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September 01, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
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Hi All

This forum has been really quest the last 24 hours!

I just had a crash id like to post about. My PC Does Put the monitor to sleep but the PC stays active, i have just disabled the Hard Disk 'sleep' to never in the advanced options.

I was running the bot on Ping Pong mode on XMY/BTC.

It had purchased coins so it was at the sell stage, the order is with Bittrex so if i had not been attending the computer i would have been OK as long as the price didnt plummet.

Im looking in the .Leonardo folder specificially looking for any reason for the crash and as it stands im not finding anything, is there a particular log file i should be checking?

I do have this from the event log on Windows 10 X64.

Faulting application name: leonArdo.exe, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x59a8777c
Faulting module name: libstdc++-6.dll, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x0000b000
Exception code: 0x40000015
Fault offset: 0x0002085d
Faulting process ID: 0x1358
Faulting application start time: 0x01d32325e4ede51e
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\mArgin-leonArdo\leonArdo.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\mArgin-leonArdo\libstdc++-6.dll
Report ID: 1d6283c7-04e0-412d-befb-643b6bd7fb09
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

Any advice would be appreciated.

My monitor (even though connected to a PC) is a Apple LED Cinema Display as as such doesn't have a power on/off switch, it would usually power on automatically when connected to a MAC, so i normally have windows power off display after 30 mins idle.

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September 01, 2017, 08:55:00 PM
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Can anyone using leonArdo kindly explain to me how does it calculate effective gain?

I am fiddling with demo version (with Bittrex as exchange).
I chose margin maker as the strategy with the following settings:

Trading pair: LTC/BTC:
Amount (LTC) : 15.4704
Start with : Buy
Buy Margin: 32%
Sell Margin: 30%
Trading Window: 38%
Effective margin: 1.05%
Min Effective gain: -1%


The buy order went through with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.01615998
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25000124

The bot automatically placed a sell order with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.0162114
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25079673


I am not able to understand how selling at 0.0162114 amounts to 1.05% gain.
By the mathemetical formula Gain % = [(Selling Price - Cost Price) * 100]/ Cost Price
It comes to [(0.0162114 - 0.01615998)*100]/0.01615998 = 0.31819%

The formula gives effective gain as 0.318193%, and not 1.05% gain which I had aimed for.
There is quite a strong chance I am misunderstanding the settings. In that case would someone be kind enough to tell me what these settings (Buy Margin, Sell Margin, Trading Window, Effective margin) mean and what values should I provide in these settings if I want to get a profit of 1.05% in every trade.

Thanks.

Depends on the exchange. On bittrex it's a standard 0.25% for all trades.

On poloniex the effective gain is calculated using standard taker fees of 0.25%. The API doesn't allow us to pre-determine the type of order so we choose to display the higher taker fees rather than the possible, most likely, even probably maker fees of 0.015%.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

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September 01, 2017, 08:56:26 PM
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Feature Request
I'm currently trading on Bittrex manually and really need a Trailing Stop Loss feature for manual trades. A simple Stop Loss that could be changed would be the minimum solution. This feature should be usable across all supported exchanges. Please add to an upgrade soon. Thanks.

Thanks for your suggestion. We will definitely add this feature soon.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

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September 01, 2017, 08:57:50 PM
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Hi All

Does anyone know if its possible and if so how to put % at the right side of the graph? Either as well as or instead of the rate?

Thanks

TheWood

That's not possible. But you can use leonArdo's ruler to drag from one point in the chart to another and see information regarding the effective gain etc.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

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September 01, 2017, 09:07:05 PM
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@leonArdo Guys,

Have been playing with the demo version for about half an hour and am already liking it. However I have a couple of questions

1. What if I place a order through LeonArdo and later I cancel it through the exchange(Bittrex in my case)? Will it get reflected on Leonardo as well?
More generally, does leonArdo see the orders/actions initiated through it only, or is it able to handle ones initiated through the exchange as well.
I am sure the answer is latter, but just want to confirm.

2. I have barely spent an hour playing with it so not sure it is a an intended feature or me being unable to find the correct setting. But I am not able to reduce the amount of BTC to use to buy LTC while using the Margin maker.
My balance is 0.445 BTC and the Margin maker just does not seem to like any amount lesser than it. I am not move the slider to reduce the amount (though I am able to use it to increase the amount). When I manually enter the amount in the input box, the amount automatically reverts back to 0.445 BTC

3. While launching the program in Demo mode (Bittrex Demo), the inital balance is greyed out and set to 0.5 BTC. Is it possible to adjust it?

Thanks

Great you like leonArdo!

