backstop to fill it in.
Guess change John to a Pirates at 40 reference or something lol.

John K had some serious health issues I guess. Glad to see he is healthy enough to rectify the problems.
1904  Other / Meta / Re: Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum! Trolling on: April 17, 2014, 05:13:02 AM
PG hasn't been the same ever since he drank that koolaide.

And took the silver. He has been paid not to post about BFL he is ethically challenged at best and given the xenophobic remarks he really is unstable and can't be trusted to make sound decisions. If only everyone put him on ignore that sort of Global Ignore would be even better than a ban. No one to listen to his hate speech and twisted ethics would ultimately drive him completely over the edge. He needs help with his OCD that is for certain. No wonder him and Josh were able to "agree" to terms.
1905  Other / Off-topic / Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. WTF? on: April 17, 2014, 04:57:59 AM
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/16/303654545/43-year-old-cold-case-closed-south-dakota-girls-died-in-accident?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140416

A car crashes 43 years ago and they finally found it.

Doesn't take much for something to disappear without a trace. Now those with the tinfoil hats on please try and imagine aircraft wreckage at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. This is going to be months or years of searching. It was an accident. Depressurization / Fire combo most likely explanation. Plenty of events in the past similar to this event making shit up isn't a solution. Start with the physics and mechanics and make a supposition from that.
1906  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Rain and snow took out my miners.... on: April 17, 2014, 04:25:45 AM
Well, I got the Chili working, looking at the CPU under a loupe I could see that there was copper sulfate on the CPU chips which meant it was wet and running for a time period before the power supply blew. Must have been one hell of a storm. Cleaned the chips with isopropyl alcohol and it comes up sometimes when fired. Running now on a BFL single/30 supply, will see if it holds.

Also tried replacing the fuse on the PSU and the house breaker tripped. Wow. Took the Corsair power supply apart and I can see damage on the underside of the power board by the HV switching capacitor. Looks like water pooled under the board where the components were, aided by the plastic insulator, and blew things sky high. I'm guessing the FETs shorted, wow.

The Single is operational but needs the FTDI chip replaced. That's the project for tonight. However since I am one PSU short, running it is going to be a trifle complex. Hm.

Pictures so us visual learners have some perspective of your plight.

Nice that you can salvage in this situation. Keep Calm and Carry C3H8O.
1907  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 16, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
then again this would be laid out automatically with the cad software and I believe that is something requiring some pretty extensive modules in a CAD software something our team doesn't have.
While the power pins area can be autorouted (assuming that's what you meant), I'd just route the signal pins manually first.  But yes, try to get more information.. more layers = more expensive, more chances of something going wrong, etc.  via-in-pad is a whole 'nother world of hurt that's preferably avoided Smiley

My biggest concern is cooling. Any thoughts on this ?
As with the chips you're already used to, vias to a plane on the other side, main cooling element there.  You could see if the ground pins can be through-via'd to the other side (rather than to an internal layer, if used).  The datasheet doesn't seem to mention power dissipation, so choice of cooling element (anodized at exposed areas) would probably have to come after you've got prototypes complete.  Maybe @blackarrow can shed some more light on that, though Smiley

( tbh, given the chip has practically only a single purpose and scant few features are optional, I'm surprised to see no 'typical application and layout' section in the datasheet. Would certainly help get their chips to market on products. )

Yes exactly... the world of hurt is the issue really and anything that might cause higher fabrication error rates is something you must avoid given the price of a single chip. For us it will require our team to invest in more upgrades to Allegro. We are probably going to look at work to a certain point then have someone with the skills and tools to do that aspect. Be interesting, if you want to sit in our meeting, to bend our EE's ear on this as well TheRealSteve let me know I can PM you the details.

Cooling with these are less of problem than with the A1's that is for sure in terms it is not 70% 30% top and bottom. As time goes on these boards will all need some exotic cooling ala Allied Control / Asicminer farm in HK. I am hoping our Hammer Whiteface board will be tested in HK at Allied Control in a new 2 phase system they are designing... potentially from that prototype we could have a Minion Whiteface and "R" Whiteface will be dunked in some Novec but that is something everyone is going to have to move towards if they are going for increased density. Immersion cooling can save you a lot of money.
1908  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 16, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
I was speculating it is probably something else but he did go on about not being able to get the traces through then again this would be laid out automatically with the cad software and I believe that is something requiring some pretty extensive modules in a CAD software something our team doesn't have.

