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2041  Other / Meta / Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! on: April 05, 2014, 05:01:56 PM
Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.)

I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

Thank you for the honesty and we appreciate you and your team are working on this. Clear the "untrusted" section can be abused and used as a means to spam messages of any kind. Good luck I wish you the best on that but you are leaving the door open here if you do nothing to the people causing this problem. In the interim you might want to ban people engaged in propagating this clearly Inaba/BFL/BFL_Josh are the responsible accounts. Time to give them a holiday from the boards. The list of people doing this will be updated so feel free to monitor these accounts for spamming.

2042  Other / Meta / Re: Josh from BFL is bribing his forum members to leave negative feedback here!!! on: April 05, 2014, 01:45:02 PM
Spammers List those from BFL abusing the trust system as of 05/04/2014:

BFL
Inaba
BFL_Josh
dmelj
Anonymailer
hardhouseinc
Cassey
criminalben
Pry4u
fsb4000
Pokokohua!
securo
Flyeye
BTCJack
stevenmicah
Raw-H
JoRoidx
alphabetacanary
monsterblitz
2043  Other / Meta / Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! on: April 05, 2014, 01:33:52 PM
It amazes me that fsb4000 is still posting and totally disregards the fact that actual people have lost money as a result of BFL. How can you defend BFL knowing in just two cases they owe 2 people almost nearly $80,000 USD or more with lawyers fees.  Sickening. Don't let this guy make a joke of the BFL victims take a stand.
2044  Other / Meta / Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! on: April 05, 2014, 01:15:02 PM
fsb4000

Trust:   -1083: -8 / +3(3)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!


I wonder why this guys trust is now -1083? Could it be he is trying to win vaporware from BFL? Don't let this guy and BFL sock puppets make a mockery of the hundreds of unfortunate BFL customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner who is still looking to recover $62,000 since 2013 or  William Lolli , who won a judgement of over $13,000 but still can't collect because BFL refuses to pay. How can people promote BFL knowing full well the types of criminals they are? fsb4000 is just one of the many people that do need look more closely at the significant NEGATIVE FINANCIAL impact they are having on this community. This is no joke send the right message we don't want the trust system spammed.
2045  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide on: April 05, 2014, 10:48:59 AM
Anyone else got feedback on this thread?

Keep things updated so Dogie can revise ratings.
2046  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: EMPBitcoin 2TH/s Miner - Escrow Only [No Preorder] on: April 05, 2014, 09:15:01 AM
Here is what I think people want to see:

Show your product and specifications state clearly if you can what chip is involved. With some pictures of the product ala spondoolies, onestringminer or bitmains release.

I love that there is a reputable escrow.
I love that there are no PRE-SALES.

Let us see what Dogie says when he gets the unit and does a review.

Has anyone contacted the escrow to confirm it is working with EMPBitcoin on this hardware?

We all know the deal. Until there is a product in your hand and hashing you can rightly be as skeptical as you want. Unfortunately that is how messed up things are now in these forums given the numbers of companies that continue to do business with little or no ethical guidelines. We all hope that we get more reputable companies. Maybe EMPBitcoin will be one maybe it won't. Here is hoping that information is forthcoming and helps us all make an informed decision either way.
2047  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners on: April 05, 2014, 08:59:46 AM
Stand in solidarity with the hundreds of customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner who is still looking to recover $62,000 from BFL. Do not pre-order BFL products like this vaporware the Imperial Monarch or use their cloud mining operations.

Butterfly Labs lost a civil case by default in Kansas’ Johnson County Court in late November 2013. The plaintiff, a Californian named William Lolli, won a judgement of over $13,000 but told Ars that he had not yet collected the award.

These cases are still going on all the while BFL is spamming the trust system to gain more customers?

TAKE A STAND AGAINST BFL'S SPAM
2048  Other / Meta / Re: BFL bringing down the trust rating? on: April 05, 2014, 08:22:43 AM
<3 Dogie.

Every single person who has posted negative feedback and positive feedback as asked by BFL now has a fuckton of negatives Tongue


They do but they have also spammed Dogie's, Theymos and my trust area with ads for BFL's contest as well as false reports in order to get more people to get into the contest or look at BFL pages. Shouldn't BFL have to pay for adverts? Do the bitcointalk owners like losing revenue? I think there is a lot more the community can do to resolve this and we need to let mods know we don't like spam in the trust system. At this point we all know BFL is a drag on Bitcoin and with a little effort from 1000s of members here we can stand against spamming the trust system.

Stand in solidarity with the hundreds of customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner who is still looking to recover $62,000 from BFL.

