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September 27, 2018, 10:16:28 PM
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I would not be so sure, I can link a report made a while ago in which I wrote about an abuser with 20 accounts and kyc approved on all accounts on the spreadsheet of the bounty.
On 3rd world's country you can buy documents for a few dollars.

Bounty campaigns do KYC sure, but Bitcointalk as a forum doesn't. The quote I linked to is from theymos, so as I said, never going to happen.
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September 30, 2018, 11:32:32 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 
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October 01, 2018, 01:46:56 AM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 
Highly appreciated your to to compose the thread, but honestly it is somewhat English-broken. I don't know how you made it, Google translate or made it yourself. For any case between these twos, you should improve your thread, in grammatical aspect, in order to make them easier to understand.

Furthermore, your above thread did not show anything new because such boring recommendation repeatedly quoted, posted in the forum since January.

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October 01, 2018, 01:10:18 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members.

Highly appreciated your to to compose the thread, but honestly it is somewhat English-broken. I don't know how you made it, Google translate or made it yourself. For any case between these twos, you should improve your thread, in grammatical aspect, in order to make them easier to understand.

Yours is also a bit broken ... A thread is a collection of posts, what we each write is a post and not a thread. leoneltouhidul1 probably did their best (I guess), and for what it's worth I do understand what they wrote. They probably know they have to improve their English as you probably also do, no need to advise (you) on that I guess.

Furthermore, your above thread did not show anything new because such boring recommendation repeatedly quoted, posted in the forum since January.

The same could be said about your post and maybe about mine. I just can't help replying when I see the pot calling the kettle black.

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Last edit: October 01, 2018, 10:16:47 PM by coinlocket$
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Second week of "new era"



Note this graph is quite wrong, I've changed the week from monday-sunday to friday-thuesday since the new file is always on friday, fixing it changing back the days, so the past week will be avaiable next friday with the new file

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October 01, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
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Second week of "new era"

[im g]https://puu.sh/BDW3o/a1174fa64b.png[/img][im g]https://puu.sh/BDW66/6a4d0d59b9.png[/img]

So as predicted, the hype was only for a short time. Settles back to around 6000. Now I can start giving merit again, things are more settled.

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October 01, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
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Second week of "new era"


Can you spend your time to collect a statistic on how many demoted Junior Members have been back to this rank last two weeks?
If you can have the statistic, it will make a lot of sense because it might explain why merit distribution rocketed last week.
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October 01, 2018, 03:47:47 PM
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If you can have the statistic, it will make a lot of sense because it might explain why merit distribution rocketed last week.

If I remember correctly till last week we got around 200.000 users accounts/multiaccounts demoted and around 2000 users ranked up again,

Last week transactions can be found here on my file
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R3dE2huMLqjvC1JpFUimRvXvktBxjD-Sgqw61S5oYhk/edit?usp=sharing

More datas on  DdmrDdmr  file here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KmBvi21XZn6Oxh8c6Vsuax6wxSAhsQWsAzDYfsYOU2E/edit#gid=0

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October 01, 2018, 04:30:39 PM
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The great part of this spike was caused by those who needed to bring back to jr their alts i'm afraid. Let's see what is happening friday, we may be up for another dive.
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 

Mate don't quote my last messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg46244479#msg46244479 If you have own opinion please write.
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October 01, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
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If I remember correctly till last week we got around 200.000 users accounts/multiaccounts demoted and around 2000 users ranked up again,
It is reasonable figures, which obviously explain why there were 3342 more merits distributed last week than the previous one, from 3580 to 6922.
- 2000 merits proportionally allocated to help demoted Juniors rank up
- > 1.5k merits allocated to other ranks, rather than Newbies.
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I think it would be better to have a KYC system to open a new account.Then you can not make spamming account. I think this is good comment for the site.

I would like to comment on this post in a detailed manner as follows;

First-of-all, KYC stands for Know Your Customer / Know Your Client

Are we a Customer of this Forum or a Community User of this Forum ?
(I believe we are indeed a User, not a Customer)

Next, KYC is the process of a Business / Bank etc. to verify the identity of it's Customer / Client..
Do you think BitcoinTalk.org is a Registered Business / Company over here, something like BitcoinTalk Private Limited ?

This website was created with love by the creator of this website for all users like us, so that we could interact with each other and grow-up here like a family..
It indeed succeeded as well, as this is the only best Active Forum that i have found online till date, since i have joined here..

Apart from that, the Website Owner would never have an intention to grab the personal data of the users of this website and verify them one-by-one manually and process it daily..
It's not only that it would be hurting the feelings & privacy of a user, but also it means that the Staff at BitcoinTalk are also human beings, they can't spend their entire life verifying each users over here manually everyday..
Even if i take the least count as 100 user register per day at this site, still that would be a hectic job for anyone..

The staff would rather prefer to spend their valuable time to focus on the Forum Contents & other relevant work instead of the Verification Process of all new users..

