Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Phoenix1969]

edit...(searing)
than again, yours ran great "out of the box", minus a gallon of water, and some good work on your part...  

[Searing]

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than again, yours ran great "out of the box", minus a gallon of water, and some good work on your part...   

its the guys saying the went to 98 and can't get their box back up that worries me...such postings in forums make stuff go small in my leg region...circumference wise

I will consider it...

question thou..all this enable cores thing ...is that an option in .98 or a separate program (again people on saying they ran it or asic test and their miners are bricks ..although I think that was on knc forum)

dangerous world out there....we also serve who skulk and wait!

bfl refugee we are gun shy

Searing

[WastedLTC]

hit the reset button 5x, count to 5, hit it 5x again.

Can't you just hold the reset button for 5 seconds and the bright light will flash to do a reset and not what u mentioned above?  That's how i was doing it.

[Phoenix1969]

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than again, yours ran great "out of the box", minus a gallon of water, and some good work on your part...  

its the guys saying the went to 98 and can't get their box back up that worries me...such postings in forums make stuff go small in my leg region...circumference wise

I will consider it...

question thou..all this enable cores thing ...is that an option in .98 or a separate program (again people on saying they ran it or asic test and their miners are bricks ..although I think that was on knc forum)

dangerous world out there....we also serve who skulk and wait!

bfl refugee we are gun shy

Searing

Ya that asic test thing...saw that.. no....enablecores works great, takes 10 seconds, and an extra reboot, no problems for me...
The problems with 0.98 was with the url address on eligius, as far as I know there weren't any others...  the address thing is fixable in a few steps IF it happens to you... there were only a few of us that encountered it... I think it was those of us who loaded the cklovas release, and tried 0.98 after.
I can understand gun-shy though... yours runs pretty good already....

[Phoenix1969]

hit the reset button 5x, count to 5, hit it 5x again.

Can't you just hold the reset button for 5 seconds and the bright light will flash to do a reset and not what u mentioned above?  That's how i was doing it.

That's what the manual said to do, that's what I do....   

[texaslabrat]

A bunch of naive, idealistic blather

The first thing you fail to understand is that this is a business, not a charity.  Get that through your head and the rest of it will make sense.

If you want to buy a miner for me, I will happily point it at any pool of your choosing.   As long as I'm spending MY money on equipment, then I'll point MY equipment on whatever fucking pool I see fit.  If smaller pools want to attract more miners, they should get their asses in gear and improve the pools to make them more attractive for use.  Things like extended stats, DDoS protection, and consistently working payouts (I'm looking at you, Eligius).

If you are so concerned about decentralization, I sure hope you are solo mining.  If you can't walk the walk, then stop trying to talk the talk.

[WastedLTC]

hit the reset button 5x, count to 5, hit it 5x again.

Can't you just hold the reset button for 5 seconds and the bright light will flash to do a reset and not what u mentioned above?  That's how i was doing it.

That's what the manual said to do, that's what I do....   

ah, never read the manual.  =)    Holding does work though.

[uski]

Hi folks

I'm the author of BertMod and I'd like to mention that some people seems to get a bit confused by the output of BertMod.

So I wrote a quick explanation :
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/6183-bertmod-0-2-unofficial-firmware-mod-feedback-thread?p=13503#post13503

In short :

- Sometimes BertMod doesn't detect any DC/DC module, it can happen if the DC/DC modules are purely analog and not digital, this is NOT a problem, the boards will be working as expected. It's just that they are using a type of DC/DC module that I don't support. Hey, after all BertMod is unofficial, sometimes it doesn't work

- It is normal to get some "No DC/DC module detected". KnC can change the number of DC/DC modules per board (initially they used 8 then moved to 4 as 4 was totally enough to power the ASIC). As a result, "No DC/DC module detected" is NOT an error, just some info to let you know that there is no DC/DC module in that slot, and that is fine

When I wrote BertMod i wanted to give people extra info about their miner. I didn't want to confuse anyone. Maybe I should have wrote that explanation immediately. Anyway, now I hope it's clear ! If not, let me know.

Happy mining,
uski

[DPoS]

A bunch of naive, idealistic blather

The first thing you fail to understand is that this is a business, not a charity.  Get that through your head and the rest of it will make sense.

If you want to buy a miner for me, I will happily point it at any pool of your choosing.   As long as I'm spending MY money on equipment, then I'll point MY equipment on whatever fucking pool I see fit.  If smaller pools want to attract more miners, they should get their asses in gear and improve the pools to make them more attractive for use.  Things like extended stats, DDoS protection, and consistently working payouts (I'm looking at you, Eligius).