If I remember correctly he did have concerns in that regard with the A1 traces as the pads on that chip were tiny let me go back and listen again to the meeting recording to tease out more information. The BGA is a different kettle of fish entirely though from the A1 though.

Edit: "You can't run a wire between the balls they'd short" from the meeting recording.
1909  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 16, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
While I have no love for routing BGAs, I'm curious... Did your EE specify why they believe the 'inner' pins can't be brought out directly?  It looks like two power planes (row A through AH and the sides of AJ, AK) and signaling pins at row AK that can just be routed straight out one edge, and row AJ that can be routed in between the pads of AK.

Between the pads? Really is there enough space that be a pretty tiny trace wouldn't it?
1910  Other / Meta / Re: Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum! Trolling on: April 16, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
This ban will do nothing to curb his enthusiasm for getting it wrong a lot of the time. Getting it right some of the time. Or accepting BTC from BFL on a slow drip and stopped posting about them entirely.

Ethically that is why I "banned" him from my own daily scan of these forums. I think the Mods have done the right thing and clearly explained why. There is little doubt he needs a break from posting and he will be on the wrong side of these rules again in time.
1911  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag? on: April 16, 2014, 09:40:20 AM
Would anyone change their NO vote to YES knowing what you know now?
1912  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL NO UPDATES OR REPLIES on: April 16, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Hello, I am getting quite worried, as BFL hasn't replied or responded back for quite a long time.
They aren't letting me know, or updating my status at all.
I also sent several replies through the site. And I never got an email from them, and I am
expecting an email to say something on the lines of
*yes we will need $599 for the trade of two asic miners from 3 BFL units.*

As trading is declared on the site.

I have over $1900 with them, and quite worried about this.
I am expecting updates or something.
Its been since June 18, and now its October 16.

Its not like I am, bossing around or anything, I am being quite reasonable,
and sending once every 3-4 weeks saying through there site
any updates? and things.

I am just waiting for one email, about an update. But no response since June 18?
That's unreasonable Huh

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.0
People already have order numbers, wheres mine?  Huh
I don't understand. I prepared for this since June, I should
be one of the earliest ones.



TO: office@butterflylabs.com

Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:04:12 PM

Hello, this is lightlord, I haven't gotten any confirmation yet
but I have said, That I want to delay my 3X832 Units for the ASIC about 5 months ago. Now since its only 3X832,
I saw that its 2X832 for one ASIC Miner.

Will you need $599, for another ASIC miner?
Haven't gotten an email yet. Will I get the 60 giga hash units?
Email at goldvictoriacat@yahoo.ca

Thanks
David



TO: BFLabs <sonny@butterflylabs.com>
Date: Monday, June 18, 2012 4:29:35 AM

Hello Jody,

I have heard about this at

http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
-BitForce SC Single: a standalone unit providing roughly 40 GH/s, priced at $1,299

And I have 3 more on the way which two values about the price of above.
How long into these get released? Can I be on the first to receive list?
Could I trade these 2 of these units for this, so i get this unit first?

And on your site you also offer full 100% trade value.
Can I trade my Current BFL unit I have, which I have 4 in total.
For two of these instead? I will pay the difference and the fee.

Best regards
David

How did this all pan out for you in the end? Be interesting to know what finally happened.
1913  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: April 16, 2014, 09:27:25 AM
There are still people sending them money.

Funny what hope fraud does to folks.

My $.02.

Wink

FTFY
1914  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: AMT_miners Advanced Mining Technology/Technologies are scamming thieves!!! on: April 16, 2014, 09:23:11 AM

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Advanced Mining Technology: Bitcoin Miner Manufacturer Litigation

Practice: Consumer Protection
Phase: Current
 AMT customers seek damages in a lawsuit filed in Federal Court in Philadelphia against AMT for its failure to deliver purchased bitcoin miners and failure to issue refunds causing the customers millions in damages.

