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May 09, 2018, 07:35:26 AM
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While I support merit system I don't think it's fair that at the launch of the system old ranks remained unchanged. This is controversial, because you now see Members and above that make spam posts, yet they have access to all the benefits of current rank, while newbies have to work very hard to get to the same rank...
Don't you think those who joined bitcoin (bitcointalk) in 2010 or 2011 should be more respectable than new comers?
Well to me those are the real ones behind the success of bitcoin because the believed in bitcoin more than we do and they deserve the benefits if there are any.

I agree they should be respected, but not all of the old members are angelic creatures who never shitpost. As AlekSandRAx said, they all get an advantage and some of them just don't deserve it. A spammer who registerded one year ago is rewarded much more than a hard-working quality poster who registered one month ago.

What I see as a solution to this,
1) Separate the rank and merit points, let old members keep their rank and allow them to have the signature advantages but they should start with 0 merit.
2) Campaign organizers should use merit points for reward scaling.

With the above system, even if a lot more people will end up using big signatures, they won't be able to get rewarded if they're spammers with 0 merit.
What kind of campaign would reward a hero member with 0 merit points? Such an old member should be experienced enough to make quality posts, so if he/she has 0 merit it means he/she is a spammer and no one would reward them with my proposed change.

I'd love to hear what you think about it.

PS: I've read a lot of pages of this thread and I think no one has proposed the above, but if I've missed something I apologize.
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May 09, 2018, 07:39:27 AM
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What kind of campaign would reward a hero member with 0 merit points?

The same kind that rewards a Hero Member with 500 unearned Merit now. The problem is the campaigns paying in tokens they create out of thin air. It doesn't cost them anything to pay the participants so they don't care about quality, they just want quantity of page impressions.

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May 09, 2018, 09:56:43 AM
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Where are the pretorians of the forum?

100+ merits for this post, no ban, no red trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032134.msg32216177#msg32216177

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May 09, 2018, 10:34:49 AM
Merited by RivAngE (1)
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I think it does deserve a comment.

The translation is "The project idea is good, but 1000 qualified participants are too difficult", showing a great effort that benefits all, and is certainly worthy of merit. Must have put some time into it too to cruch up the 1000 number (ffs!).

The receiver has gainned overtime 70 sMerits from one of the Senders -> frankkkkkkk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=322576

The other two senders have only sent to this user in all their history and on the commented post:
xx63245613 -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=331517 (21 sMerits)
zrunfeng -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=290762 (39 sMerits)

This case is certainly looking like a small farm.

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May 09, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Last edit: May 09, 2018, 10:58:51 AM by coinlocket$
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I've reported this case yesterday, that's way another user reported here also.  Grin Wink
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.msg36729723#msg36729723

On that 3d i've reported around 100 merit abusers so far. Almost none is tagged.
Some on them has 200+merit abuse.

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May 09, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
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How many daily post required to get rank upgradation ?
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May 09, 2018, 11:40:57 AM
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I've reported this case yesterday, that's way another user reported here also.  Grin Wink
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.msg36729723#msg36729723

On that 3d i've reported around 100 merit abusers so far. Almost none is tagged.
Some on them has 200+merit abuse.

The system tells me I have reported 2 users so far with 100% accuracy, but I don't know what that means! Do they just delete their posts or do the users have some kind of a punishment?
This guy though seems to be a bot with 4 accounts (Fengxia, frankkkkkkk, zrunfeng, xx63245613). Nice find DdmrDdmr, you get a +Merit from me!
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May 09, 2018, 11:53:16 AM
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The system tells me I have reported 2 users so far with 100% accuracy, but I don't know what that means! Do they just delete their posts or do the users have some kind of a punishment?

That depends on what the post is reported for. Spam low-value posts usually just get deleted whereas plagiarism is a permaban, other things may be somewhere in between. If the moderator thinks it is a spambot they'll probably ban it. The 100% accuracy just means that a moderator didn't mark it as an incorrect report.

There is no forum rule against giving Merit to a shitpost, so nobody is going to get banned for that.

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May 09, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
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<...> Nice find DdmrDdmr, you get a +Merit from me!

Actually, it was the post above mine from Magister Magus that reported it on this thread, so the credit is really his... Coinlocket$ spotted it too.

The problem I see is that there is no clear unique procedure to resolve these cases, so they end up on multiple posts over time, often buried by other subsequent posts. Other times, the cases are reported directly to moderator.

Ideally, we would have a common unique zone where we could report and see the status of the action being taken searching by userId. This would avoid redundant reports, as well as mitigate the effect of re-reporting already cleared cases.
Seoincorporation is suggesting getting a “Merit abuse report button" in each profile to help the reporting process, but in addition I would add what I stated above.

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May 09, 2018, 12:15:02 PM
Last edit: May 09, 2018, 12:40:35 PM by coinlocket$
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<...> Nice find DdmrDdmr, you get a +Merit from me!