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1. What if I place a order through LeonArdo and later I cancel it through the exchange(Bittrex in my case)? Will it get reflected on Leonardo as well?
More generally, does leonArdo see the orders/actions initiated through it only, or is it able to handle ones initiated through the exchange as well.
I am sure the answer is latter, but just want to confirm.

leonArdo shows all orders on the exchange! If you cancel a leonArdo order on the exchange it disappears in leonArdo too!

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2. I have barely spent an hour playing with it so not sure it is a an intended feature or me being unable to find the correct setting. But I am not able to reduce the amount of BTC to use to buy LTC while using the Margin maker.
My balance is 0.445 BTC and the Margin maker just does not seem to like any amount lesser than it. I am not move the slider to reduce the amount (though I am able to use it to increase the amount). When I manually enter the amount in the input box, the amount automatically reverts back to 0.445 BTC

This just sounds completely wrong and I can't reproduce it! Can you show me a screenshot of the issue?

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3. While launching the program in Demo mode (Bittrex Demo), the inital balance is greyed out and set to 0.5 BTC. Is it possible to adjust it?

Yes, it's possible. Uncheck the Continue last session checkbox and you can add your own starting balance. But take care if you want to have as realistic an experience as possible you should not trade with excessive amounts in the demo version. As your trades are only emulated they have no effect on the market in the way that real trades do!

Best wishes,
Jonathan

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September 01, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
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I've asked the dev team to take a look. Have you any more details?

Does it crash while you are interacting with leonArdo's GUI? Or while it is left on it's own?

How many pairs are you running? Are you running the demo version of the software or a paid version?

The more details the better.

Thanks for getting in touch and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

1.- It crashes when it is left on its own. Everything seems to work fine, but when you leave the program running, after some time it just crashes.
2.- Initially I thought it was because I was running too many pairs, but even with just 2 pairs it also crashes. It doesn't seem to be related to the amount of pairs running.
3.- I'm running the demo version. I'm interested in buying your software but before I do that I need to confirm that it works.

I'm running it on a Xubuntu virtual machine because I was running it on Windows 10 and it would also crash without any error message at all.
With Ubuntu, at least I get a bunch of text with the malloc error.

Are you running all these tests on the same computer, because it seems very strange that you are having such issues on all these OSs?

Is your machine going to sleep while you are away? Still shouldn't crash, but just trying to figure out the situation? What about bots? Are you running them?

Sorry for your frustrations! We are working hard on under the hood stability improvements but the particular issue you are having is not something we can reproduce right now.


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September 02, 2017, 07:01:02 AM
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Hello all...

I've been using Gunbot for quite a while, and I'm also testing Leonardo Margin. I have to admit that the fact that Leonardo has a special GUI with visual drag order is a big plus. Leonado is much more intuitive. It just lacks some strategy in addition, a stop loss a little simpler, and it will become the n01 of the bot.
Bravo Jonathan for your work.
Waiting for the next update with great impatience.
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September 02, 2017, 07:14:44 AM
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Can anyone using leonArdo kindly explain to me how does it calculate effective gain?

I am fiddling with demo version (with Bittrex as exchange).
I chose margin maker as the strategy with the following settings:

Trading pair: LTC/BTC:
Amount (LTC) : 15.4704
Start with : Buy
Buy Margin: 32%
Sell Margin: 30%
Trading Window: 38%
Effective margin: 1.05%
Min Effective gain: -1%


The buy order went through with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.01615998
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25000124

The bot automatically placed a sell order with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.0162114
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25079673


I am not able to understand how selling at 0.0162114 amounts to 1.05% gain.
By the mathemetical formula Gain % = [(Selling Price - Cost Price) * 100]/ Cost Price
It comes to [(0.0162114 - 0.01615998)*100]/0.01615998 = 0.31819%

The formula gives effective gain as 0.318193%, and not 1.05% gain which I had aimed for.
There is quite a strong chance I am misunderstanding the settings. In that case would someone be kind enough to tell me what these settings (Buy Margin, Sell Margin, Trading Window, Effective margin) mean and what values should I provide in these settings if I want to get a profit of 1.05% in every trade.

Thanks.

Depends on the exchange. On bittrex it's a standard 0.25% for all trades.

On poloniex the effective gain is calculated using standard taker fees of 0.25%. The API doesn't allow us to pre-determine the type of order so we choose to display the higher taker fees rather than the possible, most likely, even probably maker fees of 0.015%.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan for your answer. But I am still a bit confused. Does not 'effective gain' take the exchange fees into consideration ?
Also, if I have to set 'minimum effective gain of 1%' and purchased a currency at say .034 btc, would the sell bid be automatically of at least 0.03434 btc(100.01% of 0.34 to account for 1% effective gain)?
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September 02, 2017, 09:13:45 AM
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Can anyone using leonArdo kindly explain to me how does it calculate effective gain?

