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November 08, 2013, 06:59:37 PM
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Just got my RMA, has KNC changed their tune? They sent me a UPS label and are paying for shipping. Does anyone know what shipping speed and service I am looking at from Australia to Sweden?
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November 08, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
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Just got my RMA, has KNC changed their tune? They sent me a UPS label and are paying for shipping. Does anyone know what shipping speed and service I am looking at from Australia to Sweden?

I was offered free prepaid return label on 1st November, so I guess they have been doing that for a while.

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November 08, 2013, 07:02:38 PM
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He's still mathematically correct. The huge increases CANNOT continue. It's simply impossible. For it to keep the exponential increase, the next company would have to deliver at least twice as much as KnC, and they'd have to do it within a few days. It will level off.

What is nearly impossible to predict is WHEN it will level off. It seems to be starting to now, but this could be a hiccup.

It's a truism that difficulty can't increase forever, but the steepness of that curve can still turn back more and more vertical very quickly - and will soon enough.  Hashfast and Cointerra WILL ship at some point, KnC and Bitfury will continue to make units as quickly as they can, for as long as they can do so profitably, and others will join in also, for as long as it remains profitable to sell mining hardware.

I am happy to see the recent decline in the steepness of that curve - but I am not lulled into believing that it is a long term change.

Make your BTC while you can.

Every time a manufacturer delivers, the cloud's hashrate gets larger, which makes it that much harder to make the same impact on the next delivery...   Not too hard to understand.....


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November 08, 2013, 07:03:06 PM
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finally the increase seems to flatten Smiley
Weird, because with this high BTC value I can image some are even turning on gpus for BTC again..

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-lin-2k.png
http://bitcoindifficulty.com/

I said it would plateau a few weeks back and was laughed out of the thread, someone threatened to remind me about it to, 'saved for posterity' I believe.

Fact is, there it was, the largest shift in Bitcoin tech, with not really anything else coming online currently, certainly not in line with what just occured. That seismic shift in hashrate, equal to the entire cumulative hashrate since Bitcoins inception 4 3/4 years ago will never reoccur with such impact, in such a short period of time ever again.

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Someone makes a claim that "seems to flatten" and you jump over as that proves your gibberish statement was right all way along?

 Cheesy

Why do you like to pretend to be an expert in something you do not understand completely?

Let me show you what is a "plateau" in the exponential axis chart:

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November 08, 2013, 07:07:34 PM
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Every time a manufacturer delivers, the cloud's hashrate gets larger, which makes it that much harder to make the same impact on the next delivery...   Not too hard to understand.....

So far, it's been just amatuers shipping units. When the real manufacturers start pumping out miners, you're going to cry at the difficulty increases.

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November 08, 2013, 07:09:12 PM
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Every time a manufacturer delivers, the cloud's hashrate gets larger, which makes it that much harder to make the same impact on the next delivery...   Not too hard to understand.....

So far, it's been just amatuers shipping units. When the real manufacturers start pumping out miners, you're going to cry at the difficulty increases.
I surely agree.....  except the part about only amateurs... I don't consider AllChip & AST, or Orsoc amateurs


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November 08, 2013, 07:11:25 PM
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He's still mathematically correct. The huge increases CANNOT continue. It's simply impossible. For it to keep the exponential increase, the next company would have to deliver at least twice as much as KnC, and they'd have to do it within a few days. It will level off.

What is nearly impossible to predict is WHEN it will level off. It seems to be starting to now, but this could be a hiccup.

It's a truism that difficulty can't increase forever, but the steepness of that curve can still turn back more and more vertical very quickly - and will soon enough.  Hashfast and Cointerra WILL ship at some point, KnC and Bitfury will continue to make units as quickly as they can, for as long as they can do so profitably, and others will join in also, for as long as it remains profitable to sell mining hardware.

I am happy to see the recent decline in the steepness of that curve - but I am not lulled into believing that it is a long term change.

Make your BTC while you can.

Every time a manufacturer delivers, the cloud's hashrate gets larger, which makes it that much harder to make the same impact on the next delivery...   Not too hard to understand.....

Let's see if you understand this:  Supply of hashpower WILL increase until it is barely profitable to sell it - which will coincide exactly with the point where the most efficient miners make only the slimmest margins they can accept and stay in the business of mining.

