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August 20, 2013, 04:01:42 AM
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I might be ignorant, but I can see colors well Grin Your ignore button is highlighted in light yellow, which means someone pressed it. I said nothing about KNC, just assumed that you might not see some colors, because you keep insisting that your ignore link isn't yellow. That's all. If it it is not yellow to you, then fine by me, as if I gave any shit about that
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August 20, 2013, 05:06:27 AM
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with order number 3700 and made july 5th, think i'm still on schedule to be receiving this in september? eager to figure out what PSU to get as well.
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August 20, 2013, 05:31:42 AM
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with order number 3700 and made july 5th, think i'm still on schedule to be receiving this in september? eager to figure out what PSU to get as well.

Nope,  I have July 3rd order 31**  And was told mine would be sent out in October.   and also asked them about the 1k watt witch to me seems  high, Since these are 28nm chips.    And what other company's are putting out.   This was there response.

"Hi,
 
We are on track and expect to ship the first orders in September. Your order is expected to ship in October and more details will be available closer to the time of shipping.
 
Regarding the power consumption the 1000W is maximum draw, we expect the devices to run at a lower power draw and more information will be published in the coming weeks.
 
Let us know if you have further questions. "
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August 20, 2013, 05:34:36 AM
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They won't release actual power consumption until it can actually be measured.

All in due time...
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August 20, 2013, 05:44:06 AM
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with order number 3700 and made july 5th, think i'm still on schedule to be receiving this in september? eager to figure out what PSU to get as well.

I do really wish you luck in your request. KnC promissed weeks ago to publish specific details about the required PSU to work with their design. So far no response has been provided by them.

Yeah.... I can only hope that them saying how they are underpromising it and saying it should come out better than expected is great to hold onto
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August 20, 2013, 05:51:10 AM
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They won't release actual power consumption until it can actually be measured.

All in due time...

I agree with your logic. That is why I think KnCminer should not promisse to publish information about a product which still do not exist. This only shows they were being deceptive when they stated there would be a soon annoucement about the PSU. If they want at least a prototype to sort out the best PSU for their design, they should state that in advance.
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August 20, 2013, 06:09:06 AM
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They won't release actual power consumption until it can actually be measured.

All in due time...

I agree with your logic. That is why I think KnCminer should not promisse to publish information about a product which still do not exist. This only shows they were being deceptive when they stated there would be a soon annoucement about the PSU. If they want at least a prototype to sort out the best PSU for their design, they should state that in advance.

They haven't published specs on things that don't exist, they have published the specs they have designed it to be. How is it deceptive when we ALL knew from the get go that it didn't exist and their description and estimates were all we'd get until they had production up and running for the actual parts?

They are hosting these rigs, and mining themselves...so they are in the same boat as all of us re power supplies. I don't care when they tell me which they recommend, as long as it's possible to get one before my rig arrives. Their constant statements about getting rigs hashing ASAP being their main goal can be woven into most aspects of all this by a sentient being to arrive at a sensible conclusion. For example all this crap about racks and power supplies...what do people think KnC are going to do, design a rig that's going to be a bitch in their own hosting facility?
 

KnC have told me all I need to know for now. Other helpful people have added to that by visiting and publishing email replies.
You've added nothing at all to speak of.

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August 20, 2013, 06:12:56 AM
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The yellow is getting more defined +1

So... What is your point again? More or less yellow awill not stop me to voice my opnion. That only shows that I made a bunch of wilful ignorants angry because they cannot censor my freedom of speech.

Some sort of truth-telling superhero you are...

Thank-you for trying to save us from the quagmire of our ignorance!
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August 20, 2013, 06:36:48 AM
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Here you go AC find a thread on this, just got it in email. Very little info for your 15k there.
http://order.cointerra.com/

December...a little breathing room for us even if they are on schedule.

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August 20, 2013, 06:47:14 AM
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The way some people demand or talk in this thread is just outrageous. If you don't like what you see then don't send over your money to KNC. It's simple as that. No-one is forcing anything onto anyone. If you think it's a scam, then don't send money over. If you hate the case design.... if you hate the fact that PSU will be external.... if you hate the fact that you don't have access to every detail.... if you hate..... <insert 100 other things here people dig up to complain about>

And the specs KNC announced are actually understatements (according to them anyway). 1000W, 100GH etc. The product when it's complete has potential to be more than 100GH per chip and using less than 1000W for a Jupiter.