I am fiddling with demo version (with Bittrex as exchange).
I chose margin maker as the strategy with the following settings:

Trading pair: LTC/BTC:
Amount (LTC) : 15.4704
Start with : Buy
Buy Margin: 32%
Sell Margin: 30%
Trading Window: 38%
Effective margin: 1.05%
Min Effective gain: -1%


The buy order went through with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.01615998
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25000124

The bot automatically placed a sell order with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.0162114
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25079673


I am not able to understand how selling at 0.0162114 amounts to 1.05% gain.
By the mathemetical formula Gain % = [(Selling Price - Cost Price) * 100]/ Cost Price
It comes to [(0.0162114 - 0.01615998)*100]/0.01615998 = 0.31819%

The formula gives effective gain as 0.318193%, and not 1.05% gain which I had aimed for.
There is quite a strong chance I am misunderstanding the settings. In that case would someone be kind enough to tell me what these settings (Buy Margin, Sell Margin, Trading Window, Effective margin) mean and what values should I provide in these settings if I want to get a profit of 1.05% in every trade.

Thanks.

Depends on the exchange. On bittrex it's a standard 0.25% for all trades.

On poloniex the effective gain is calculated using standard taker fees of 0.25%. The API doesn't allow us to pre-determine the type of order so we choose to display the higher taker fees rather than the possible, most likely, even probably maker fees of 0.015%.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan for your answer. But I am still a bit confused. Does not 'effective gain' take the exchange fees into consideration ?
Also, if I have to set 'minimum effective gain of 1%' and purchased a currency at say .034 btc, would the sell bid be automatically of at least 0.03434 btc(100.01% of 0.34 to account for 1% effective gain)?

Different exchanges calculate how their fees are applied in different ways. There are C1 and C2 models. Where C1/C2 is a currency pair, ETH/USD for example. In leonArdo wherever you see Effective Gain we have figured out what the gain is after fees have to be paid on both sides. So for example you buy currency C1 for $100 and sell for $110. The gain is not 10% as the fees on both those trades have to be calculated. leonArdo does that based on each particular exchange's conditions and shows you what your effective gain is.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

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September 02, 2017, 09:45:46 AM
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A few requests and ?s

Can you please add a stop-loss to the ping-pong so I can use it as a stop-loss on newer coins going up.

 Can you add in a way to set the other strategy so I can move the lines up and down to any setting I want? The problem I keep having on newer coins that are going up I can not move the buy line up to a point to buy in and move the sell line to the right place. Dragging out to use the history does not work on newer coins with not much history.

Is there any way to add in lines to the chart

Is the Kraken version coming soon I thought you posted it would be around two weeks many weeks back now.?

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September 02, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
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A few requests and ?s

Can you please add a stop-loss to the ping-pong so I can use it as a stop-loss on newer coins going up.

 Can you add in a way to set the other strategy so I can move the lines up and down to any setting I want? The problem I keep having on newer coins that are going up I can not move the buy line up to a point to buy in and move the sell line to the right place. Dragging out to use the history does not work on newer coins with not much history.

Is there any way to add in lines to the chart

Is the Kraken version coming soon I thought you posted it would be around two weeks many weeks back now.?

Thanks

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Can you please add a stop-loss to the ping-pong so I can use it as a stop-loss on newer coins going up.

We will add this soon.

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Can you add in a way to set the other strategy so I can move the lines up and down to any setting I want? The problem I keep having on newer coins that are going up I can not move the buy line up to a point to buy in and move the sell line to the right place. Dragging out to use the history does not work on newer coins with not much history.

Good point. We'll look into it. It might be that a different pump/dump bot would work better. We are working on more bots.

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Is there any way to add in lines to the chart

Not yet. But adding drawing tools is also something we are planning to do for an upcoming release. It all takes time...

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Is the Kraken version coming soon I thought you posted it would be around two weeks many weeks back now.?

Yes, you are right. We have definitely taken too long to get Kraken out. It's API has been the most difficult to implement for a number of reasons. We really are nearly there now though. Sorry about the delay.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

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September 02, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
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Different exchanges calculate how their fees are applied in different ways. There are C1 and C2 models. Where C1/C2 is a currency pair, ETH/USD for example. In leonArdo wherever you see Effective Gain we have figured out what the gain is after fees have to be paid on both sides. So for example you buy currency C1 for $100 and sell for $110. The gain is not 10% as the fees on both those trades have to be calculated. leonArdo does that based on each particular exchange's conditions and shows you what your effective gain is.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

Thats what I understand. However it does not seem to be happening so.
For eg. for Bittrex fees are 0.25% per transaction.