That means difficulty will continue to rise - even if not a steeply as it is at the moment - until you, me, and all of us who are not going into this as a serious industry will be pushed out of the market.

Make your BTC while you can.

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November 08, 2013, 07:12:38 PM
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I've seen a few mentions here about a "10% discount" on BTC payments. Where does that appear on the KNC website?

when u select billing method at checkout.
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November 08, 2013, 07:14:30 PM
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Technically Bargraphics and I had problems. I had 1 defective chip, replaced by RMA (took 1 week, due the RMA policy that I don't care for). Both Bar and I have had problems with the hosted service in the beginning and I had a failed miner which eventually got replaced.

You don't count since you fixed your problems. I had one defective board at start too. Did RMA, got it fixed in 5 days total.


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Bar doesn't count. He HAD problems and got them fixed. As for you i don't know. Do you still have problems?

So we are stuck at 5 people with problems right now?

Hmm, odd. I've always said I was lucky to have a perfect rig. Ran at max from day 1 apart from firmware updates which all worked and improved it slightly.

The fact that I'd never have known about the updates or anything else if it were left to KNC to tell me...which they haven't bothered to since they got my money....pissed me off though. The fact that they were over a week past their promised and oft confirmed delivery date which cost me hashing time and the fact that others were much worse treated by these people needs to be out there.
They are not the messiahs, they are very naughty boys.

If BTC was now at the price it was back when we ordered it would be a disaster for most people. Not as bad as BFL since they actually did produce the 1st rig on time and ship them all...but ignoring customers and lying to them isn't great is it? How the fuck I got an email telling me my rig was ready to be picked up in Stockholm a few days ago is beyond me..but it shows they haven't a clue at the very least.

People seeing the fairytale in the media could easily be walking into a dream of KNC being th wonderful competent company they imagine they are ..and if I were in that situation I'd like to see the truth, not some bullshit that would take my money and leave me disappointed.

They haven't the time to communicate on forums. even their own. According to Orama. I am eating my supper now, I can manage it. Ten minutes a day would be easy for them. Truth is they can't be bothered or they have nothing to say. Got your money..fuck off there's a good chap. See you when we want to sell you another rig. Wink
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November 08, 2013, 07:28:58 PM
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Technically Bargraphics and I had problems. I had 1 defective chip, replaced by RMA (took 1 week, due the RMA policy that I don't care for). Both Bar and I have had problems with the hosted service in the beginning and I had a failed miner which eventually got replaced.

You don't count since you fixed your problems. I had one defective board at start too. Did RMA, got it fixed in 5 days total.


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4) timmmers?
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7) Mota
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Bar doesn't count. He HAD problems and got them fixed. As for you i don't know. Do you still have problems?

So we are stuck at 5 people with problems right now?

Hmm, odd. I've always said I was lucky to have a perfect rig. Ran at max from day 1 apart from firmware updates which all worked and improved it slightly.

The fact that I'd never have known about the updates or anything else if it were left to KNC to tell me...which they haven't bothered to since they got my money....pissed me off though. The fact that they were over a week past their promised and oft confirmed delivery date which cost me hashing time and the fact that others were much worse treated by these people needs to be out there.
They are not the messiahs, they are very naughty boys.

If BTC was now at the price it was back when we ordered it would be a disaster for most people. Not as bad as BFL since they actually did produce the 1st rig on time and ship them all...but ignoring customers and lying to them isn't great is it? How the fuck I got an email telling me my rig was ready to be picked up in Stockholm a few days ago is beyond me..but it shows they haven't a clue at the very least.

People seeing the fairytale in the media could easily be walking into a dream of KNC being th wonderful competent company they imagine they are ..and if I were in that situation I'd like to see the truth, not some bullshit that would take my money and leave me disappointed.

They haven't the time to communicate on forums. even their own. According to Orama. I am eating my supper now, I can manage it. Ten minutes a day would be easy for them. Truth is they can't be bothered or they have nothing to say. Got your money..fuck off there's a good chap. See you when we want to sell you another rig. Wink

No, this is not a consumer device, neither is it consumer friendly, they are however incredibly busy constantly trying to tweak it and improve it, which is obvious as there is a reason atypical 28nm devices take 12-18 months post fab to refine. This is the fastest 28nm device ever created. The surrounding components are like a family that doesn't get on with eachother, but have to meet a new family member for the first time and keep up appearances. They've picked the strongest personalities capable of managing this and placed them in a room together, but really and truly they've never met the ASIC before. Will you wait 12-18 months for a device to be ready? For a company's customer service to be prepped on it inside out?

