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1941  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 12, 2014, 05:16:31 PM
The winner will be the community since the discounts require GPL designs going out that is the focus right? Just a note Marto you want to worry more about making your current customers happier as opposed to worrying about some sort of phony staged competition or race with us. We are not your competition.


Bick this here is a joke in return of you almost caling us scam in Zefir's coincraft tread.
Our problems with customers are in the past.
And our small team of 3 people for design hw sw and production did already 7 succesful mining board projects.
I'm  just inviting you EE team in a small competition for fun.
You chose to change the subject.... Why ?
Are you in or not

No comment.

You deal with your customers how you like but don't expect people to ignore it.

You are on my ignore list so I don't have to watch it anymore as it is quite painful to see good design get lost in bad service.

Feel free to go back on topic if you like.
1942  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: April 12, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
... I am waiting for my refund to hit my bank account from KNC then I will decide what to do and waiting for you guys to deliver to some members here so that we could see more reviews etc.
We've been delivering in the last 3 weeks, quite a lot actually...
The fact that you don't hear anything in this thread is a good sign, not bad.

since the bctalk forum restrictions were opened up to any old (and new) troll... i've found the intellectual conversation take a nose-dive and the fun banter turn into (sometimes) sheer hatred.

if you look up the thread, you are likely to find equal numbers of posts by 'new' members trying their damnedest to play down the efforts of spondoolies (yes, i've been sticking up for them) and as Mr Sp says; quiet speaks volumes.

The product speaks for itself. So does their communication.

You can always elevate the level of conversation. Don't feed the trolls.

quite true. i'm itching to get my hands on something from spondoolies, unfortunately, as always I'm missing the boat at every turn. my old uncle has left some rare stamps in his will so it may be a possibility that I can join the queue at sometime in the near future. I just had this hunch from the very start that these guys will be around for a very long time, with more and more to offer to feed my mining obsession. As a business owner myself (albeit in a dying industry), I take my hat off to anyone who ventures into something for the long term. After 16 years doing what I do, it's coming to an end and I can at least say, i did my best.

That picture of a massive farm should send shivers down everyone's spine. Does it mean the end of diversity and spreading the network to a wider base? It might if people who care about bitcoin and cryptocurrency continue acting on their own. There is value in working within groups and collectives to help secure the network away from those LARGER farms. Spondoolies is making a promise to those who want to disrupt that ecosystem that they will be there with chips and miners. I am hoping that it is true and people do join together and secure the network differently. Spondoolies is just one company here is hoping others take up that same challenge and offer chips and miners to a growing group of collectives that are keen on making it impossible to have monopolies on mining in any form.
1943  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 1 T/Hash miners? on: April 12, 2014, 04:06:02 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504530.0 <--- read here.

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Just don't rush in thinking you are going to make a ton of riskless
money. At current retail prices I doubt most hardware available will
break even unless the growth rate slows substantially, which seems
unlikely in the near term. I think the exuberance of miners has
fueled the irresponsibility in hardware companies and driven more
competent and cautious parties out of the market.

It's all our our responsibility to behave sensibly if we want bitcoin
to flourish. - Gmaxwell
1944  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: April 12, 2014, 04:02:34 PM
The tos specifically denies a class action against them. It also denies litigation and forces people into arbitration.
Some customers (see the TRO) are trying to get around the forced arbitration clause, and we don't know yet if it will be successful or what (there was a hearing the 9th that was delayed, if i had to guess HF's lawyers found a way to buy time).
Gallo is doing a "group action", following each customer individually and sharing the costs by having many similar claims.