TAKE A STAND AGAINST BFL'S SPAM
2049  Other / Meta / Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! on: April 05, 2014, 07:27:26 AM
Spam is spam... you can't PM people too much or that is spam but you can ask your "customers" or make phony accounts to post day after day after day on the trust system. 99.99% of these trust ratings are lies and or attempts to further promote BFL products and the "contest" and has little or nothing to do with the stated purpose of the trust system and thus needs to be removed or sanctioned sooner than later our people will abuse it even more. This isn't about an abuse of the system against a single person but really it is to further promote a company using the trust system. If you allow companies to use the Trust system as a form or advertisement then I suspect you are going to see this proliferate. Seems like a cheap and easy way to promote a product and avoid paying for adds on the forum.

What is stopping me now from posting a positive trust rating on every member of this site with a link to my favourite product? Or say a warning to everyone not to buy BFL and link Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617  JURY TRIAL REQUESTED to where legal action has been taken against BFL? I don't suggest for a minute that everyone who hates BFL and the way they have treated this community enmasse post these links tied to BFL , Inaba or BFL_Josh or anyone of the people that are now spamming the trust but here is a list of their names below feel free to do what you want as there are no rules against it obviously. That would be a mess wouldn't it oh boy?

And yes this is going to be a new thread in Meta to track each and everyone of these people so that the community is aware of what BFL is doing. It is interesting that even with 100s of customers they can only get a handful to take this deal and many I suspect are just puppet accounts they created here in Bitcointalk given that most are newbie accounts. Now I am doing this not for me I don't give a rats ass about the trust system, or my own reputation here in BTCtalk land as I am pretty certain anyone of merit understands who I am and what I have done and if they don't they will see how I will treat the community in the coming months and years.

I do worry Dogie's rep and I think that BFL has certainly made an enemy out of someone that nearly all of us in the mining community recognize as upstanding and helpful. Here is my pledge that I will spend the required time to rectify that and make sure that anyone messing with his trust rating is sanctioned properly by the trust system. However the mods need to do more to protect people who are being helpful. It is beyond me why this forum would not stand up for someone like this and protect them against this sort of thing, but that is not in their job description. Spam is. This is spam. These are the spammers do something. This list will be updated as BFL adds more puppet accounts.

Spammers as of 26/05/2014:
 
BFL
Inaba
BFL_Josh
dmelj
Anonymailer
Cassey
criminalben
Pry4u
fsb4000
Pokokohua!
securo
Flyeye
BTCJack
stevenmicah
JoRoidx
alphabetacanary
monsterblitz
huj
Rapturoso
powersirj
Northlander
MelMan2002
elviselvis101
DOGEDAMAN1
PhilWray
smVh50fsb
leopard2
Serjster
mkslim
MelMan2002 NEWEST SPAMMER!

Recanted Spammers

Raw-H
hardhouseinc NEW RECANTED SPAMMER


I wouldn't ask people to simply cut and paste this into the trust ratings of those who are trying to spam the trust system as a protest to BFL and to show the mods that spam is really not what the trust system is for. Although technically this is well within the trust rating system to post warnings like this against people who are scammers. Then again it could be easily resolved if the moderators take up the stand that this is spam and put all these accounts on notice.

Note that Martin Meissner was scammed for $62,000 USD approx 140 BTC at today's rates. BTC Market Rates
Most know that Martin's is not an isolated case but a good one to use to illustrate what BFL is really is all about.

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Are we now allowing the trust system to be an advertorial sytem. At what point does it become spam. I would suggest it has passed that mark the day someone posted 2x on the same "trust" aspect ie in terms of the BFL "contest". At this point you can't say this isn't spam and it should be addressed. This isn't about whether the trust system or the default trust is working or not. We have moved into vandalism / spam / graffiti / advertisements and that is an issue that has to be addressed. BFL is more than attempting to game the trust system they are using it to promote their own products. If you do nothing then it is a green light for everyone to do the same. Good luck policing the system. I suggest a BAN on those doing this will right the ship quickly.




Join the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT Follow the Reference Link.


The Wood Law Firm LLC announced today that customers from across the country have joined together and filed a class-action lawsuit challenging the sales and advertising practices of Butterfly Labs. The lawsuit against BF Labs, Inc., which does business as Butterfly Labs seeks compensation for customers who pre-paid Butterfly Labs for Bitcoin mining equipment and who did not receive the equipment they paid for, or received the equipment far after Butterfly Labs represented the equipment would ship.

Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by "mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger. By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires purpose-built computer chips to be cost effective.

The complaint, filed in the United State District Court for the District of Kansas located in Kansas City, seeks to recover the pre-payments made to Butterfly Labs and the losses customers sustained due to Butterfly Labs' conduct. The lawsuit alleges Butterfly Labs required customers to pre-pay for orders of ASIC based Bitcoin mining hardware, and used portions of customer pre-payments to make loans to shareholders and purchase a house and automobile for a shareholder. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases over time, by the time some consumers finally received their equipment, the equipment had become worthless because mining with the equipment was no longer cost effective.