You see my point is, KYC is something not meant for a forum like this, at-least in my view..
It's indeed a bad idea to even think to deploy it, as long as privacy of a user is of a high concern..

If you have a feeling that KYC is going to reduce the spammers at this website, then it's indeed wrong..
It would rather be a Dream that would never come true..

For a spammer KYC won't be a big deal at all, he can simply grab the data of users from online websites and bypass this step easily..
Nowadays, there are many Sources/Ways to get leak data's of customers, i hope your already aware of the same..

On this forum people don't even use their Real Name to register their Account, majority users prefer to use a nickname, as that's what a forum is all about.
Over here, no-one needs to know "Who you are in real life".. we should only be concerned about "What knowledge do you have & What you can Share/Contribute/Bring to this Forum"

Your name, date of birth, family background, your monthly gross income or your religion doesn't matter over here..

Do you really think anyone would be willing to submit their ID Proof or something similar, just to get their account registered on a forum?


That being said, to decrease the Spamming, we could actually initiate some other steps other than KYC, which brings me straight to the second part of my post..

Mostly the high rank members (i.e. Legendary, Sr. Member, Hero Member) don't post anything trash over here, their post usually have some quality, that's what makes them Sr. Members of the Forum..
(I know there are few exceptions in High Rank Members who have a red mark on their profile and they do post trash sometimes, but that's just a few exceptional cases (minority) over here, we can ignore that for now.)

To target the majority, we already know that the primary cause of Spamming is usually by a Newbie or a Newly created account, they simply start to post links or junk contents of any XYZ site, for promotion or for some other Known/Unknown purpose..
(Please note that,t his doesn't count all Newbie and all Newly Created Users, there are still some good exceptional users out there)


So here it goes, to reduce this spam activity to some extent & to bring some enhancements into the forum, we should actually revise the Privileges for a Newbie as well as Newly Created Account / Brand New Account..

Off-course the newly deployed protocol of "Minimum 1 Merit to become a Jr. Member" is indeed a good one, however that won't reduce the spammers over here.. I mean it doesn't have a good impact over the Newly Registered Users as well as to some Newbie.

So according to me;
A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.
(I won't mention anything about restriction of inserting image into the Topic/Post, as if posting links are already banned then it's quite natural that image can't be posted as well)
4.) A newly created account should not able able to post above a specified number of characters per post for the first 30 days, this will ensure that they don't copy-paste some trash from here and there.
5.) If a newbie violates the above rule and still post a link by using a trick by adding space to the link and posting it (For e.g. www. google . com), other members can report that post and get it removed by the Staff. Such post when moderated by the Staff should lead to a +1 warning to the Newbie/New Member, so that they don't repeat this mistake, if they still repeat it then their Account should be banned if they are reported again by any member.

The privilege of a Newbie Account should be modified with a new rule-set as follows,
1.) A Newbie User cannot post any Links on the Forum, unless he completes a minimum Activity of 28 on the Forum. This would be somewhat better to decrease the spam content at some extent because per 2 Week only 14 activity is counted, so it will take around 1 month for every newbie to post a link.
2.) A Newbie User should wait for a minimum spam of 30 days before he can start a New Topic. This is the idle time for the user to learn the flow of the forum and to make some good post than to start a topic first.
3.) A Newbie User can only start 1 Topic per day, unless he becomes a Jr. Member.
4.) A Newbie User can only post 5 times per day for the first 30 days.



The above suggestions may or may not be possible to implement, it may even take sometime as well, but this was just an idea i thought of, nothing else..  Smiley


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No offence against any Newbie or Newly Created Accounts or anyone else. My post is not to target or to hurt the feelings of any User. I am a believer that, every user was once a Newbie, no-one was born as a Legendary Member in this Forum. With time everything changes, hence my above post is purely an idea to show a Path/Way to fight against Spammers/Scammers, if possible. I am indeed aware about the fact that there are a good amount of people under Newbie or Brand New accounts whose intentions are not to spam the forum with nonsense post. Thank you for the understanding. God bless you all.

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October 01, 2018, 10:17:42 PM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.
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October 01, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

1) Self-Custody is a right.  There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted."  2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.  3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?
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October 02, 2018, 12:09:35 AM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

You make little to no sense.

You want to participate in signature and bounty campaigns, but you want the forum to discontinue such practice(s).

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Regarding the understandability of my earlier responsive post, perhaps you should attempt to read it a few more times (and attempt to understand what I am saying therein), rather than spouting out a repetition of your earlier talking point(s) while ignoring nearly every single point that I made in my post.

You seem out of touch and unwilling to either understand the perspectives of other members or to interact with other members, which seems to be evident from your responsive (if we could call it "responsive") post to me, and even from your shitty post history.

1) Self-Custody is a right.  There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted."  2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.  3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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October 02, 2018, 09:39:43 AM
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A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.
I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.
Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.

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Your first post was a new topic including links Tongue With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.

