Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

BCCI sitting at top as far as food chain is concern, this doesn't surprise anyone tbh.

ECB and CA rolled over CSA last year. ICC did nothing and BCCI did the same with ECB.

Indian team was in England for 4 months and BCCI tried their best to move Old Trafford test to early as possible but ECB repeatedly declined the request because they wanted to take care of "The 100".

Who permitted the ECB to have two franchise leagues in a year? First they have the T20 Blast (in which 18 county sides take part), and then from this year onwards they have started the Hundred as well. There is hardly any room in the international calendar because of all the franchise leagues and bilateral tours. And now the pig 3 want to reduce the number of ICC events. ECB has no reason to complain. The BCCI prioritized their franchise league (IPL), just like the ECB prioritized theirs. The ECB guys are just a bunch of hypocrites. 

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[Haunebu]

First they have the T20 Blast (in which 18 county sides take part), and then from this year onwards they have started the Hundred as well. There is hardly any room in the international calendar because of all the franchise leagues and bilateral tours. And now the pig 3 want to reduce the number of ICC events. ECB has no reason to complain. The BCCI prioritized their franchise league (IPL), just like the ECB prioritized theirs. The ECB guys are just a bunch of hypocrites. 

I agree. Majority believed the rumours about the Indian team openly violating COVID norms and criticised them while defending ECB and the England team while the minority didn't and supported India's decision to abandon the final test.

The points that you stated support the minority in this case. It's pretty clear that ECB and BCCI are blaming each other primarily due to financial reasons.

[virasog]

The points that you stated support the minority in this case. It's pretty clear that ECB and BCCI are blaming each other primarily due to financial reasons.

Both board may blame each other but the big question is who is more beneficial on the final decision on the 5th test match ?

Observed that recent posts discussed IPL which is a T-20 tournament which is why this particular discussion needs to continue in the T-20 Discussion thread in my opinion.

Exactly, we have separate threads for all the different formats of cricket and the respective discussion should be in the respective thread.

For T20:-
T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

For ODI:-
ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion

[bryant.coleman]

Both board may blame each other but the big question is who is more beneficial on the final decision on the 5th test match ?

For that, the decision needs to be known. The ICC hasn't taken a decision yet. BCCI has requested them to consider the 5th test as "no result". However the ECB is arguing that it should be "forfeited by India". Depending on the ICC, the series may either be won by India 2-1, or drawn at 2-2. The real losers are TV broadcasters and sponsors. And for the ECB, the question mark remains on the financial impact. Depending on which way the ICC takes it's decision, they may be eligible for the insurance payout or not.

[Juggy777]

Both board may blame each other but the big question is who is more beneficial on the final decision on the 5th test match ?

For that, the decision needs to be known. The ICC hasn't taken a decision yet. BCCI has requested them to consider the 5th test as "no result". However the ECB is arguing that it should be "forfeited by India". Depending on the ICC, the series may either be won by India 2-1, or drawn at 2-2. The real losers are TV broadcasters and sponsors. And for the ECB, the question mark remains on the financial impact. Depending on which way the ICC takes it's decision, they may be eligible for the insurance payout or not.

@bryant.coleman ECB is one of the biggest loser if the result goes against them, because then they can’t claim the insurance money and they lose the trophy too. Also ICC can’t risk upsetting BCCI so the only logical solution is to have this test at a later stage, and bend the rules and say due to covid we had to allow this, and by bending the rules ICC can satisfy all the parties involved.

Source:

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/the-insurance-clause-triggering-cold-war-between-bcci-and-ecb-over-cancelled-manchester-test/811664

[JSRAW]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

[TheGreatPython]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

Is it a 26 minute long video? I am sorry my bandwidth definitely will not let me to watch and hear the full video. Could you briefly elaborate what is the core point of this video on last test match cancellation between India and England. I do follow only cricinfo for all cricket news but there I read only covid was the reason for India for unable to field a team. Not sure how corporate are secretly dominating ICC and all other nations' cricket boards. Anyhow, team managements must give enough time for all players between series. Otherwise, we may see such cancellations in more frequent occasions.

[bitgov]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

After Old Trafford test cancellation, New Zealand has gone to one next level by canceling there 3 ODIs and 5 T20Is tour to Pakistan. Old Trafford Test cancellation reasons were unclear but New Zealand have given clear statement regarding cancellation of this tour to Pakistan i.e. security concerns.

[laurenB7742]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

Is it a 26 minute long video? I am sorry my bandwidth definitely will not let me to watch and hear the full video. Could you briefly elaborate what is the core point of this video on last test match cancellation between India and England. I do follow only cricinfo for all cricket news but there I read only covid was the reason for India for unable to field a team. Not sure how corporate are secretly dominating ICC and all other nations' cricket boards. Anyhow, team managements must give enough time for all players between series. Otherwise, we may see such cancellations in more frequent occasions.