If you are so concerned about decentralization, I sure hope you are solo mining.  If you can't walk the walk, then stop trying to talk the talk.

the real problem to his point is not that there are a small group of elite that control and abuse power, but that there is an endless line of similarly wired people waiting to replace them if given the chance

America's forefathers were an outlier, not the norm.   It didn't even last 200 years.   1776 till when JFK was shot.  No turning back now.

[augustocroppo]

The pool provides you with a block header to work on.  You double-hash the block header iteratively while incrementing the nonce, and return any results that are of higher difficulty than the pool difficulty to the pool.  If one of those results happens to also be higher difficulty than the network difficulty, you have solved the block for the pool.  The pool does not do any of the calculations associated with solving a block, so I don't see how you think the pool "solved" the block.

Yeah, but guess who got the 25 BTC + fees?

[DPoS]

Hi folks

I'm the author of BertMod and I'd like to mention that some people seems to get a bit confused by the output of BertMod.

So I wrote a quick explanation :
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/6183-bertmod-0-2-unofficial-firmware-mod-feedback-thread?p=13503#post13503

In short :

- Sometimes BertMod doesn't detect any DC/DC module, it can happen if the DC/DC modules are purely analog and not digital, this is NOT a problem, the boards will be working as expected. It's just that they are using a type of DC/DC module that I don't support. Hey, after all BertMod is unofficial, sometimes it doesn't work


Happy mining,
uski

What of VRMs that show < 1 amp output?  Those are the 'dies off' that are plaguing many folks

Thanks for bringing the tool out so early, it has helped everyone troubleshoot their many issues

[seanrarey]

A bunch of naive, idealistic blather

The first thing you fail to understand is that this is a business, not a charity.  Get that through your head and the rest of it will make sense.

If you want to buy a miner for me, I will happily point it at any pool of your choosing.   As long as I'm spending MY money on equipment, then I'll point MY equipment on whatever fucking pool I see fit.  If smaller pools want to attract more miners, they should get their asses in gear and improve the pools to make them more attractive for use.  Things like extended stats, DDoS protection, and consistently working payouts (I'm looking at you, Eligius).

If you are so concerned about decentralization, I sure hope you are solo mining.  If you can't walk the walk, then stop trying to talk the talk.

Yes sir, I solo mine.  I also have helped build a considerable number of pools.  I absolutely "walk the walk" Mr. business man.  I also mine with an assortment of just about every ASIC ever produced since the GPU/FGPA farms were killed off; to include a growing number of KnC pieces.

I have no problem making money, or forming a business around it.  But carelessly killing the cow you are milking is a poor business model.

[texaslabrat]

A bunch of naive, idealistic blather

The first thing you fail to understand is that this is a business, not a charity.  Get that through your head and the rest of it will make sense.

If you want to buy a miner for me, I will happily point it at any pool of your choosing.   As long as I'm spending MY money on equipment, then I'll point MY equipment on whatever fucking pool I see fit.  If smaller pools want to attract more miners, they should get their asses in gear and improve the pools to make them more attractive for use.  Things like extended stats, DDoS protection, and consistently working payouts (I'm looking at you, Eligius).

If you are so concerned about decentralization, I sure hope you are solo mining.  If you can't walk the walk, then stop trying to talk the talk.

Yes sir, I solo mine.  I also have helped build a considerable number of pools.  I absolutely "walk the walk" Mr. business man.  I also mine with an assortment of just about every ASIC ever produced since the GPU/FGPA farms were killed off; to include a growing number of KnC pieces.

I have no problem making money, or forming a business around it.  But carelessly killing the cow you are milking is a poor business model.

Good for you...I assume you mean that you ONLY solo mine?  

However, you fail to realize that without people making a business out of this (and that means maximizing their profit wherever possible without artificial constraints), there would be no demand and thus no value in bitcoin outside of a hobby (eg 10,000 BTC pizza).  Lets see how many folks would buy multi-thousand-dollar asic miners "to secure the network" if bitcoin was worth less than a penny a piece, yet the difficulty was current levels.  Answer:  A few idealistic zealots who would then be capable of 51% attacks on a whim.  You can't have one without the other (ie security without business demand).  So again, I point to your idealism and naivety in failing to understand how this all works in the macro level.  If you want to donate to the network to keep it secure..bravo.  But without people trying to make money out of it, it's just a technical curiosity burning electricity at a prodigious rate.  You can look at any number of also-ran alt coins for a real-world example.  There needs to be reason to have people pour hundreds of millions of dollars of funds into bitcoins and the associated ecosystem...telling people they shouldn't be trying to maximize returns on that investment is not going to help if the system is ever to be taken seriously and used as a mainstream instrument of value storage and exchange.

