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August 12, 2013, 06:28:25 PM |
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everything bbx said is a reputable concern. You dismissing him like fanboys sounds like another to be BFL. Yes we know they have partnered with OrSOC blah blah. End of the day he is right it's 2 weeks left until September. There is no video of a working unit or anything, besides we are on track and ahead of schedule.
If you ahead of schedule when do you expect to deliver in September? Most likely mid or end, but all they have done up to this point is give vague updates about development and progress.
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Kuroth
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August 12, 2013, 06:29:12 PM |
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Kuroth.. "I wonder and hope they moved it up to this Friday as they are ahead of schedule and thus need the Info now instead of end of Aug.." It IS and has been this Friday since the announcement. "thus need the Info now instead of end of Aug.." HUH? Explain that one. More FUD. This is getting ridiculous. Then a user "Agrees" with the bad info.... It's Infectious. [/quote] I call Bull Shit to you.. Show me where it has been officially this Friday since the announcement. You my friend are the one that is full of FUD and BS.. Go away
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August 12, 2013, 06:30:48 PM |
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everything bbx said is a reputable concern. You dismissing him like fanboys sounds like another to be BFL. Yes we know they have partnered with OrSOC blah blah. End of the day he is right it's 2 weeks left until September. There is no video of a working unit or anything, besides we are on track and ahead of schedule.
If you ahead of schedule when do you expect to deliver in September? Most likely mid or end, but all they have done up to this point is give vague updates about development and progress.
And I'll ask you point blank, exactly how many units do you have ordered? If none, then just STFU, this doesn't concern you. All you are trying to do is cause trouble.
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Bitcoinorama
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August 12, 2013, 06:37:32 PM |
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everything bbx said is a reputable concern. You dismissing him like fanboys sounds like another to be BFL. Yes we know they have partnered with OrSOC blah blah. End of the day he is right it's 2 weeks left until September. There is no video of a working unit or anything, besides we are on track and ahead of schedule.
If you ahead of schedule when do you expect to deliver in September? Most likely mid or end, but all they have done up to this point is give vague updates about development and progress.
No they haven't they have been specific that they are on time. It's in the hands of the fab currently, what more do you want them to do? Entertain you with idle chit chat until they have something tangible? Or lie and say they have to appease you? This is not being dismissive fanboys, this is following progress and knowing where they're at, unlike bbxx who hasn't read up in anything and like every two days when some other random pops into tell us nothing if relevance, display impatience, or prove how ill-informed they are. It's pointless whining here. Got something credible to ask, ask them. bbxx is just spreading FUD in the hope something sticks.
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bbxx
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August 12, 2013, 06:38:03 PM |
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everything bbx said is a reputable concern. You dismissing him like fanboys sounds like another to be BFL. Yes we know they have partnered with OrSOC blah blah. End of the day he is right it's 2 weeks left until September. There is no video of a working unit or anything, besides we are on track and ahead of schedule.
If you ahead of schedule when do you expect to deliver in September? Most likely mid or end, but all they have done up to this point is give vague updates about development and progress.
And I'll ask you point blank, exactly how many units do you have ordered? If none, then just STFU, this doesn't concern you. All you are trying to do is cause trouble. lol. he doesnt have to have ordered miners from KNC to be interested in this. maybe he wants buy some bitcoins, other miners, shares or anyhing. wtf.
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dropt
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August 12, 2013, 06:41:08 PM |
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And I'll ask you point blank, exactly how many units do you have ordered? If none, then just STFU, this doesn't concern you. All you are trying to do is cause trouble.
That's rather ignorant. If he's mining in any capacity he has a right to inquire about the status of the project, just like KNC has a right to ignore him (and everyone else) asking these questions. Did you not do any research before making your purchase? Are you not following any of the other projects to see how they are doing? Part of making an educated decision is getting all the facts, and knowing what KNC's outlook is, is one of the fact I too would like to know.
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bbxx
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August 12, 2013, 06:42:19 PM |
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This is not being dismissive fanboys, this is following progress and knowing where they're at, unlike bbxx who hasn't read up in anything and like every two days when some other random pops into tell us nothing if relevance, display impatience, or prove how ill-informed they are. It's pointless whining here. Got something credible to ask, ask them. bbxx is just spreading FUD in the hope something sticks.
ok only i would like to see is case picture, pcb photo, miner prototype... BFL was better in communication, they showed their progress, ordered boxes etc i am not josh clone.