Basically what happened is Coronavirus has spread among the Indian camp. So they were unable to form a team for the fifth and final test match between England and India. The news has been confirmed by the England cricket board. This certainly makes us cricket fans really sad. Other test matches of this series were really interesting and satisfying to watch. This would also have been a great match no doubt. But seems like this wasn't to be.

[Sithara007]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

I understand that the players are not very comfortable with the tightened restrictions. Previously when the Indian team used to tour the SENA countries, they used to treat these tours as paid vacations. Usually they would bring their entire families along, and would spent most of the time in shopping and other activities. Due to the pandemic, these activities are not possible now. But that doesn't mean that the players are not enjoying. If that was the case, then how bio-bubble breach was reported on 3 times in the last six months? 

[CryptoBuds]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

I understand that the players are not very comfortable with the tightened restrictions. Previously when the Indian team used to tour the SENA countries, they used to treat these tours as paid vacations. Usually they would bring their entire families along, and would spent most of the time in shopping and other activities. Due to the pandemic, these activities are not possible now. But that doesn't mean that the players are not enjoying. If that was the case, then how bio-bubble breach was reported on 3 times in the last six months?  

^ I think sometimes player just takes it too easy. They think they have done everything alright and enough so they can have a long rest. But a lot of them can push their body further than they always do. Players at times don't even remember that they are professionals and they get paid for playing better. They treat it like a hobby but actually, they should treat it as a job. Because it is their job to play well and give their 100% no matter what. And if you simply cannot follow some simple rules then you should not be with the team.

[Vishnu.Reang]

^ I think sometimes prayer just takes it too easy. They think they have done everything alright and enough so they can have a long rest. But a lot of them can push their body further than they always do. Players at times don't even remember that they are professionals and they get paid for playing better. They treat it like a hobby but actually, they should treat it as a job. Because it is their job to play well and give their 100% no matter what. And if you simply cannot follow some simple rules then you should not be with the team.

I have noticed that some of the Indian players have become extremely arrogant nowadays. They believe that they should be treated as gods, and laws doesn't apply to them. The toothless behavior of the BCCI has further encouraged this behavior. If the BCCI had taken a strong stance after the bubble-breaches in IPL and Sri Lanka, then the players would have fallen in line. But the BCCI is busy with infighting and they didn't had the balls to take action against those who were responsible for the breach.

[BALIK]

^ I think sometimes prayer just takes it too easy. They think they have done everything alright and enough so they can have a long rest. But a lot of them can push their body further than they always do. Players at times don't even remember that they are professionals and they get paid for playing better. They treat it like a hobby but actually, they should treat it as a job. Because it is their job to play well and give their 100% no matter what. And if you simply cannot follow some simple rules then you should not be with the team.

I have noticed that some of the Indian players have become extremely arrogant nowadays. They believe that they should be treated as gods, and laws doesn't apply to them. The toothless behavior of the BCCI has further encouraged this behavior. If the BCCI had taken a strong stance after the bubble-breaches in IPL and Sri Lanka, then the players would have fallen in line. But the BCCI is busy with infighting and they didn't had the balls to take action against those who were responsible for the breach.

The BCCI is not paying much attention to the ICC now. They are doing as they please. Proof of this is the cancellation of the match against England. Similarly, their players are becoming reckless. The players are too arrogant. Because BCCI never gives any punishment to the players. After the incident in Sri Lanka, I thought maybe BCCI would give any punishment to the players, I thought money could fine. But BCCI did not give any punishment to the players. If BCCI never gives any punishment to the players then it will cause disgrace to them in future.

[bryant.coleman]

The BCCI is not paying much attention to the ICC now. They are doing as they please. Proof of this is the cancellation of the match against England. Similarly, their players are becoming reckless. The players are too arrogant. Because BCCI never gives any punishment to the players. After the incident in Sri Lanka, I thought maybe BCCI would give any punishment to the players, I thought money could fine. But BCCI did not give any punishment to the players. If BCCI never gives any punishment to the players then it will cause disgrace to them in future.

Back in Sri Lanka, it was Krunal Pandya who breached the bubble and infected others in the camp. If it was some other player, then the BCCI would have taken stringent action. But the Pandya sisters are like close confidents of captain Kohli and any punishment meted out them will result in Jay Shah getting a kick in his rear side from Kohli. The same was the case with the IPL as well. It was the KKR franchise which was responsible for the bubble breach then. They are among the "heavyweight" franchises, so obviously no action was taken.

[JSRAW]

Good video on old trafford test cancellation. It appears that players are saying enough is enough regarding their tight schedule and mental health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qk0Og-qoY

I understand that the players are not very comfortable with the tightened restrictions. Previously when the Indian team used to tour the SENA countries, they used to treat these tours as paid vacations. Usually they would bring their entire families along, and would spent most of the time in shopping and other activities. Due to the pandemic, these activities are not possible now. But that doesn't mean that the players are not enjoying. If that was the case, then how bio-bubble breach was reported on 3 times in the last six months? 