"Bitcoin is an exciting and promising new technology. Unfortunately this also makes it an attractive area for people running scams and frauds," stated attorney Noah Wood one of the lawyers for the customers. "Stopping the bad actors and staying vigilant against consumer fraud is absolutely necessary for the successful development of the Bitcoin ecosystem."

According to the complaint, Butterfly Labs may have collected over $25 million in customer pre-payments. The lawsuit also alleges Butterfly Labs, despite telling customers that Butterfly Labs did not mine bitcoins itself, used equipment customers had already paid for to earn mining income for itself under the guise of "testing" such hardware. The complaint states this "testing" served "to enrich Defendant at the detriment of its customers by both denying the customers' use and benefit of the equipment they have already paid for, as well as increasing the overall mining difficulty required to generate future bitcoins."

The case is Alexander et al. v. BF Labs, Inc., Case Number 2:14-CV-02159 (D. Kansas). The customers are represented by Noah Wood and Ari Rodopoulos. A copy of the lawsuit and further information is available from the Wood Law Firm, LLC at www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners.
2050  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 05, 2014, 05:52:40 AM
What are those white crumbles?  And is that barbecue sauce?

Curds and a gravy-like sauce.
2051  Other / Meta / Re: Over 250 Threads in the "Announcements" Subforum with Activity in Last 12 Hours on: April 05, 2014, 05:45:18 AM
The mods are not going to delete the subforums. I actually have the whole alt currency and its subforum on ignore since the first week I was here. Just let them announce the hell they want.

(The setting is in: profile, ignore board preferences)
When I asked about the deleting the sub-forum, that was more of an introspective question admittedly. But it does have "meta" implications.

I suggest the thing about limiting posts just because of the traffic that goes there. Part of me feels that the bandwidth of this site would be better served if it didn't have to put up with the thousands and thousands of meaningless posts in that one child board. Plus, it would force "serious developers" to provide their own website infrastructure instead of mooching off another site.

@SaltySpitoon: Thanks for letting me know that. I agree that spam would go elsewhere. I just hate seeing so many people being "cannibalized," that's all. The amount of "crap" that goes on there kinda leaves a long-lasting taint on a lot of things. But I understand. Once again, thank you for your feedback.

Well the tricky thing is, a lot of it isn't technically spam. A new coin has as much right to be in the section as any other coin. And then service announcements also aren't spam. Both of those things bring a substantial amount of content, so those threads are for the most part, good threads. So you have 500 coins, and each of them have 10 services, it gets cluttered very quickly, but its not spam. I dont see things changing much until the new forum software, but hopefully we will have a better system then.

What is SPAM define it as a MOD so we can help you detect it.
2052  Other / Meta / Re: BFL bringing down the trust rating? on: April 05, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
Spam is spam... you can't PM people too much or that is spam but you can ask your "customers" or make phony accounts to post day after day after day on the trust system. 99.99% of these trust ratings are lies and or attempts to further promote BFL products and the "contest" and has little or nothing to do with the stated purpose of the trust system and thus needs to be removed or sanctioned sooner than later our people will abuse it even more. This isn't about an abuse of the system against a single person but really it is to further promote a company using the trust system. If you allow companies to use the Trust system as a form or advertisement then I suspect you are going to see this proliferate. Seems like a cheap and easy way to promote a product and avoid paying for adds on the forum.

What is stopping me now from posting a positive trust rating on every member of this site with a link to my favourite product? Or say a warning to everyone not to buy BFL and link Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617  JURY TRIAL REQUESTED to where legal action has been taken against BFL? I don't suggest for a minute that everyone who hates BFL and the way they have treated this community enmasse post these links tied to BFL , Inaba or BFL_Josh or anyone of the people that are now spamming the trust but here is a list of their names below feel free to do what you want as there are no rules against it obviously. That would be a mess wouldn't it oh boy?

And yes this is going to be a new thread in Meta to track each and everyone of these people so that the community is aware of what BFL is doing. It is interesting that even with 100s of customers they can only get a handful to take this deal and many I suspect are just puppet accounts they created here in Bitcointalk given that most are newbie accounts. Now I am doing this not for me I don't give a rats ass about the trust system, or my own reputation here in BTCtalk land as I am pretty certain anyone of merit understands who I am and what I have done and if they don't they will see how I will treat the community in the coming months and years.

I do worry Dogie's rep and I think that BFL has certainly made an enemy out of someone that nearly  all of the mining community recognizes as upstanding and helpful. Here is my pledge that I will spend the required time to rectify that and make sure that anyone messing with his trust rating is sanctioned properly by the trust system. However the mods need to do more to protect people who are being helpful. It is beyond me why this forum would not stand up for someone like this and protect them against this sort of thing, but that is not in their job description. Spam is. This is spam. These are the spammers do something. This list will be updated as BFL adds more puppet accounts.