No, this is Bitcoin you all want the tech now.

If you want a consumer device like an Apple iPhone, then understand Apple have both the iPhone 6 and likely the IPhone 7 in hand are tweaking it to perfection for release. KnC haven't had the luxury of that time. you've had the damn thing for a couple of weeks less than they have, and we're all finding out what works, and what doesn't as an iterative process. The company is actually full of the most solid work ethic i've seen it's half 8 on a Friday evening and the software engineers, myself and most others are still here. No one has relaxed, sure the pressure and burden to some extent is off, but no one has the attitude of "Got your money..fuck off there's a good chap". You're just making crap up you want to believe. Really.

As I said months ago Marcus would have played with that thing and delayed it's release to perfection. Sam and Andreas understood for you have to have that device hashing in your hands asap. You got it, unrefined, but as refined as they have had it themselves, shipment began that same week. Issues are dealt with as they arise, and the majority are over the moon.

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November 08, 2013, 07:31:42 PM
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I surely agree.....  except the part about only amateurs... I don't consider AllChip & AST, or Orsoc amateurs

No offense, but shipping a couple hundred units a day is amateur. Professional factories can ship thousands upon thousands.

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November 08, 2013, 07:43:38 PM
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I surely agree.....  except the part about only amateurs... I don't consider AllChip & AST, or Orsoc amateurs

No offense, but shipping a couple hundred units a day is amateur. Professional factories can ship thousands upon thousands.

Would you like them to sell at that volume?! I mean those factories exist sure, but they want you to ship thousands upon thousands, if you're going to use them. Logic dictates that's why they build those premises...Wink

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November 08, 2013, 07:43:53 PM
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I don't think the plateau is anywhere near. My only hope is that Orama has insider info, so he probably knows that KnC won't deliver +1,000TH/s in November. But a lot of new miners are coming online for sure, and I'm sure Bitfury is going to deploy a shitload of hashrate given the fact that BTC/USD is going crazy.

Why would the Nov batch be smaller than the Sept/Oct batch?  If KNC knows they can ship X units in ~30 days the first month with the most problems, the most unexpected delays, and the most stress why would they anticipate only selling a fraction of that the following month after having 15 days to mass produce boards, catch up on some sleep, improve their shipping process?

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As I said months ago Marcus would have played with that thing and delayed it's release to perfection. Sam and Andreas understood for you have to have that device hashing in your hands asap. You got it, unrefined, but as refined as they have had it themselves, shipment began that same week. Issues are dealt with as they arise, and the majority are over the moon.

I let you off for a while, but you still haven't come clean and act like it never happened.

BUT...  you say it 'wasn't refined' but then WHY did they pull out 4 VRMs before they either bothered to test them, or knew and just shipped anyway??

Why not wait till they had proper firmware (.95) to at least handle the power issues over spec before stripping the boards?

I agree to let a lot of the other nonsense slide (what happened to next shipping? no ship on sat??? what??) but to act like a big 'fuck them till we fix it' decision wasn't made is LYING

so just own up to it

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I don't think the plateau is anywhere near. My only hope is that Orama has insider info, so he probably knows that KnC won't deliver +1,000TH/s in November. But a lot of new miners are coming online for sure, and I'm sure Bitfury is going to deploy a shitload of hashrate given the fact that BTC/USD is going crazy.

Why would the Nov batch be smaller than the Sept/Oct batch?  If KNC knows they can ship X units in ~30 days the first month with the most problems, the most unexpected delays, and the most stress why would they anticipate only selling a fraction of that the following month after having 15 days to mass produce boards, catch up on some sleep, improve their shipping process?



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As I said months ago Marcus would have played with that thing and delayed it's release to perfection. Sam and Andreas understood for you have to have that device hashing in your hands asap. You got it, unrefined, but as refined as they have had it themselves, shipment began that same week. Issues are dealt with as they arise, and the majority are over the moon.

I let you off for a while, but you still haven't come clean and act like it never happened.

BUT...  you say it 'wasn't refined' but then WHY did they pull out 4 VRMs before they either bothered to test them, or knew and just shipped anyway??

Why not wait till they had proper firmware (.95) to at least handle the power issues over spec before stripping the boards?