Actually, it was the post above mine from Magister Magus that reported it on this thread, so the credit is really his... Coinlocket$ spotted it too.


This another example how merit is not working wery well, I've found this case yesterday, another one post it later, another one quoted it and the merit goes to the 3rd person, atleast in this case merit went to a good person! Grin

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The problem I see is that there is no clear unique procedure to resolve these cases, so they end up on multiple posts over time, often buried by other subsequent posts. Other times, the cases are reported directly to moderator.

I usually post in that 3d but people will always open new 3d, with probably clickbait titles with the tentative to grab some merit points. Look this case, (this is the 3rd time i've reported it), still 0 responses.
This is not a simple merit abuser (only) 200 Merit used but they are linked with eth and they are linked to a fraud eth account. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3420918.msg35753912#msg35753912



Or this one, 100/150+ merit traded from alt/bought from others https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.msg36429218#msg36429218.

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May 09, 2018, 04:31:47 PM
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I Thought I am not late for bitcoin train but realizing that now I need merits to get promotion in bitcointalk community, even realizing that supporting bitcoin is dangerous for me as I am may be on the watchlist of local agencies.  Cry

Can you guys imagine how hard it is to be in the country where bitcoin is banned just because People at the top doesn't have any sense to understand Blockchain & Cryptocurrency?  Huh



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May 11, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
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I really, really, really dislike popularity-based metrics and voting, more so on a site like this where there are so many people with networks of anonymous accounts, and even more so when its grandfathered in. I remember when another forum I was a high contributor on added essentially the same thing, and I had 10,000s of posts and 0 of it. My guides combined have millions of page views, but I will receive nothing from them. Additionally, I would be penalized for not reposting the same guide every 120 days, which seems to go against the stated intentions.

Sorry dogie, I'm philosophically with you on this one but I had to give you +merit anyways ;-)

I don't think newbies will be able to fully appreciate your contributions.
Your guides were essential when I was actively mining....Thank you.

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May 11, 2018, 10:51:36 PM
Last edit: May 17, 2018, 11:44:30 AM by MagicSmoker
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I usually post in that 3d but people will always open new 3d...

Just a head's up on this "3d = thread" thing: note that most native English speakers will read "3d" as "three-dee" - as in, three-dimensional. When that fails to parse correctly the next interpretation the brain will make is, "threed," which also makes no sense, of course. Finally, some precious fractions of a second later, a 3rd interpretation will be tried, "thread," but while the context was eventually conveyed, the time spent arriving at it will likely have exceeded the time it would have taken you to type the additional 4 letters.

While I don't mind acronyms, shorthand and even the occasional bit of jargon that is assumed to be understood, rather than defined contextually, I think "txt-speak" should be limited to when you are actually on a phone and sending a text message with a virtual keyboard.



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May 11, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
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WEEKLY UPDATE





Seems the sMerit is stable around 4.8-4.9k week, this means around 700/day 21k/month

Every transaction can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLE096cbESGHPkUu9QT_pRONzZtT2MIS_zQq3rvoUjI/edit?usp=sharing


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May 12, 2018, 01:40:58 AM
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I have read and actively supported the forum members but my merit was not received from the administrator. why so?
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May 12, 2018, 01:43:25 AM
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I have read and actively supported the forum members but my merit was not received from the administrator. why so?
You can read and follow the conditions here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.
More than that, you need to post constructive forum posts, and support members' questions. The merit will be received if people see the post well, and the number of merit received from all eligible members, rather than from the administrator.
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May 12, 2018, 02:42:05 AM
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How many daily post required to get rank upgradation ?

Some briefs for you:

1) You need posts in different activity periods. One activity period is for 14 days, so you can get maximum 14 activity points in one period.

2) If you make more than 14, it will be credited in next period provided you make at least one post in that period.

3) You also need merits to rank up (not for your next rank up which is junior member and needs no merits).
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May 12, 2018, 06:32:33 AM
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How many daily post required to get rank upgradation ?

Some briefs for you:

1) You need posts in different activity periods. One activity period is for 14 days, so you can get maximum 14 activity points in one period.

2) If you make more than 14, it will be credited in next period provided you make at least one post in that period.

3) You also need merits to rank up (not for your next rank up which is junior member and needs no merits).

THank you for this information.. i am new here and i begun to understand of whats going on..
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May 12, 2018, 10:46:07 AM
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I do not understand a bit, explain to me! For example, I have the rank of Member(have 10merit) and I want to  1Merit, but I can not do it, because I do not have to sMerit. How can I be in that case, where do I get it?
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May 12, 2018, 10:52:09 AM
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Where are the pretorians of the forum?

100+ merits for this post, no ban, no red trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032134.msg32216177#msg32216177

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Before some weeks i saw a guy who got 48 merit just for a letter which was no way related to the topic discussed there  . These people just get a few bitcoins and give merit to others and people whose content are of really good quality don't get merits
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