Spammers as of 05/04/2014:

BFL
Inaba
BFL_Josh
dmelj
Anonymailer
hardhouseinc
Cassey
criminalben
Pry4u
fsb4000
Pokokohua!
securo
Flyeye
BTCJack
stevenmicah
Raw-H
JoRoidx
alphabetacanary
monsterblitz

I wouldn't ask people to simply cut and paste this into the trust ratings of those who are trying to spam the trust system as a protest to BFL and to show the mods that spam is really not what the trust system is for. Although technically this is well within the trust rating system to post warnings like this against people who are scammers. Then again it could be easily resolved if the moderators take up the stand that this is spam and put all these accounts on notice.

Note that Martin Meissner was scammed for $62,000 USD approx 140 BTC at today's rates. BTC Market Rates

Quote

Are we now allowing the trust system to be an advertorial sytem. At what point does it become spam. I would suggest it has passed that mark the day someone posted 2x on the same "trust" aspect ie in terms of the BFL "contest". At this point you have to admit this is spam and it should be addressed. This isn't about whether the trust system or the default trust is working or not. We have moved into vandalism / spam / graffiti / advertisements and that is an issue that has to be addressed. BFL is more than attempting to game the trust system they are using it to promote their own products. If you do nothing then it is a green light for everyone to do the same. Good luck policing the system. I suggest a BAN on those doing this will right the ship quickly.

2053  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners on: April 04, 2014, 09:33:49 AM
I suggest without payment receipt and proof of an order number in an order queue I doubt that is a real person ordering. There are so many faux accounts on the forums at BFL I bet that fake accounts out number the real ones that are active. The customers they trap tend to have a 1 time horrible experience and learn from it. If you see people buying a 2nd or 3rd time they are being paid off more often than not. See BCP as an example. He was such a great customer he bought a 300 gh/s "on sale". He knew they wouldn't deliver or he'd have bet the farm the way he backs BFL.

Sad to say but anything on the BFL forums is pretty much a single voice and has little to do with what real customers want or expect in this market. Antminer if you want something now. Spondoolies if you want to wait a little more. One Strings from Ben are shipping now so those are few options. Not 14 months and still no 28nm chip... you can't reasonably believe that BFL is going to ship these things at all do you?
2054  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 04, 2014, 09:15:15 AM
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Thursday, April 03, 2014   
                                                   Location     Time   


Delivered - Signed for by : our EE    SEATTLE   14:26

Chips in hand... Wasp / Hornet design variant of this chip has started emails being exchanged fast and furious between the chip fabricators and our EE. Nice to see such a responsive chip fab... they know their CHIPS!

Yes the POUTINE! I like mine avec sauces picante.

I do miss the chipwagon in Pincourt... steamies, greasy fries with vinegar and whack of salt.
2055  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 03, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
If you are keen to hear the EE's gather and talk Saturday necro_nem... then drop me an email see if we have room at the meeting table. We often open the doors to others so they can peep in and see what were doing and ask questions especially if you are seriously considering doing fabrication of our boards when they finally drop. Or are an EE and are interesting in problem solving with us.

2056  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 03, 2014, 05:47:22 PM
The lead EE we got does 3 michelin stars level work. We are always looking for a few good sous chefs so if you know anyone keen on helping out drop me an email. I am the Garçon de cuisine in this operation. BTC on any board these days is less than profitable... hopefully we will see the BTC rise again.
2057  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 03, 2014, 03:31:44 PM
What secret?

What kind of chips we're talking about... salted ones, spicy ones, vinegar flavoured...

Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.

*takesADeepBreath* I'll do my best and wait!  Smiley

I suspect that we will have more information or pictures and whatnot in mid April or sooner on this Wasp / Hornet variant.

Sorry, this is going to make your hungry. This is how I see "chips".

2058  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 03, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
They are getting closer: Arrived at Sort Facility SEATTLE - USA.
 

Can they already see the Space Needle? When are you going to reveal the secret? Smiley I'm all shaky!


What secret?


Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.
2059  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners on: April 03, 2014, 03:22:05 PM

By the time you get your unit, if you ever do..... it will mine about the same btc as you would with an toaster oven hooked up to the network.

Good idea,
I have a toaster you can buy. It's a 54th generation toaster, so I know very well how this thing works  Wink
This is the hottest toaster in the world. Once sold for 500BTC, now on sale for just 200BTC

I also host your pre-toasted bread for just 5BTC per month.


Edit after 5 Month:
Ok, I got informed that this toaster doesn't have any network connection, therefor you get now a discount of 0.1mBTC

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked




That toaster came out in 1987 about the same time the BFL Imperial Monarch design was started.
2060  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 03, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
They are getting closer: Arrived at Sort Facility SEATTLE - USA.
 
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