At this point however i can't believe that we left HF free of doing whatever they wanted until now, and i'm confident that this will change soon. I've like a month of holidays ahead, i should do something myself too.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #S5eN0qoz2iVDgApf

Those people at Wood Law seem to have a handle on consumer fraud cases... might worth contacting someone there a fresh perspective never know it might help? You basically laid out the timeline. Anyhow here is hoping people do work closer together and get some relief.
1945  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: April 12, 2014, 03:56:51 PM
... I am waiting for my refund to hit my bank account from KNC then I will decide what to do and waiting for you guys to deliver to some members here so that we could see more reviews etc.
We've been delivering in the last 3 weeks, quite a lot actually...
The fact that you don't hear anything in this thread is a good sign, not bad.

since the bctalk forum restrictions were opened up to any old (and new) troll... i've found the intellectual conversation take a nose-dive and the fun banter turn into (sometimes) sheer hatred.

if you look up the thread, you are likely to find equal numbers of posts by 'new' members trying their damnedest to play down the efforts of spondoolies (yes, i've been sticking up for them) and as Mr Sp says; quiet speaks volumes.

The product speaks for itself. So does their communication.

You can always elevate the level of conversation. Don't feed the trolls.
1946  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: April 12, 2014, 03:52:29 PM
I would say thank you for the spam, Spondoolies-Related accounts, and let's go back to the topic.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #dfpZ5vREHuOCrAQZ

+1

So are you gents emboldened buy the Class Action lawsuit against BFL?

What would it take to get one going against HF?
1947  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 12, 2014, 03:40:13 PM
Dude,
It was just a technical challenge for you
Honesty and business is other story
So go on with your project and remember no matter what you do you have to know what you are doing to be able to design something working at the end
Meetings will not help you much with that
Hard work is needed that is all

Dude it is a tech challenge just to get a board made. We don't need a pissing in the wind contest on top of it. Like I said Marto better put more time in customer service that is where he really lacks skills and that could be a problem given the people who are producing boards and selling them to the community his real competition. He can build boards and get them mass produced but he sure as hell doesn't know how to respond to complaints.

Let me put it in perspective. The WPC has taken $0 from the community. If we never bring a design to market then we cost the community $0. When we have something from the months of work that has been put in by a small number of engineers then we can talk about the design, the work that went in, the delays etc. But personally, and I think I speak for the WPC in this regard, we don't really care what you think hard work is and what it takes to get our designs done. Having weekly meetings to update the membership doesn't detract from the work that goes on.

Again we wish Marto the best and we hope he gets out another design in a few days as he normally does.
1948  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 12, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Participate in what?

We have nothing to do with fabrication and selling miners to people. We have clearly told everyone we do the designs and when we have something they will be released. Be it A1, BF2, AM BE200, the other undisclosed chip we have in hand or say the Minion.

Buddy if you want to challenge anyone go beat BFL to market they have an Imperial Monarch design they just started trying to Pre-sell. I am pretty sure you can beat them cold. As for us and the members of the WPC we all hope Marto gets out a design tomorrow and sells a great board... but I also hope he also resolves the trail of bad deals he has left around that is something that stinks to high heaven no one really needs that with all the HF BFL and Avalon etc bs that has gone on. Like many others in this community the people in the WPC want good deals, good boards and LESS F&*()_$* SCAMMERS. That is the bottomline.
1949  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 12, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
Nothing to prove to you or Marto or anyone actually.

When we provide something then you can judge it. Till then this seems to be a silly pissing contest. Like I said Marto needs to focus on his customers not on some phony contest there are plenty of pissed off customers all around the community that have moved on from people that just don't follow up properly. If you want to know how it is done then I suggest your competition is Ben Turas not the WPC.
1950  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 12, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
The winner will be the community with GPL designs going out that is the focus right?
Sure but without licensing servers Wink

This design doesn't have to have licensing servers. Does it? Nor does Marto have to release a GPL license nor does anyone because anyone can buy these chips and keep selling their units as they have before. Let us see who actually releases a GPL design then we can talk. Again you guys need to really work on your customer service and not worry needlessly about what the WPC is doing. Plenty of chips to go around that are not Minions and plenty of UNHAPPY people willing to buy elsewhere.
1951  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: April 12, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
The winner will be the community since the discounts require GPL designs going out that is the focus right? Just a note Marto you want to worry more about making your current customers happier as opposed to worrying about some sort of phony staged competition or race with us. We are not your competition.

1952  Other / Meta / Re: How can we (Bitcointalk) improve this forum ??? (This is 2 help further BTCoin) on: April 12, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
Start a new forum with different admins?

