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April 22, 2018, 06:32:41 PM
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Weekly update is here guys. sMerit still decreasing Sad almost 50% less in 6 weeks  Cry



I think it is expected that we will experience a shortage of liquidity in the transition from communism to capitalism especially that unknown smerits got out of circulation in dormant accounts. Wait until the number of sources increases further.



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April 22, 2018, 06:48:40 PM
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Jet Merits and Talk Cash have still got sMerits to award, but where are all the good posts?
Maybe I've got too many people on ignore or something.

Well there is one for coin locker, but shouldn't the merits be going to chat about Bitcoin?

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April 22, 2018, 07:40:30 PM
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Jet Merits and Talk Cash have still got sMerits to award, but where are all the good posts?
Maybe I've got too many people on ignore or something.

Well there is one for coin locker, but shouldn't the merits be going to chat about Bitcoin?

Jet Talk and Cash Merits ought to swing by the altcoins\mining subforum as there is very little shitposting, and even a few threads in the altcoins\announcement subforum have some rollicking good discussions happening. See, for example, these gems (no posts are mine, btw, though one is a response to one of my posts):

ETHlargement - the hashrate hardener
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3370685.0

Building cheap miners : my secret
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1955358.0

XMR-stak 2.4.2 Compiled with no devfee [note - the devs of xmr-stak provide instructions to do this, so not cheating/theft)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3264773.0

Post #2668 in DERO [ANN] thread - one of two posts by same user which persuaded me to change my position on hard-forking.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg35314263#msg35314263

The user statt tirelessly supports TrezarCoin on a purely voluntary/unofficial basis, but the last line in the submitted post is priceless
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2140812.msg28510084#msg28510084

Excellent information by user storx on automatic trading with gunbot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2674194.msg34802638#msg34802638

Etc. and so on.
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April 23, 2018, 12:28:27 AM
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Just now I come to find out and inform me of all this merits Roll Eyes, I did not understand why it did not rise in level, as it will play some quality post Cheesy

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April 23, 2018, 01:44:08 AM
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Weekly update is here guys. sMerit still decreasing Sad almost 50% less in 6 weeks  Cry



Unsent Smerits decay after some time so you'd think people with Smerits would give them away. I think posts quality have improved so I wonder why the rate at which  Smerits are awarded is rather decreasing. Does it mean posts are becoming rather inferior?

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April 23, 2018, 01:49:39 AM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.
I think this merit system is a great idea to help the users read informations. And share their knowledge to other in need some answer's. I would like to be a source so i will do my best to get some merit and make a source.

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April 23, 2018, 03:16:24 AM
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Jet Merits and Talk Cash have still got sMerits to award, but where are all the good posts?
Maybe I've got too many people on ignore or something.

Well there is one for coin locker, but shouldn't the merits be going to chat about Bitcoin?


If you have smerits to dish out, then don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  There are plenty of good posts out there that can be merited.. and by the way, sometimes, I give out merits to persons who post a bunch of mediocre posts, but in that case, I feel that I am giving merits to the person and for their overall contributions to the forum and not to any one post that the person made.

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How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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April 23, 2018, 03:20:02 AM
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Weekly update is here guys. sMerit still decreasing Sad almost 50% less in 6 weeks  Cry



Unsent Smerits decay after some time so you'd think people with Smerits would give them away. I think posts quality have improved so I wonder why the rate at which  Smerits are awarded is rather decreasing. Does it mean posts are becoming rather inferior?


Show the source of your information about smerits decaying.  It is not true.  It says right on the merits' page of each user that smerits might decay in the future, which clearly suggests that smerits do not currently decay.

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How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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April 23, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
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Jet Merits and Talk Cash have still got sMerits to award, but where are all the good posts?
Maybe I've got too many people on ignore or something.

Well there is one for coin locker, but shouldn't the merits be going to chat about Bitcoin?


If you have smerits to dish out, then don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  There are plenty of good posts out there that can be merited.. and by the way, sometimes, I give out merits to persons who post a bunch of mediocre posts, but in that case, I feel that I am giving merits to the person and for their overall contributions to the forum and not to any one post that the person made.

this is very generous of you. i'd do that, too. i gave out all the smerits i had, and i thought they will be refundable. but it seems that they are not.  but unfortunately the majority of people here is different (but it's only my opinion, i might be wrong), apparently they think that a person should invent another blockchain to become good enough for a couple of smerit points))). i feel that i stuck with my rank. cause i don't think i can get 150 merits in years))

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April 23, 2018, 12:31:09 PM
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Weekly update is here guys. sMerit still decreasing Sad almost 50% less in 6 weeks  Cry




While this is a good statistics, but you miss one key point here, did the quality of posts increasing? Dont just see from the merit's perspective man.