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Bitcoinorama
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August 12, 2013, 06:45:09 PM |
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This is not being dismissive fanboys, this is following progress and knowing where they're at, unlike bbxx who hasn't read up in anything and like every two days when some other random pops into tell us nothing if relevance, display impatience, or prove how ill-informed they are. It's pointless whining here. Got something credible to ask, ask them. bbxx is just spreading FUD in the hope something sticks.
ok only i would like to see is case picture, pcb photo, miner prototype... BFL was better in communication, they showed their progress, ordered boxes etc i am not josh clone. Dude, that's cool , but please just ask them, and do us all a favour in reporting back. There maybe a pleasant surprise, there may not, you actually may gee them up into springing some pics, at least you'll know where we are at from where we last were. But crying scam and expressing doubt openly because you won't email, doesn't help anyone...
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August 12, 2013, 06:51:39 PM |
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And if you've got 100K on the line, like I do, you might try giving Sam a call weekly, like I do, to see where things are. He LIKES to hear from customers.
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bbxx
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August 12, 2013, 06:56:28 PM |
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crying scam ?
just asking questions.
for me very strange for matured company is to
- introduce product (some sketches) - grab money is short time - make impression that if you dont invest now you will be screwed - create double line of preorders (paid/not paid) and make second market of user accounts - introduce lottery - organize meeting showing nothing - get more money by offering hosting - introduce upgrade offer to grab little more - create referall program to attract more customers - introduce new pricing to hold competition sales
- month from deliver deadline show no evidence that product will be ready on time (no pictures of cases, working pcb, hashing chip etc)
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ridnovir
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August 12, 2013, 07:00:56 PM |
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for what its worth I did not put in an order yet (still in the process of doing research and I did read all of 284 pages of this thread) so far knc looks more legit than the others ie
hashfest (might be too late might be another BFL) who knows
cointerra might be a good option for stage two of the ASIC war (especially considering that if I order knc today my unit might be delivered too late to make the risk worth while)
since there is no hard evidence of "we are on track" statement it is hard for me to pull a trigger now - makes more sense to sit this one out and see if knc delivers and maybe get Jupiter for 2K less in November or 1T/h cointerra rig if they come to fruition by then.
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bbxx
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August 12, 2013, 07:05:38 PM |
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i have some shares of knc jupiter but i am interested in ordering whole only for me.
just curiosity...
i dont wanna call and listen to words i would like to see the movie with production progress.
scammers use words, trusted use facts
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August 12, 2013, 07:07:31 PM |
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for what its worth I did not put in an order yet (still in the process of doing research and I did read all of 284 pages of this thread) so far knc looks more legit than the others ie
hashfest (might be too late might be another BFL) who knows
cointerra might be a good option for stage two of the ASIC war (especially considering that if I order knc today my unit might be delivered too late to make the risk worth while)
since there is no hard evidence of "we are on track" statement it is hard for me to pull a trigger now - makes more sense to sit this one out and see if knc delivers and maybe get Jupiter for 2K less in November or 1T/h cointerra rig if they come to fruition by then.
That's a perfectly sensible approach, and I'm also watching hashfast and cointerra both for a possible buy.
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Bitcoinorama
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August 12, 2013, 07:08:14 PM |
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i have some shares of knc jupiter but i am interested in ordering whole only for me.
just curiosity...
i dont wanna call and listen to words i would like to see the movie with production progress.
scammers use words, trusted use facts
Yes indeed, so just email them already and stop f***ing talking about it...
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timmmers
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August 12, 2013, 07:12:02 PM |
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And if you've got 100K on the line, like I do, you might try giving Andreas a call weekly, like I do, to see where things are. He LIKES to hear from customers.