Everyone is free to do that, in fact I think some already have. If this forum is run as badly as a lot of people keep making out then a new, better forum could quickly arise and dominate.

Not as easy or simplistic as that.
1953  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL list of orders /status - Monarch 600 / Monarch 300 + aktual Informations on: April 12, 2014, 01:04:23 PM
RenHoek              1000751xx               2013.08.21        BankTransfer       1            600      Germany              - Refund Request


Good Luck.
1954  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why don't the RICH go to jail! on: April 12, 2014, 12:48:07 PM
Violent crime has fallen by 44 percent in America over the past two decades, but during that same period the prison population has more than doubled, skewing heavily black and poor. In essence, poverty itself is being criminalized.

There is no truth in that statement and the quote itself is self-contradictory.

Violent crime has fallen by 44 percent, because a large part of the criminals are behind the bars. And racism / poverty arguments are just silly excuses to justify crimes such as robbery and murder.

This study and hundreds of others begs to differ, Taibbi and others are not throwing out bs numbers they can back it up with the evidence. If you disagree with the statement provide your own premise and evidence / studies for the contrary vision of the US justice system.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_reducingracialdisparity.pdf


There is plenty of evidence to support the statement and simply dismissing it means you haven't been following the studies closely. In Canada the same can be shown for First Nations people as well.
1955  Other / Off-topic / Why don't the RICH go to jail! on: April 12, 2014, 12:31:45 PM
The Justice Gap
‘The Divide,’ by Matt Taibbi


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Violent crime has fallen by 44 percent in America over the past two decades, but during that same period the prison population has more than doubled, skewing heavily black and poor. In essence, poverty itself is being criminalized.
1956  Other / Off-topic / Re: "Imagine Living in a Socialist USA": New Book Envisions Greater Democracy, World on: April 12, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
Can you imagine in living a Socialist USA?

Nope, I really can't. Like the editor Francis Goldin just said, the general American public (as well as most other countries) don't know what Socialism is and tend to think of it as some sort of evil.

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The book comes out at a time when polls show Americans aged 18 to 29 have a more favorable reaction to the word "socialism" than "capitalism
.

Really? That surprises me, but maybe they're just looking at it and under the misinformed 'lesser of two evils'.

Or they know that capitalism is evil and anything else is better?
1957  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: April 12, 2014, 11:07:20 AM
Hey MinerPumpkin...

Is it possible to get a larger number of engineering / sample AM BE200's?

I'm not working for AM, unfortunately. You should let Friedcat know that you, as a big customer/engineering crew, are interested in additional chips. We (AM investors) believe that the first mass production batch is being produced as we speak and probably will be ready to ship in early may. The first test/engineering batch seems to have been distributed to various engineering groups and resellers around the globe. Additionally, I think Friedcat will announce the purchasing terms publicly once the "first" batch is ready.

Hoping we see some chips in the wild so to speak so DIYers and collectives can work on building what we put out in terms of design thanks for the heads up.
1958  Other / Meta / Re: How can we (Bitcointalk) improve this forum ??? (This is 2 help further BTCoin) on: April 12, 2014, 08:38:36 AM
Start a new forum with different admins?
1959  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL list of orders /status - Monarch 600 / Monarch 300 + aktual Informations on: April 12, 2014, 08:28:28 AM
Can the OP be updated with any real news on delivery dates?

If any of those who ordered the Monarch want to join in on the class action I bet they have room for you here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
1960  Other / Off-topic / Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. WTF? on: April 12, 2014, 08:18:38 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522


Read what happened here...

Very very familiar. No conspiracy required from the racist ahole with multiple accounts posting about Diego Garcia as landing site for this Malaysian flight. Thing is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean buddy. It wasn't a conspiracy it was an accident.

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A lack of oxygen incapacitated the crew, leading to the aircraft's eventual crash after running out of fuel. Rescue teams located the wreckage near the community of Grammatiko, 40 km (25 mi) from Athens. All 115 passengers and 6 crew on board the aircraft were killed.
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