We have a thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325181.0I have an email. darin.bicknell@gmail.com---- Topic here RED FLAG on Monarch. It just goes without saying at this point for anyone following BFL in their own forums and this forum that they at this point have no product and they missed their first estimate of shipping in October by 3 months and given they have admitted they won't make bulk shipments until March that is minimally a 5 month delay from their first estimate. 5 months later than first estimate if you had paid on or before August 25th. |
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Oh so it is an attack on our product development.
Let me clarify.
1. We took 0 BTC / USD from the community.
2. We set a development timeline and are admittedly a few weeks late but our members are ok with that as we want to get it right and when I invited you Inaba and Fractal and others to our design meeting you turn me down I wonder why?
3. We pay for all the development in house we don't collect coins or dollars to get our product prototypes completed.
Unlike BFL the Wasp Project Collective is not setting timelines to scam anyone, to hype product pre-sales as we are not selling finished modular miners directly to anyone. We have an open source hardware project that will be released when it is ready not before as we all agree 52 members strong we do not want to be like BFL or others taking money for an incomplete design.
Hope that helps.
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I suppose he didn't address any of the points with regards to BFL being late, under spec and obviously a bad choice to buy from given their RMA response time and the fact that 13 months late is not a problem for them. I have little doubt our Wasp prototypes will be working well before the Monarch and we started designing our PCB after them and have no where near the same budget. Let us compare where we are now. We already have packaged ASIC chips in hand both 55nm and 28nm, a completed PCB design and people who have the requisite skills set to achieve a positive result. BFL? No packaged chips, No PCB design except a dummy board with no traces on it, a "team" that has failed to deliver every product they have ever made on time, and to spec. If I were looking at what we have vs BFL and their Monarch then it has to be no contest we are well ahead of them at this point. The biggest difference is you can't pre-order our products and that means no one is going to lose a single satoshi if we fail unlike BFL customers who have already lost any chances of a ROI on the Monarch. Numbers don't lie but Inaba has and continues to do so.
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Attacking the person yet again?
No doubt he is.
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My guess. An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemWas I right? As you know I have him on ignore. |
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My take.
All this speculation is deserved in another thread on that specific topic.
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Zipiju and others have gracefully taken up the work BKKCoins left and that is what the topic should be about now.
Can we agree about that?
Why, because you want this to be your thread now? IMO the fate of the Original Poster BkkCoins is still on topic in this thread. HIS thread. Besides, THIS is the thread people will know to come back to if they want to check the status of possible refunds. Why? Because they ordered products based on the discussion in THIS thread. Not some other new one buried out there in the forums. I do agree that repeated bashing of BkkCoins is not warranted, and is just boring. I think the thread is Zipiju's actually seeing as he has taken the lead. Seems like he just wants to pass along information to everyone and that seems like the right thing to do. Your call do what you like the thread to be I have already said my piece regarding smearing the reputation of someone without evidence and the reasoning behind it. Let us hope we see people get their "Klondikes" running and mining and as I said before that I hope BKKCoins can do whatever he can to pay people back. If anyone starts a new thread to throw some coins together to help offset his burden and pay others back then let me know. I will leave those interested in what Zipiju is doing to do just that and stop posting further. Good luck. |
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They are using some off the shelf design / components and slapping untested chips on it. No doubt they have some sort of deal with a PCB fab that used to do older GPU's etc and have everything all 'lined up'. Cutting corners at every step of the design phase gets you a wonderfully ugly miner that is so retro that that it comes out of the box looking like Steam Punk or something that was made for Battle Star Gallatica  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ0Tw |
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What is the cheapest components we can get in bulk? That is how they design. PSU? Flame out. Fan? Burn out. FPGA chips bargain basement end of line chips. Bulk casing. Cheap and thick heatsink pads that add 10C to every unit. etc etc etc. At some point you really have to look at what they do not so much as design but as firefighting every other mistake they make when coming up with a new mining platform. What happens when Asicminer drops a 20nm chip into the same system of blades in that existing cooling platform? BOOM just when you are about to receive your wonderful GPU 600GH/s piece of crap one blade on this back plane board below will be pulling in 1 or 2 Th/s. Game over anyway you want to slice it. http://hongwrong.com/hong-kong-bitcoin/The company behind the operation is Asicminer, who own multiple mining facilities. Cao said the facility was ‘quieter than a library’ Density. Have a look at the direction that Asicminer went see it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0 This. Versus  a GPU with all this tubing etc. Clearly they don't get it and they don't understand where the next thing in mining is. They have chosen wrong. Very wrong. Also they don't include the psu's and the mobo you are going to need to do these in any sort of density. $$$ tis gonna cost you a lot more time as well setting these up and tweaking. Too much time. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3516757#msg3516757The key factors to make industrial mining profitable is access to low prized energy, minimized energy bills, small space requirements, rapid deployment, low infrastructure overhead on the facility level, organized and simplified logistics, a design that can be re-used for several generations, and good experienced people with an appetite for new and untested terrain. As a result, the mining lifespan of each generation will be greatly improved and mining income maximized. |
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My take.
All this speculation is deserved in another thread on that specific topic.
