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November 03, 2013, 04:37:31 PM
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Eligius down?
just the stats page...  they still mine from a separate server...


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November 03, 2013, 04:39:20 PM
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Good morning Phoenix.

I should add that I'm running my machine in a bit lower temps as well (closer to 60 reported, hard to say if it makes a big difference in 0.98, in 0.95 it was a huge difference for my machine from ~60 to ~70), so we have a dwindle down in both "cold" and "hot" machines.


Exactly... It seems the dwindledown effect happens weather the units are kept at peak temps or not...  cold or warm... it just happens... ug!


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November 03, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
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People pay tons of money for backyard greenhouses and perfect soil to grow a few over priced tomatoes. Wouldn't they get more tomatoes for the same money at the store? Even bio-eco-super tomatoes? Sure! It's the same drive for miners.

The only people benefiting monetarily from mining are the ASIC manufacturers and... Bitcoin USERS!



So let me understand. You got a KnCminer SHA-256 hash generator which consumes a great deal of electricity because "people pay tons of money for backyard greenhouses and perfect soil to grow a few over priced tomatoes"?

 Huh
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November 03, 2013, 04:58:22 PM
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People pay tons of money for backyard greenhouses and perfect soil to grow a few over priced tomatoes. Wouldn't they get more tomatoes for the same money at the store? Even bio-eco-super tomatoes? Sure! It's the same drive for miners.

The only people benefiting monetarily from mining are the ASIC manufacturers and... Bitcoin USERS!



So let me understand. You got a KnCminer SHA-256 hash generator which consumes a great deal of electricity because "people pay tons of money for backyard greenhouses and perfect soil to grow a few over priced tomatoes"?

 Huh
Croppo...  Please get some coffee & relax.
Our "Tomatoes" have a very long shelf life, and tend to increase in value over time...
It's a hobby this "growing tomatoes", and everyone eats them!
No worries!


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November 03, 2013, 05:16:53 PM
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People pay tons of money for backyard greenhouses and perfect soil to grow a few over priced tomatoes. Wouldn't they get more tomatoes for the same money at the store? Even bio-eco-super tomatoes? Sure! It's the same drive for miners.

The only people benefiting monetarily from mining are the ASIC manufacturers and... Bitcoin USERS!



So let me understand. You got a KnCminer SHA-256 hash generator which consumes a great deal of electricity because "people pay tons of money for backyard greenhouses and perfect soil to grow a few over priced tomatoes"?

 Huh

I should probably stop replying to you but just because I don't want you to dumb down what I think is an important factor often disregarded, I will put it very explicitly and simple so you can't twist it around:

I was talking about the psychological drive, shared by many people, of building their own little growth and independence project that may or may not return. Those often grow quite large and into totally unproductive projects (measured in terms of "paying debts") such as growing flowers for fun. The drive is the same.

What I did personally is irrelevant but like I said I successfully fought the temptation of getting into the BFL scam and a few others. I always tried to see it rationally as a pure investment but we all know by now that the most rational thing investment wise is to just buy Bitcoin for the price of your miner instead of ordering it, don't we?  After Sam's announcement of queue trading, I bought an early Day 1 order so that I would maximise my chances of ROI (which actually payed off). But the fundamental background psychological drive that is blind to pure rational ROI considerations is there. In me and, I would dare say, in nearly everyone else ordering a miner.

You don't have to look very far to see this drive affecting people's investments here or anywhere else. The degree to which it does affect them varies but it's there. Here's a quote from a few hours ago:


First week, 0.019 per day. Second week 0.01. Third Week 0.016 every two days. Fourth week. 0.016 every 3 days. With a BFL Jalapeno 5 Ghs.

The best day, yesterday 1 BTC, when I sold it to a friend who wants to mine at any price.

Sure, 1 BTC is not much, but proportionally a lot worse than a Jupiter pre-order. Call it a vase with a crippled tomato plant that your friend sold you instead of a green house bought from a specialist contractor.


Since Bitcoin mining is a zero sum game, hobbyists will actually have an impact against pure profit driven mining farms. This is actually good for Bitcoin because it works against  centralisation of mining.

 
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November 03, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?
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November 03, 2013, 05:29:58 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

In my personal experiences the temp does not seem to matter. I've run my Jupiter at 70C and in a cooled server room with case off and external fan at 35C with no noticeable effect on my hashrate.
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November 03, 2013, 05:32:36 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

In my personal experiences the temp does not seem to matter. I've run my Jupiter at 70C and in a cooled server room with case off and external fan at 35C with no noticeable effect on my hashrate.
142 is great for a mercury...  I wouldn't touch a thing imho
If you're  "up to spec", (and beyond) why bother?


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November 03, 2013, 05:34:00 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

Based on your hashrate your machine seems to have a ridiculously low level of hardware errors so I would say it doesn't matter, in any firmware, for you.
  
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November 03, 2013, 05:35:32 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

Sounds peachy, just leave it be.

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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

my mercury is running the exact same. take a look at your hw errors and rejected tho, mine are around 7.7% hw and 3% rejected.... :/
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November 03, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

my mercury is running the exact same. take a look at your hw errors and rejected tho, mine are around 7.7% hw and 3% rejected.... :/

If I'm not mistaken, 144 GH/s is the theoretical maximum hash rate for a Mercury (192 cores @ 750 MH/s each), so you are doing very well.