Chimicles & Tikellis LLP has initiated a nationwide class action lawsuit on behalf of customers of Advanced Mining Technology, Inc. (a/k/a Advanced Mining Technologies, Inc.)(“AMT”).  Named as defendants in the lawsuit are AMT and two of its founders, owners and/or employees, Joshua Zipkin and Jim Brown.  The case is captioned: Craig Lenell et al. v. Advanced Mining Technology Inc. (a/k/a Advanced Mining Technologies Inc.) et al., Case No. 2:14-cv-01924 (U.S.D.C. ED. PA).

AMT, which is located in Haverford, PA, holds itself out as a manufacturer of specialized technology equipment used to mine bitcoins, a type of cryptocurreny, or virtual currency.  AMT purports to manufacture and sell a line of high-speed bitcoin miners that range in price from approximately $1,500 to $15,000.  The “mining” of bitcoins is an increasingly competitive and time-sensitive process by which computer hardware is used to obtain bitcoins by solving complex mathematical algorithms.  The Complaint alleges that because these algorithms become progressively more difficult over time.

In their Complaint, Plaintiffs Jared Pela, Craig Lenell and Thomas Urbanek allege they and hundreds of other AMT customers ordered and paid for bitcoin miners which they never received from AMT.  After weeks and months of undue delay, Plaintiffs unsuccessfully attempted to cancel their orders and get refunds.  As a result, Plaintiffs allege economic damages including, but not limited to, loss of the purchase price and the lost opportunity to mine bitcoins.

According to the Complaint, AMT’s alleged conduct amounted to unfair, deceptive and fraudulent business practices, a breach of contract, a breach of express warranty, common law fraud, negligent misrepresentation, breach of the duty of good faith and fair dealing, unjust enrichment, and violations of various state consumer protection laws.  The Complaint alleges that by concealing material facts and making false and misleading statements, AMT was able to wrongfully acquire millions of dollars from customers since mid-2013.

If you are interested in discussing your rights as an AMT customer and/or have information relating to the matter, please contact Chimicles & Tikellis by clicking the “Email us about this Case” form, below.

Is there any way to revoke Joshua Zipkin's passport so that he can't leave the country?

Last post... awww. What now PG?
1915  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: April 16, 2014, 09:13:58 AM
yes, do you like to satisfy other people?

I do. But where did Phinneas Gage go?
1916  Other / Meta / Re: Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum! Trolling on: April 16, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
The spam directed at mining fabricator threads who may or may not be evil, so that he could force them into giving him free hardware, seemed a tad much don't you think?
1917  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Rain and snow took out my miners.... on: April 16, 2014, 04:00:23 AM
Bag of rice can't save em or are they totally fried?
1918  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday on: April 16, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
Has Marto refunded as promised?
1919  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 16, 2014, 01:48:21 AM
One issue our lead EE has already seen might be the need for a 6 layer board.

Paraphrasing our EE at the last meeting:

'The inner pins on the Minion can't be brought out directly to be connected. You will need to use at least 4 layers of interconnect and drill microvias to carry the signals, typically put in the pad, which is a much higher standard of manufacturing that is required compared to the more straightforward QFN chips. It is a pretty risky venture and there are plenty of possible faults that can creep in here. Reworking these could be over $150 per chip and a monstrous undertaking as the chips themselves would require being bumped again or the chip has to be discarded.'

Anyone else seen that given the Minion's design?



Minion Datasheet 2014 APR 11
1920  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: April 16, 2014, 01:40:46 AM
Sadly there is NO clear winner in the mining game now for anyone not investing >$1MM  Roll Eyes

That was always going to be the case really.

Group and pool and collectivise your interests and you can keep pace. That is the good thing about Spondoolies they are reaching out and are keen to work with groups and bulk orders. We recently as a group were able to secure some chips so there are still plenty of opportunities available but it won't be like it was in the past an individual at home mining alone. NERD HERDS is your only way to go!

Spondoolies is definitely a breath of fresh air in the mining game let us hope it continues.
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