All of you diverted the mental health and extremely tight schedule discussion to disciplinary behavior hehe

[Vishnu.Reang]

All of you diverted the mental health and extremely tight schedule discussion to disciplinary behavior hehe

I am someone who need to work 5 days a week, and on average 8 hours per day. Here we have a bunch of guys who play cricket around 60-70 days per year and even during the tours they bring their family along and roam around with them. They need to behave like athletes playing any other sport. Players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi spend a lot more time playing compared to these guys and still maintain the professionalism. If these guys can't keep up with the schedules, then they can retire from any two formats, and focus on the format which they like the most (T20?).

[Sihab76]

Observed that recent posts discussed IPL which is a T-20 tournament which is why this particular discussion needs to continue in the T-20 Discussion thread in my opinion.

Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract.

I disagree. Some fans like me didn't criticise the test cancellation since we agreed with India's decision who weren't willing to take risks due to their physios getting infected.

ECB wanted India to forfeit in order to save face, but the BCCI weren't dumb enough to succumb to their demands. Also, Pakistan players aren't part of the IPL in recent years due to tensions between India and Pakistan(Not just the BCCI).

But we saw IPL in full swing going on despite massive spread of covid in India until some players decided to leave to show support for the sufferings of the people (Zampa, Ashwin and few others).
Whether it's on choice of ECB or BCCI, such things are not good for the game in the long run.

I don't think Kovid 19 should be re-boycotted or postponed due to IPL. Although some players of Sunrise Hyderabad have already been affected by Covid 19 and are out of the field for 14 days quarantine. Today Sunrise Hyderabad their match is against Delhi Capital Lost. If some of their players had not been positive, their matches would not have been lost so hard.

[laurenB7742]

I am someone who need to work 5 days a week, and on average 8 hours per day. Here we have a bunch of guys who play cricket around 60-70 days per year and even during the tours they bring their family along and roam around with them. They need to behave like athletes playing any other sport. Players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi spend a lot more time playing compared to these guys and still maintain the professionalism. If these guys can't keep up with the schedules, then they can retire from any two formats, and focus on the format which they like the most (T20?).

I think these guys should start thinking of cricket as their full-time job, not some kid's hobby. And the cricket boards should look into this matter seriously. If u can't attend to the office because u wanna spend quality time with your family when your team needs you, you shouldn't have a job. There are a lot out there who's better than you. It's not about retiring from other formats, it's about dedication. And they freaking have none of it.

[pakhitheboss]

^ I think sometimes prayer just takes it too easy. They think they have done everything alright and enough so they can have a long rest. But a lot of them can push their body further than they always do. Players at times don't even remember that they are professionals and they get paid for playing better. They treat it like a hobby but actually, they should treat it as a job. Because it is their job to play well and give their 100% no matter what. And if you simply cannot follow some simple rules then you should not be with the team.

I have noticed that some of the Indian players have become extremely arrogant nowadays. They believe that they should be treated as gods, and laws doesn't apply to them. The toothless behavior of the BCCI has further encouraged this behavior. If the BCCI had taken a strong stance after the bubble-breaches in IPL and Sri Lanka, then the players would have fallen in line. But the BCCI is busy with infighting and they didn't had the balls to take action against those who were responsible for the breach.

The BCCI is not paying much attention to the ICC now. They are doing as they please. Proof of this is the cancellation of the match against England. Similarly, their players are becoming reckless. The players are too arrogant. Because BCCI never gives any punishment to the players. After the incident in Sri Lanka, I thought maybe BCCI would give any punishment to the players, I thought money could fine. But BCCI did not give any punishment to the players. If BCCI never gives any punishment to the players then it will cause disgrace to them in future.

Not punishing players for contracting a pandemic disease will not bring disgrace to BCCI that is for sure. There should be some disciplinary action against those who breached the bubble but how will you prove it? Still, it is possible to take disciplinary action but we need to wait for those as at the moment they are busy with IPL and also the upcoming T20 WC.

[Sithara007]

I think these guys should start thinking of cricket as their full-time job, not some kid's hobby. And the cricket boards should look into this matter seriously. If u can't attend to the office because u wanna spend quality time with your family when your team needs you, you shouldn't have a job. There are a lot out there who's better than you. It's not about retiring from other formats, it's about dedication. And they freaking have none of it.

Exactly. International cricket should be treated as a career, and not as a hobby. First of all, the BCCI should stop bringing in entire families for the foreign tours. This doesn't allow the players to stay focused. If they want to go for shopping with the families, then they can do that after the tour, not in between. When was the last time that India won an ICC tournament? This may be the reason. They had a good chance to win the WTC final, and still lost the match. And this T20 world cup represents an ideal opportunity for them to win an ICC trophy. Let's see how they perform.