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October 02, 2018, 10:22:36 AM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

As a newbie, I believe that these people just make a valuable contribution to our forum and receive a well-deserved encouragement in the form of merit.
Probably, we beginners need to read what the experienced forum participants write and analyze why they receive merit.
In each message that receives merit, there is a “key” on how to get merit. If we learn to see this “key” and begin to use this “key”, then we will also start receiving merit.

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October 02, 2018, 10:52:51 AM
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A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.

Alright, so i have divided your post into three parts, so that i can comment on your statements in a detailed manner, please find them below;

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I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.
Why can't they wait for 30 days period, is that too high? I don't think so.
This is where we define the term "Hit & Run users".
So are you one of the supporters of "Hit & Run users".
I mean, are you really supporting such users, who will just use the forum for their very own Benefit / Needs or just when they need something (some help) from us and then leave the forum?
I believe that the user should be here forever like a Friend or a Family to interact here, instead of just getting the help they need and runaway and never come back here.
If that's the case then, everyone simply create a new account every-time you need any help, ask for help and then vanish, this way we will start to loose good users and even our existing users may stop to bother the Topics where they can actually help out.

I have seen many good users in this forum who help others with detailed post and they expect nothing back in return (not even a Merit because some of them are Legendary members too).
Would that look good if the Newly Registered users will ask for help, someone will take your valuable time to respond back and that New User will simply vanish from the forum without even responding back or so?
I know people who help others are not expecting anything in return, but responding back to the helper would make him feel good, that his comment helped the user.

Just look at me too, i myself do the Selling at BitcoinTalk MarketPlace, however on the same side i even interact on the some Topics and post some comments where-ever i find something where i can post something as per my knowledge.
I am mostly active on the India sub-forum, as i am an India, so section that attracts me more.

Even in this Topic itself, where we are discussing now, i would have simply read it and ignored it, right? Did i?
That's called participation and contribution, you should have a look at the amount of registered members in this forum and count the users who have comment on this Topic, the math would be clear by then.

I have posted here 3 times in this Topic itself, as stated below,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg45866562#msg45866562
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg45841104#msg45841104

If i also start to think in a way like, i will just do the selling over here in the MarketPlace and will vanish when i'm done with it, then i would actually feel ashamed as well as guilty of myself, that i didn't contribute anything to a platform from where i earned some money.

Moreover i am also planning to do some contribution in terms of Donation to this forum at a later stage, because i really loved the way this forum is maintained by the Staff. It's really cool.

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Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.
I can't find anything on that suggestion that could hurt any real users, real users shouldn't have a problem with it.
Moreover, i said it clearly on my suggestions post itself, that it may decrease the spammer to some extent, i never said this is going to do something extra-ordinary over here.
There are more than 10 ways, you could have never imagined, for a spammer to bypass anything (any security mechanism or protocol) that we include here.
But, what we suggest is something closest that can give some positive Impact / Effect.
It's never a 100% result to every Suggestion or an Idea.
People who dream of 100% result on forums are the one's who always fail.
Always think to get the maximum positive impact than to dream of a 100% result or output with everything you do.
In-fact my favourite Google also can't do a 100% fight against Spammers.. Grin (Jokes apart)


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Your first post was a new topic including links Tongue With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.

My suggestion says, 30 Days wait period and 28 Activity. It never says the Newly Registered users cannot start a post ever in their lifetime. I would have indeed waited for 30 Days and made 2 post per day or so to gain the Activity, come-on.

Also, i was never so much desperate to get the Sales done on Day 1 itself. I am still selling it today, that Topic was started on June 2018 and today we are on October 2018, did anything changed with time?

This is what i say, there is a difference between Good Users and Scammers/Spammers.
When your a Genuine Person, you don't need to worry about anything else.

During the time when i got myself registered here, my suggestions never existed, hence it's baseless to drag an old post to this conversation and comment on that. This is for the future and not for the past.
Off-course if i was still a a Newbie on 2nd October 2018, then this comment would have made some sense, but as of now it doesn't.

You can see that i travelled all the way from the Member Rank of Brand New to Jr. Member to Member with 34 Merits within a time-frame of 4 Months.

If i can do that, why can't others?
I am not god or something extra-ordinary over here, right?
Even i am a normal human being like you guys are.

Also, if i continue this way, the day won't be far away when i will be a Legendary Member like you too.
(I know that's called over confidence and too much to say as of now, i'm just kidding)

May-be you could read my suggestions once again and see how it fits here.

To conclude, that was just a suggestion & nothing personal to any member.
I have clearly stated it that it may or may not be Good / Possible. I knew some people may not agree with it, that's why i have attached a NOTE at the bottom of my post.

See it goes this way, it's easy to say negative about a suggestion posted by a member by simply finding loop holes in it, but it's quite difficult to give back a Valuable / Positive suggestion, if we ask for it.

Well, if you have a better idea or suggestion to counter it, then everyone else over here would love to hear that, so why not take a chance?
So i hereby ask you, do you have a better suggestion than what i have posted here, i would really appreciate it?  Tongue

NOTE:
Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

Thank you everyone for reading this. Have a great day ahead.

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