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April 23, 2018, 12:37:27 PM
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Jet Merits and Talk Cash have still got sMerits to award, but where are all the good posts?
Whenever I go to Beginners & Help, I usually end up getting someone banned. I'm not even looking for someone to get banned, and yet, they're much easier to find than a Newbie with good posts.

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April 23, 2018, 12:51:27 PM
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What if  a group of bounty hunters create a group somewhere else e.a. on facebook and they will use/exchange  their extra merit with each other? would that be possible also? if yes then their existing merit could have easily doubled? am i right? 
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April 23, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
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While this is a good statistics, but you miss one key point here, did the quality of posts increasing? Dont just see from the merit's perspective man.

This is hard to say, only the numbers are certain. The quality of the posts are relative to the person who reads them. For example (even if it is not true) looking at the numbers that are continuously decreasing I would like to say: no it is decreasing since we have less and less sMerit.
This is a 3d related to the merits and since I love the statistics I like to share my hobby and even if You do not believe it for someone it's interesting!

The point is the following: let's see when the airdropped sMerit will end so we can see if the generated sMerit from sources is enough or not for the system.

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April 23, 2018, 04:30:05 PM
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What if  a group of bounty hunters create a group somewhere else e.a. on facebook and they will use/exchange  their extra merit with each other? would that be possible also? if yes then their existing merit could have easily doubled? am i right? 
They won't have that much smerit to begin with.

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April 23, 2018, 04:30:51 PM
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While this is a good statistics, but you miss one key point here, did the quality of posts increasing? Dont just see from the merit's perspective man.

This is hard to say, only the numbers are certain. The quality of the posts are relative to the person who reads them. For example (even if it is not true) looking at the numbers that are continuously decreasing I would like to say: no it is decreasing since we have less and less sMerit.
This is a 3d related to the merits and since I love the statistics I like to share my hobby and even if You do not believe it for someone it's interesting!

The point is the following: let's see when the airdropped sMerit will end so we can see if the generated sMerit from sources is enough or not for the system.

As you suggest, quantitative analysis on numerical data in feasible without too much difficulty and gives us good insights. Were things start to get rather out of reach is the measurement of the quality side to posts. As I’ve said a few times around, I favour generating Interest as the overall objective of posting over Quality. Being both subjective and often interlocked, I find quality is more of a stepping-stone towards creating a post that falls under the radar of readers, thus generating interest.

Regardless, without being so picky making the above distinction between correlated terms, to measure quality, and surpass the subjective individual opinion we all have on it, we could:

1)   Perform a survey on Forum users, so as to tabulate results. This though is bound to be rather biased now days though, since quality is one of the most correlated terms we can see in posts that talk about Merit (and we know how hot and contraversary that topics is).

2)   Perform semantical and structural analysis on the posts, through some sort of A.I. project (there’s an idea, though probably not original and rather complex). That would favour having an overall measure of what quality means. Imagine if the A.I. system were to be capable of revising our posts, making an automatic score based on quality. The A.I could then become a merit source if not The Merit source... wouldn't that be a treat!

From the day-to-day point of view, there’s also the Quantity factor that interferes with finding quality posts around. I went round today and awarded a few merits, but I was specifically looking for posts belonging to users lower than my rank. Unfortunately, a couple of posts that seemed to be interesting to some extent were verbatim copy/paste from the referenced news article, without any personal addition or opinion to it. To get to these, I went into all sorts of sections, scanning posts only pertaining to relatively small threads, since I generally prefer going from the top and at least skimming through all the posts within the thread.

So the quantity factor on the forum plays against the quality factor, being good posts outnumbered by bad posts and therefore, pushed back from visibility.

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April 23, 2018, 05:04:17 PM
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Weekly update is here guys. sMerit still decreasing Sad almost 50% less in 6 weeks  Cry



sMerit will keep decreasing. Why?  Now i give you a simulation.

If Aa have 1000 Merit and 500 sMerit
Bb have 600 Merit and 300 sMerit
And Cc have 200 Merit and 100 sMerit
(900 total of sMerit)
Cc create a good post --> Aa and Bb give all of they merit to Cc.(800 total sMerit given) .

How many Cc have sMerit? And how many total sMerit now?
He/she have 500 sMerit now (this is the total of sMerit). Because you get 0.5 sMerit every Merit received


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April 23, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
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You’re leaving out two important parts to the equation, and thus oversimplifying your argument.

1. New sMerit is also generated in the Forum.  See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources
That means that up to 17.800 sMerits are newly created every 30 days. Distribution of them depends on many factors, but they are potentially generated and definitively new to the overall pool.

2. The total estimated amount of initial sMerit (aggregating all users) was of around 600K.

That means that even though sMerit transfer causes a decay by halving the resendable sMerit, Merit Sources counter balance that fact, and also there is still plenty overall from the initial genesis in theory.