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Zipiju and others have gracefully taken up the work BKKCoins left and that is what the topic should be about now.
Can we agree about that?
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Buy from BFL, you a stupid mutha-fucka
Known around da hood as da schoolyard clucka
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Where can I buy the album? In two weeks you say? |
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The problem is if you actually do the numbers. The Monarch will make you less BTC than what you paid for it. If you are using USD then just buy BTC and save yourself the hassle. There really is no scenario given their 65nm debacle where you would want anything they have to offer. There are people selling miners right now off the shelf. Why would you even entertain the notion of buying from BFL? They can't even justify buying from them at the reduced prices and couple that with no guarantees they will ship 'on time' from their moving and amorphous estimates why would you even bother? If you know the reality there is no reason then to buy from BFL. BFL doesn't offer refunds ever. BFL is always late. BFL has never hit specification they have set. At this point the only people buying their product either don't know the history or are paid by BFL to promote BFL hardware. The only other alternative is they are misinformed or deluded into believing BFL will deliver as promised.
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What is your timeline on fabrication of the Live Unicorn?
Are you using child labour to produce these units? As I see a lot of work that seems outside the lines and shotty like a child did it.
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We are developing a modular miner with the Minion. Minion chips will drop end of February. We will have a prototype as soon as sample chips are out. It is open hardware and we provide support and licensing for these units. If you are interested drop me an email to discuss where we are and where we will be in February for the Minion Wasp. darin.bicknell@gmail.com |
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You might be mixing TehFiend up with me. I worked for Intel doing direct development down to 14 nm, and some very speculative process research that is still at least 3 generations out. I retired this spring in no small part due to some excellent investment decisions made because I knew Josh was lying and BFL was incompetent back in 2012.  Heehehe. There are quite a few knowledgeable people who here in these forums that have mentioned all along about those 2 things. Thanks for trying to help people see that. HF seems to be tapping the same vein unfortunately. |
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Nothing to see here... March now?
Free water cooling? It is MANDATORY for something like this otherwise it probably won't run.
Feel sorry for anyone that bought this crap.
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... an idea which needs to be pushed forward.
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As long as you don't model for BFL, HashFast or Avalon then keep on doing what you are doing. Bitcoin pinup girls... meh why not have beautiful people posing and promoting bitcoins or altcoins?
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OP is there any BFL warranty? or had you manipulated the single in any way that voids a warranty? I have often wondered about this, seeing how shady BFL was originally with their delays.
Any news? Any news? |
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RFC: Lower bound SPI transfer Volume Estimation for A1 Chip Chains I have been asked from different parties what the maximum chain length of the A1 chips is, and while the specs limits the addressable number of chips to 254, I tried to approach the potential limit from the communication side. To have the chip continuously hashing, for each nonce range the absolute minimum command sequence consists of - 1x 07 to send the job; command length: 30 words
- 1x 08 to get the result; command length: 4 words
Note: this is the average - some jobs have more than one result, others have zero - 1x 0a to get the queue state; command length: 5 words
Note: this is the absolute minimum, might need to cycle poll
To get a command pushed through the chain of M chips, we need to push - 2M words for broadcast commands
- 2N-1 words for unicast commands to chip N
With that, the number of word to write per job to chip N in a M-chip chain is (30 + 2N - 1) + (4 + 2M) + (5 + 2N - 1)
= (29 + 2N) + (4 + 2M) + (4 + 2N)
= 37 + 4N + 2M
For all chips in chain of M chips: W = sum(N = 1..M) {37 + 4N + 2M}
= M * (37 + 2M) + 4 * (M * (M + 1) / 2)
= 37M + 2M^2 + 2M^2 + 2M
= 4M^2 + 39M
= M * (4M + 39)
For the ease of calculations, we assume W = 4M * (M + 10)The lower bound of required words W to transmit for continuous hashing a chain of M chips with that is 1: 44
2: 96
4: 224
8: 576
10: 800
16: 1664
20: 2400
32: 5376
40: 8000
64: 18944
80: 28800
128: 70656A chip running at 800MHz finishes a nonce range in 4/25 seconds or 160ms. Assuming an SPI duty cycle of D = 20% (polling causes idle times) the minimum SPI host clock to serve a chain of M chips is W * 16 * 1/D * 1000 / 160 = W * 500HzMinimum host SPI clock frequency to operate a chain of M chips: 1: 0.02MHz 4: 0.11MHz 8: 0.29MHz 16: 0.83MHz 32: 2.69MHz 40: 4.00MHz 64: 9.47MHz At 800MHz core clock, the A1 internal SPI clock is 12.5MHz. Since it is required to keep external SPI clock below internal, we shall assume 64 chips to be the upper bound chain length to try. Please review and let me know if something is wrong. Having our guys have a look will respond this weekend. Thanks for the info Zefir. ---- [edit] Looks ok from what our EE said. Carry ON! |
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here is my 60 single's new trick, it will run about 12 hours at rated hash, then starts slowly dropping speed. Used to be it took me a few days to notice because it happened slowly, now I will be under 40 in 24 hours and I am rebooting it daily.
anybody heard of this one before?
Memory leak? |
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