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August 20, 2013, 07:19:22 AM
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30xx july 1st order and due in october. Think I just missed the boat on september but we will see.
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August 20, 2013, 07:20:53 AM
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A few PM replies from Sam to save him being asked again

we are no inserting any artificial delay in shipping. the orders will flow out of the factory as soon as they are made.

I hope this helps

Sam

We are NOT shipping in batches

and we wont publish the order queue sorry.

Sam
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They haven't published specs on things that don't exist, they have published the specs they have designed it to be.

Of course they had "published specs on things that don't exist":

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Jupiter
SKU: 250
Size: 500 x 400 x 200
Weight: 4 kg.
Available: Yes

So, tell me, if someone ask you if there is a product available for order and you answer "yes", what should the inquirer interpret? The product exist or do not exist?

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How is it deceptive when we ALL knew from the get go that it didn't exist and their description and estimates were all we'd get until they had production up and running for the actual parts?

KnCminer published "description and estimates" about their design (not a finished product) from the "get go".

The deception lay on the fact they promised to release specific information about the PSU while they were aware they could not keep up with their promises. If they need a prototype or the finished product to release the specific information, what is the purpose to state that they will release specific details about the PSU? Please, read what exactly they promised three months ago:

Hi Guys

Sorry for butting in in your discussion but don't buy any power supplies yet.

We will have a large Technical announcement coming next week. Where we will give even more accurate Power figures and GH/s.

It will be a significant announcement which I hope will make all of our customers happy. and no before you ask I wont reveal any details before that newsletter goes out Smiley

again please don't buy a 1200W power supply you simply will not need one that powerful or expensive.

Sam

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They are hosting these rigs, and mining themselves...so they are in the same boat as all of us re power supplies.

No, they are not hosting any "rigs" or "mining themselves". The product do not exist, it is still just a design.

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I don't care when they tell me which they recommend, as long as it's possible to get one before my rig arrives. Their constant statements about getting rigs hashing ASAP being their main goal can be woven into most aspects of all this by a sentient being to arrive at a sensible conclusion.

All right, you are entitled to define your own priorities in regard to your interests and I respect that.

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For example all this crap about racks and power supplies...what do people think KnC are going to do, design a rig that's going to be a bitch in their own hosting facility?

I learned very much from the discussion about racks and power supplies.

Answer to your question: people do not just think, people are already really sure the case is not designed to be mounted in a rack. The case must be adapted altogether with an external PSU over a shelf to fit a rack.

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KnC have told me all I need to know for now. Other helpful people have added to that by visiting and publishing email replies.

You've added nothing at all to speak of.

All right, if you are happy with the information you got, that is it. I have no qualms about you feel confident with the information you already got.
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August 20, 2013, 07:31:57 AM
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30xx july 1st order and due in october. Think I just missed the boat on september but we will see.

damn yeah, im right there with ya :\
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August 20, 2013, 08:12:20 AM
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30xx july 1st order and due in october. Think I just missed the boat on september but we will see.

same me. Exactly the same order date. 1st july and 30xx. Also October. Thought about asking them how far away we were from september.
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August 20, 2013, 08:13:35 AM
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The way some people demand or talk in this thread is just outrageous. If you don't like what you see then don't send over your money to KNC. It's simple as that. No-one is forcing anything onto anyone. If you think it's a scam, then don't send money over. If you hate the case design.... if you hate the fact that PSU will be external.... if you hate the fact that you don't have access to every detail.... if you hate..... <insert 100 other things here people dig up to complain about>

And the specs KNC announced are actually understatements (according to them anyway). 1000W, 100GH etc. The product when it's complete has potential to be more than 100GH per chip and using less than 1000W for a Jupiter.

So, in accordance with your logic, you are entitled to determine how people should behaviour, but this very people are not entitled to express their opinion about business behaviour. That means, all people should just leave the forum and ignore that discussions exist for their own benefit. In other words, you want everyone just discussing exactly what you think to be appropriate.

No, it's just that no one cares, thus the yellow ignore button.

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August 20, 2013, 08:21:04 AM
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Wow, this thread really went to shit. Unwatching it. I hope Knc open another thread for the next announcement.

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August 20, 2013, 08:21:46 AM
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30xx july 1st order and due in october. Think I just missed the boat on september but we will see.

same me. Exactly the same order date. 1st july and 30xx. Also October. Thought about asking them how far away we were from september.

I dont believe they know exact date because the product is not finished yet.
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August 20, 2013, 08:53:03 AM
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I'm a little lost: have KnC demonstrated working prototypes? Proof of design/chip production? Anything other than a case rendering and website for preorders? At the moment, seems as though they have less credibility than BFL - at least they've shipped something.
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