So, if I have purchased a pair for $100, and I wish to sell it for a minimum gain of 2%, the minimum selling price should be calculated as following:
Effective cost = $100 + 0.25% of $100 = $100.25
Effective gain = 1% of 100.25 = 2.005

Final Selling price (after deducting 0.25% on selling transaction) should be 100.25+2.005 = 102.255

102.255 = Selling Price - 0.25% of Selling Price
Selling Price = 102.255/0.9975 = 102.5113

So, the margin maker bit should put the sell order at minimum of 102.5311 to make a minimum effective gain of 2%
However, this did not happen and the selling order was at a lower price than this, and as such the effective gain was less than 0.34%

But since many users are already using this without any problem, I guess I have some incorrect settings, and I need to tweak it more to get it correct.

So far, I am impressed with the interface of the program and its responsiveness and integration with Bittrex. So thumbs from me.
I just need to get a bit more hang of this to purchase it, which I intend to do in a week or so.

Quick question: Would it be possible for you to explain what is the difference between effective margin and minimum effective gain.
And what is the minimum profit the bot aims for when I put in a negative value in min effective gain. I understand that with a negative value, it could try to take a loss on a hope for further profit. But when it has a chance to make a profit what is the minimum it aims for (with a negative value in min e=effective gain)

Thanks for your patience and help.
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September 02, 2017, 06:32:34 PM
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A suggestion of a feature that would be useful for me:

The possibility to add some "notes/comments" for myself (just text-based) on the different pairs.

The reason for it is that I often look at different pairs (30 to 40 different pairs), make my own analysis, and then see that the time is good or not good to trade on it, then move on to another pair.  And the next day I don't always remember what mya analysis at that time was, so I have to re-spend a few minutes per pair to re-check things all over again.  With 30-40 pairs, you can imagine it can be lenghty.

Here is a real-life example:  E.g. There is a pair I like to trade, but now there is a big surge, and I expect it to crash in the short term, so I won't trade on it for now.  So it would be helpful for me to have a "post-it" type of note, where I would write for myself, for instance: "Crash expected, check after Sunday".  Or another one:  "Market always goes up after a drop.  Hold longer."

Something quick & easy, simple plain text, not a full WYSIWYG editor.

Nice idea. Where would you suggest we add it or how would it look?

Best wishes,
Jonathan

Sorry about the delay, I was away.

This "Note" feature would need to be connected to specific pairs.  So it could be a pop-up text window, that could be accessed by a button near the "Trading strategies for XYZ/BTC" (around top-left of the screen).  Some sort of pop-up window that would look similar to the "Balances" window, but with a simple, plain text editor field.  And that button would be in bold (or whatever visual cue you can devise) when there is some text in that note.  And an auto-save of the text, every time that window is closed.
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A suggestion of a feature that would be useful for me:

The possibility to add some "notes/comments" for myself (just text-based) on the different pairs.

The reason for it is that I often look at different pairs (30 to 40 different pairs), make my own analysis, and then see that the time is good or not good to trade on it, then move on to another pair.  And the next day I don't always remember what mya analysis at that time was, so I have to re-spend a few minutes per pair to re-check things all over again.  With 30-40 pairs, you can imagine it can be lenghty.

Here is a real-life example:  E.g. There is a pair I like to trade, but now there is a big surge, and I expect it to crash in the short term, so I won't trade on it for now.  So it would be helpful for me to have a "post-it" type of note, where I would write for myself, for instance: "Crash expected, check after Sunday".  Or another one:  "Market always goes up after a drop.  Hold longer."

Something quick & easy, simple plain text, not a full WYSIWYG editor.

Nice idea. Where would you suggest we add it or how would it look?

Best wishes,
Jonathan

You can have the notes pop up when you hover over the tabs or something.

Great idea too.
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Hi All

Does anyone know if its possible and if so how to put % at the right side of the graph? Either as well as or instead of the rate?

Thanks

TheWood

That would be a very useful feature.  The reason behind it is that, if I look at the chart of a random coin, I have no easy way at first to know about the _amplitude_ of the variations.  Is this coin going up and down by about 1% or 2% throughout the day, or is it going up and down by 50% or even 200% during that period?  (or anything in-between?)
It would be useful to know that, with a quick glance, without needing to use the ruler tool.
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Awesome program. Will have to get it added to our exchange once we open for business. keep up the great work!

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Leo is a really good app if you know how to control it and when is the right time to switch it on Smiley
I've learned how to use it well

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Leo is a really good app if you know how to control it and when is the right time to switch it on Smiley
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care to share a couple to Pro Tips?
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I'll start:
Pro Tip - Did you know that if you have been trading on an exchange and then buy leonArdo for that exchange any open orders and positions will automatically show up in leonArdo's great user interface when that pair is opened in the app. You can then use leonArdo to make manual trades on those positions, change or cancel open orders, etc.
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Something up with Leonardo today? I've had it crash and missing data on pairs for the past few hours across multiple PC's.

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