Further...individuals using "big pools" is hardly "killing the cow".  There are no pools that are capable of a 51% attack..in fact pools such as BTCGuild specifically implement policies to discourage growth that approaches 51%.  And again, I point to the need for other pools to step up their game if they want to be relavent.  This is a business, pure and simple..and with business comes competition.  Unlike most businesses, the barrier to entry into the bitcoin world is almost zero so there is always room for new entrants to jump into the game if they are willing to provide a good product.  Rather, telling people that they shouldn't be trying their best to make money from something that should be integrated into the global market economy is killing the cow from a perception basis.  If bitcoin can't play by the rules of a vicious free-market economy, then it will die no matter what anyone else wants for it and nobody outside the hobbyists will ever take it seriously.  The end game is integration into the world economy...if it can't hack it there there is no need for it to exist.  You are not going to remake the world economy in another image to fit bitcoin...sorry to tell ya.   In other words, if special "kid gloves" are needed to enable bitcoin to survive that relies on the altruism of the bitcoin community...it won't survive on its own and it is no better than a centrally-controlled fiat currency that is protected from "the big bad market" by its issuing government.  If bitcoin is actually fit to be a decentralized currency, then it must be able to operate with out special considerations from its participants pure and simple otherwise its demise is guaranteed.

So again, if there are concerns about over centralization...get people to make alternate pools that don't suck so that natural market forces fix the issue and not special pleas to "think of the children!" in order to head off any potential 51% issues.  If you want to direct some of your activism energy somewhere useful..there it is.

[Meizirkki]

How about seanrarey takes his offtopic to it's own thread?

[timmmers]

How about seanrarey takes his offtopic to it's own thread?

+1
I dislike being told what to think and what to do with my own money. Let's keep it KNC and disagree about something relevent.

[xyzzy099]

The pool provides you with a block header to work on.  You double-hash the block header iteratively while incrementing the nonce, and return any results that are of higher difficulty than the pool difficulty to the pool.  If one of those results happens to also be higher difficulty than the network difficulty, you have solved the block for the pool.  The pool does not do any of the calculations associated with solving a block, so I don't see how you think the pool "solved" the block.

Yeah, but guess who got the 25 BTC + fees?

That is not relevant to the question of who "solved" the block.

[seanrarey]

A bunch of naive, idealistic blather

The first thing you fail to understand is that this is a business, not a charity.  Get that through your head and the rest of it will make sense.

If you want to buy a miner for me, I will happily point it at any pool of your choosing.   As long as I'm spending MY money on equipment, then I'll point MY equipment on whatever fucking pool I see fit.  If smaller pools want to attract more miners, they should get their asses in gear and improve the pools to make them more attractive for use.  Things like extended stats, DDoS protection, and consistently working payouts (I'm looking at you, Eligius).

If you are so concerned about decentralization, I sure hope you are solo mining.  If you can't walk the walk, then stop trying to talk the talk.

... a comment on this post.  I am not sure a post could have been more skillfully crafted to drive home my point.

This next comment is not meant to be inflammatory, although I understand if you take is so.  It is meant for you to take into account, as a data point while making and employing your business plan.

Centralization is the enemy of this experiment.  "Business men" that mine for profit without regard for the network are not a friend to the experiment if their efforts result in too much centralization (usually a goal of a for-profit company).

Those of us that see this as a threat (such as ASICminer & a couple of other Chinese companies) to the eco system, are working hard to drive up the diff with de-centralized hashing in an effort to make your business less-viable.  The hope is that this will cause fewer people to sink huge sums of money into centralized operations such as yours if the returns are simply not there.

I hope it works.  I am doing my part.

[augustocroppo]

That is not relevant to the question of who "solved" the block.

Why the question is not relevant if who receives the reward is who supposedly "solves" the block?

Perhaps you are confusing what "solving" means in the metaphorical concept of "mining"?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block

Because there is a reward of brand new Bitcoins for solving each block, every block also contains a record of which Bitcoin address is entitled to receive the reward. This record is known as a generation transaction, or a coinbase transaction, and is always the first transaction appearing in every block.

[CYPER]

That is not relevant to the question of who "solved" the block.

Why the question is not relevant if who receives the reward is who supposedly "solves" the block?

Perhaps you are confusing what "solving" means in the metaphorical concept of "mining"?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block

Because there is a reward of brand new Bitcoins for solving each block, every block also contains a record of which Bitcoin address is entitled to receive the reward. This record is known as a generation transaction, or a coinbase transaction, and is always the first transaction appearing in every block.

You must be fun at parties 

[augustocroppo]

Centralization is the enemy of this experiment.  "Business men" that mine for profit without regard for the network are not a friend to the experiment if their efforts result in too much centralization (usually a goal of a for-profit company).

Centralization of what?