They also recently advertised for support staff didn't they? To handle such calls I imagine? They explained the price drop in the latest email update. They didn't need to explain to me that the same reason is behind the need to sell any remaining stock before it becomes worthless to buyers, hashrate wasn't such a big problem for BFL, when they kicked off (although the way they have gone it will be for some unlucky customers a year later). BFL did no favours for anyone else in this business, especially where pre-ordered machines are involved. This doesn't mean all other companies are scams. I don't think BFL was a scam, just woefully bad at their business and customer interaction. KnC have so far avoided all the bad stuff BFL did or didn't do. Something may go wrong, They may deliver late, and that might cost us. We all realised that when we took this gamble, but it has become more important that the rigs get to work ASAP in the recent couple of months. We knew it could happen and KnC have reacted to this increased hashrate with lower prices to help late comers get ROI. They are trying. They are communicating, when there is something to say. They have no record of letting anyone down or being dishonest. Fair to voice concerns, unfair to accuse them of misleading anyone without proof. They have stated that we may get more than we expected too, that would make them saints in comparison to other companies. I believe there is some stuff that women use to remove makeup that's also pretty good for getting egg off faces..there may be a boost in sales of that in October too.
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bbxx
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August 12, 2013, 07:14:01 PM |
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i have some shares of knc jupiter but i am interested in ordering whole only for me.
just curiosity...
i dont wanna call and listen to words i would like to see the movie with production progress.
scammers use words, trusted use facts
Yes indeed, so just email them already and stop f***ing talking about it... ok i will email them and they will tell me if i stop posting here i will be given 10% discount... or i will get picture of working miner with case ? why it is only way to know what is going on, to hide data from competitors ? that is just plain stupid, competitors have many fake accounts to check things...
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fcmatt
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August 12, 2013, 07:16:46 PM |
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so they are supposed to start deliveries in less then 30 days and have no demo unit or anything for a potential buyer to look at?
oi. now i realize again why i stopped paying attention to bitcoin mining and switched to litecoin.
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DPoS
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August 12, 2013, 07:17:21 PM |
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i have some shares of knc jupiter but i am interested in ordering whole only for me.
just curiosity...
i dont wanna call and listen to words i would like to see the movie with production progress.
scammers use words, trusted use facts
Yes indeed, so just email them already and stop f***ing talking about it... No keep the FUD rolling...almost at 300! The most ridiculous worrywart thread ever!
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greenbtc
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August 12, 2013, 07:18:56 PM |
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i have some shares of knc jupiter but i am interested in ordering whole only for me.
just curiosity...
i dont wanna call and listen to words i would like to see the movie with production progress.
scammers use words, trusted use facts
Yes indeed, so just email them already and stop f***ing talking about it... No keep the FUD rolling...almost at 300! The most ridiculous worrywart thread ever! lol, indeed.
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Bitcoinorama
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August 12, 2013, 07:23:16 PM |
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And if you've got 100K on the line, like I do, you might try giving Andreas a call weekly, like I do, to see where things are. He LIKES to hear from customers.
They also recently advertised for support staff didn't they? To handle such calls I imagine? They explained the price drop in the latest email update. They didn't need to explain to me that the same reason is behind the need to sell any remaining stock before it becomes worthless to buyers, hashrate wasn't such a big problem for BFL, when they kicked off (although the way they have gone it will be for some unlucky customers a year later). BFL did no favours for anyone else in this business, especially where pre-ordered machines are involved. This doesn't mean all other companies are scams. I don't think BFL was a scam, just woefully bad at their business and customer interaction. KnC have so far avoided all the bad stuff BFL did or didn't do. Something may go wrong, They may deliver late, and that might cost us. We all realised that when we took this gamble, but it has become more important that the rigs get to work ASAP in the recent couple of months. We knew it could happen and KnC have reacted to this increased hashrate with lower prices to help late comers get ROI. They are trying. They are communicating, when there is something to say. They have no record of letting anyone down or being dishonest. Fair to voice concerns, unfair to accuse them of misleading anyone without proof. They have stated that we may get more than we expected too, that would make them saints in comparison to other companies. I believe there is some stuff that women use to remove makeup that's also pretty good for getting egg off faces..there may be a boost in sales of that in October too. No clearly a price drop was clearly a reactive move to a competitor's pricing. They can afford to do that once NRE was covered, but there has to be a clear advantage to paying early as well.
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