I agree to let a lot of the other nonsense slide (what happened to next shipping? no ship on sat??? what??) but to act like a big 'fuck them till we fix it' decision wasn't made is LYING

so just own up to it


Act like what never happened?  I'm not playing dumb, I'm flat out exhausted, ref. above, really.

The 8 VRMS were a margin in the beginning. You obviously reduce margins as and when you are confident they are unnecessary. At that point in time they may well be usable in fixing products if further problems arise and excessive replacements would have been needed.

As I said the best analogy is it's about having a family of components that have never met in person and will likely disagree behave with one another. You try to over compensate to appease. Those with 8 VRMS have 4 that are turned off. It's pointless to continue shipping components on a board that aren't being used. In future, boards may well have 8, the physical space is there, and options still exist, but the compatibility has to also be present, and refining that compatibility is what consumer device manufacturers have the luxury of 12-18 months for, and we didn't. Bitcoin does not grant you that currently. There is no room for failure, or forgiveness. Not in the race that's just taken place. You cannot afford a major design mistake, you're finished.

That's another six months if you have to rewrite RTL from scratch, 12 weeks if you need to reorder new parts.

It wasn't fuck them till we fix it, it was more we've fucking promised this, and we will damn well fix it. For the most part it's always been about firmware, but no one wanted to believe that. I'll be honest I had my fingers and toes crossed there, but I didn't design the hardware, and they overcompensated for the reason hardware could handle it, firmware could fix it.

I will never forget how white Andreas turned at one point in the manufacturing facility on the day of the delivery for a schoolboy error. F-ing classic. At the time it was full on brown trouser, no laughing matter, but the colour just drained in seconds for something so simple, so looking back it's hilarious.

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November 08, 2013, 08:26:59 PM
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how do you completely forget about the proof that 4 VRM boards were COOKING well above 40 amps with pre 95 firmware while the boards with 8 VRMs were not running amps over spec?

you still act like they were just totally dormant 4 VRMs removed when the design with 8 VRMs handled the power in spec with pre 95 firmware and the 4 VRM firmware didn't

so until they had it under spec with firmware 95, they WERE needed

that is what you keep trying to push under the rug in all your responses to this

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Man, I hate this BTCUSD rally, noobs will throw fiat at miners like there is no tomorrow driving difficulty crazy high.

I don't think the plateau is anywhere near. My only hope is that Orama has insider info, so he probably knows that KnC won't deliver +1,000TH/s in November. But a lot of new miners are coming online for sure, and I'm sure Bitfury is going to deploy a shitload of hashrate given the fact that BTC/USD is going crazy.
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November 08, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
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how do you completely forget about the proof that 4 VRM boards were COOKING well above 40 amps with pre 95 firmware while the boards with 8 VRMs were not running amps over spec?

you still act like they were just totally dormant 4 VRMs removed when the design with 8 VRMs handled the power in spec with pre 95 firmware and the 4 VRM firmware didn't

so until they had it under spec with firmware 95, they WERE needed

that is what you keep trying to push under the rug in all your responses to this

Well good thing GE makes their shit good and the VRMs didn't catch on fire and even if there was a real danger there it seems like nothing went so horribly wrong as you would expect. 4 VRM boards lived enough until post 0.95 firmware.

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No, this is not a consumer device, neither is it consumer friendly


Let me quote some things for you:

Our complete services for Bitcoin mining make it easy and cost efficient to mine Bitcoins. Smart solutions for everyone who wants to mine for Bitcoins.

>>First sentence when you google KNC

Das riesige Gerät 576Gh/s-KnCMiner Jupiter ist der mächtigste Bitcoin-Miner, der jemals gebaut wurde. Es ist eine Maschine, die für jedermann zum Kauf zur Verfügung steht.
Die Tatsache, dass die Öffentlichkeit die Plug-and-Play-Geräte erwerben und betreiben kann,...

>> official German press release, feel free to google translate.
 That took me 2 minutes, there are way more news out there, even audio files of them statiing everyone can buy their miner. Plug and Play is also stated here.

KNC has voided their own terms of servie with their official statements, and now you want to come up with it's not a cosnumer device and not consumer friendly?

Let me translate the above for you:   "It's a machine anyone can buy. The fact that the public can buy and use those plug and play devices..."

Do you have anything to add to your statement?

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