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November 03, 2013, 05:53:42 PM
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I have missed a few threads here, I know, but is there a current consensus on the ideal temps for these miners. I have a Mercury. Its pootling along at a steady 142 Gh/s at 39.5 degrees C. Sound ok?

my mercury is running the exact same. take a look at your hw errors and rejected tho, mine are around 7.7% hw and 3% rejected.... :/

If I'm not mistaken, 144 GH/s is the theoretical maximum hash rate for a Mercury (192 cores @ 750 MH/s each), so you are doing very well.

oh yeah, its doing great. hw errors bring it down to about 137-138 on the pool...still not bad!
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November 03, 2013, 06:44:01 PM
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Good morning Phoenix.

I should add that I'm running my machine in a bit lower temps as well (closer to 60 reported, hard to say if it makes a big difference in 0.98, in 0.95 it was a huge difference for my machine from ~60 to ~70), so we have a dwindle down in both "cold" and "hot" machines.


Exactly... It seems the dwindledown effect happens weather the units are kept at peak temps or not...  cold or warm... it just happens... ug!

My saturn has been hashing steadily at the server between 270GH/s-290GH/s.....chip temps are between 45c and 55c, depending on heat of the day. Not running a/c, lid is off, all fans on unit are running, no extra fans and now at 20M submitted shares 2.5% HW errors, WU 3982 since last reboot.

ps. what i wanted to add was that I do notice a small wave pattern in the hashing speed of the unit where it slows to 270GH/s, then slowly crests its way back up to the low 290GH/s and then will creep back down to 270GH/s etc etc.
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November 03, 2013, 07:05:22 PM
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Good morning Phoenix.

I should add that I'm running my machine in a bit lower temps as well (closer to 60 reported, hard to say if it makes a big difference in 0.98, in 0.95 it was a huge difference for my machine from ~60 to ~70), so we have a dwindle down in both "cold" and "hot" machines.


Exactly... It seems the dwindledown effect happens weather the units are kept at peak temps or not...  cold or warm... it just happens... ug!

My saturn has been hashing steadily at the server between 270GH/s-290GH/s.....chip temps are between 45c and 55c, depending on heat of the day. Not running a/c, lid is off, all fans on unit are running, no extra fans and now at 20M submitted shares 2.5% HW errors, WU 3982 since last reboot.

ps. what i wanted to add was that I do notice a small wave pattern in the hashing speed of the unit where it slows to 270GH/s, then slowly crests its way back up to the low 290GH/s and then will creep back down to 270GH/s etc etc.

I'm certainly no expert on this so I may be completely off-base here.  But isn't your pool hashrate just an estimate by some complicated equation including shares submitted, share difficulty, yadda, yadda?

If true, this might cause you pool hashrate to have some significant swings that aren't necessarily indicative of your machine's actual hashrate.
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November 03, 2013, 07:58:27 PM
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Good morning Phoenix.

I should add that I'm running my machine in a bit lower temps as well (closer to 60 reported, hard to say if it makes a big difference in 0.98, in 0.95 it was a huge difference for my machine from ~60 to ~70), so we have a dwindle down in both "cold" and "hot" machines.


Exactly... It seems the dwindledown effect happens weather the units are kept at peak temps or not...  cold or warm... it just happens... ug!

My saturn has been hashing steadily at the server between 270GH/s-290GH/s.....chip temps are between 45c and 55c, depending on heat of the day. Not running a/c, lid is off, all fans on unit are running, no extra fans and now at 20M submitted shares 2.5% HW errors, WU 3982 since last reboot.

ps. what i wanted to add was that I do notice a small wave pattern in the hashing speed of the unit where it slows to 270GH/s, then slowly crests its way back up to the low 290GH/s and then will creep back down to 270GH/s etc etc.
Yes, that is just how they run....
I'm not sure if anything can be done about that.
Even when I did graphics cards... That was the "nature of the beast"
Each and every unit does it...all simultaneously, but at their own top/bottom values.
I'd say, the cycle varies from a minute, to 3 minutes, depending on the flushwork/block detection timing.
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But I also noticed there is still a bit of room for improvement in the flushwork area here... they flush every time a block is detected, instead of the correct block....every block.
I'd rather no flushwork at all, and take my rejected shares at the time a block is ACTUALLY found by our pool...... if it can't be corrected... it would save time.
Pools will usually send a flushwork request at the appropriate time if I understand this correctly....
I'm sure someone must be working on this....   hopefully....


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November 03, 2013, 08:32:10 PM
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I should probably stop replying to you but just because I don't want you to dumb down what I think is an important factor often disregarded, I will put it very explicitly and simple so you can't twist it around:

(...)

Right...

From "promising sound currency" to " bio-eco-super tomatoes" to "independence project"... No, I cannot really "twist" something you already did very well.

So, again, why would anyone want to convert BTC to fiat money?

Since Bitcoin mining is a zero sum game, hobbyists will actually have an impact against pure profit driven mining farms. This is actually good for Bitcoin because it works against  centralisation of mining.

So, again, going back to the context of that reply, you are mining for profit or for fun?
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Not to poke a lion... but I personally Mine for fun, in hopes of a profit... Smiley


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November 03, 2013, 09:16:39 PM
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just updated my mercury from .98 to .98.1 and HW errors went from 6.9% to around 1.5%. also, rejected was 3% to 0% now!

definitely a good upgrade. all cores functioning as well. none are off.

UPDATE: been running .98.1 for 30 mins now, hw errors down to 1.1% and dropping. still no duplicate shares!
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