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You’re leaving out two important parts to the equation, and thus oversimplifying your argument.

1. New sMerit is also generated in the Forum.  See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources
That means that up to 17.800 sMerits are newly created every 30 days. Distribution of them depends on many factors, but they are potentially generated and definitively new to the overall pool.

2. The total estimated amount of initial sMerit (aggregating all users) was of around 600K.

That means that even though sMerit transfer causes a decay by halving the resendable sMerit, Merit Sources counter balance that fact, and also there is still plenty overall from the initial genesis in theory.



can you please explain me something. i got some 6 smerits, i gave them out more than a month ago. so this is it for me? no more smerits will be given to me?
i have read somewhere that they are refundable and in 30 days, i'll have the same number of smerits to share.. but i have nothing.
thanks a lot in advance.

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can you please explain me something. i got some 6 smerits, i gave them out more than a month ago. so this is it for me? no more smerits will be given to me?
i have read somewhere that they are refundable and in 30 days, i'll have the same number of smerits to share.. but i have nothing.
thanks a lot in advance.

That’s it in terms of free airdropped sMerit (derived from airdropped Merit). The initial amount does not get restocked, as it would render the merit rather pointless. From now on the path to being able to award others sMerit is by gaining it first through noticeable posts that gain merit for you when someone awards you with it.

The 30 day refundable quantity is a misconception. It applies to specific limited and discrete user accounts that have a role of Merit Source. Having merit in the user profile is not the same as being a merit source. That I have seen misinterpreted more than once.

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April 23, 2018, 11:59:10 PM
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Jet Merits and Talk Cash have still got sMerits to award, but where are all the good posts?
Maybe I've got too many people on ignore or something.

Well there is one for coin locker, but shouldn't the merits be going to chat about Bitcoin?


If you have smerits to dish out, then don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  There are plenty of good posts out there that can be merited.. and by the way, sometimes, I give out merits to persons who post a bunch of mediocre posts, but in that case, I feel that I am giving merits to the person and for their overall contributions to the forum and not to any one post that the person made.

this is very generous of you. i'd do that, too. i gave out all the smerits i had, and i thought they will be refundable. but it seems that they are not. 

If I give you the benefit of the doubt, you may have made some legitimate mistake in your belief that smerits were going to be refunded, but if you had truly looked into the matter and/or thought about it, you had spent 2 smerits within the first 30 days, and then you spent an additional 5 smerits in the next 30 days.  You were not even prudent about your spending of your smerits because you spent 7 smerits on two members. 

In some sense, your story does not really add up, even if I give you the benefit of the doubt.


but unfortunately the majority of people here is different (but it's only my opinion, i might be wrong), apparently they think that a person should invent another blockchain to become good enough for a couple of smerit points))).

I doubt that we can really attribute any kind of narrow set of motivations to members regarding their choices to spend their smerits.  Ultimately there is a lot of personal discretion involved, and surely if some of the members are good at hodling their bitcoins, they also might believe it to be prudent to hodl some of their smerits.. maybe budget a certain amount to spend per month or per week?  But of course, there is individual variation, and you did get my point that it is likely that some folks just have very high standards in terms of what is going to cause them to spend their smerits.


i feel that i stuck with my rank. cause i don't think i can get 150 merits in years))

I have decided to give you 1 smerit for your overall posts, and to give you some benefit of the doubt, even though your story is a bit implausible.  Also, your posts are a bit mediocre too (which some might characterize as shit posting), but I think that with some efforts you could perhaps improve your post quality by engaging in threads that are interesting to you and to try to provide meaningful responses to members in order to help members to understand matters more clearly (or from another perspective). 

If you try to provide substantive meaning and to help other forum members, then it is likely that you could at least earn some merits and to thereafter be able to increase yourself in rank.  Sometimes considering quality of posts rather than spitting out quantity of posts is good, and sometimes it is possible to accomplish both.  I will concede that it can be a bit time-consuming to really improve the quality of your posts - and perhaps even to limit the number of your responses to some manageable amount - let's say 5 quality posts per week or some other goal that you believe is something that you can work towards improving your post quality, attracting attention of other members and thereby earning merits.

can you please explain me something. i got some 6 smerits, i gave them out more than a month ago. so this is it for me? no more smerits will be given to me?
i have read somewhere that they are refundable and in 30 days, i'll have the same number of smerits to share.. but i have nothing.
thanks a lot in advance.

Even though your framing of your question seems to suggest that you already do know the answer, in the responsive post, above, DdmrDdmr has clearly addressed your question.  I have given an smerit to DdmrDdmr, even though he seems to have spent a decent amount of time answering a question that has been answered several times in this thread... but anyhow, I was feeling like spending some extra smerits, today.... hahahahahhaha

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