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September 24, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
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this is gonna be great.

the shorts are mostly punks who have no idea how much pain Bitcoin can inflict on the upswing.  orders of magnitude type pain.

This thought has crossed my mind more than few times. In the early days of commodity derivative trading there used to be these long periods of flat pricing and then sudden discontinuous events, particularly spot electricity and precious metals. All these massive losses (Enron, LTCM) were be papered over by CB's pumping enough fiat to slosh around and the actual deliverable good had long enough lag time delay on expected delivery.  

Bitcoin is the first digital commodity where immediate delivery is not only expected but immediate fail-to-deliver is a loud market signal of an insolvent counterparty. Futures and derivative markets in a digital commodity available for immediate delivery seem foolhardy, but the massive speculative mania that has engulfed financial markets for the last 30 years on the back of easy fiat money has given rise to any number of hare-brained speculative secondary markets. Bitcoin derivatives could turn out to be the final denouement for the speculative manias, almost like the fiat speculators graveyard.

The proof-of-solvency measures being rolled out by bitcoin counterparties are an interesting phenomena all in themselves.

those exchanges that offer derivatives trading, especially shorting BTC, need to be watched like a hawk.

there should be no cash settlements allowed to take the place of lost BTC.  this would be how naked shorting and market manipulation would occur. 

proof of solvency and reserves should be demanded by the community to root out any shenanigans.
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September 24, 2014, 12:45:40 AM
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Look at how long it took for fincen to go after mt4 bucketshops.. im sure there will be chart and order manipulation aswell as conventional manipulation too.

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September 24, 2014, 01:49:12 AM
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anybody stupid enough to lend out BTC for shorting deserves to lose ALL of them.
...and they probably will.
There's always default.
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September 24, 2014, 03:50:59 AM
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Hey cypherdoc, what do you think about monero?
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September 24, 2014, 05:52:40 AM
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Hey cypherdoc, what do you think about monero?
Dead in 24h?

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September 24, 2014, 06:25:39 AM
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i smell Deflation.

investors are going to have to RunToSafety.  where will they go?  gold and silver?  i say NO WAY.

there's only Bitcoin if you want a scarce supply...

Come on, that's too bold to say for a 6bl market.
I sense spculator buys due to good news.

Bitcoin has still some ways to go before it's ready for the truly big move.

I hope the paper empire can kick the can down the road for yet another couple of years. (2-3?)

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September 24, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
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anybody stupid enough to lend out BTC for shorting deserves to lose ALL of them.
...and they probably will.
There's always default.

No, in this case there isn't. The borrower will be automatically force-liquidated by the platform. Lenders are protected well.

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September 24, 2014, 06:37:56 AM
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anybody stupid enough to lend out BTC for shorting deserves to lose ALL of them.
...and they probably will.
There's always default.

No, in this case there isn't. The borrower will be automatically force-liquidated by the platform. Lenders are protected well.
Unless the platform defaults too.
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September 24, 2014, 11:49:34 AM
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoindark-collaborative-network-supernet-bringing-091600138.html

SuperNET already trading at +35% Ico.
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September 24, 2014, 12:29:46 PM
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https://twitter.com/cypherdoc2/status/514752840061841410
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September 24, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
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Well this is turning into a series of unfortunate events: http://www.coindesk.com/us-banks-announce-ripple-protocol-integration/.

Can't tell if this is good or bad for bitcoin.
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September 24, 2014, 01:37:00 PM
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Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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September 24, 2014, 01:51:52 PM
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Moar Black hole bullshit:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/treasury-bill-yield-tips-into-negative-territory-1411516748
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September 24, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
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Do you see how simple it all is? We are all Japanese:

http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.de/2014/09/joesph-stiglitz-us-will-always-pay-its.html
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September 24, 2014, 03:42:05 PM
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Economics:  Where nobel prize winners introduce concepts obvious to your average 5 year old.
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September 24, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
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i just lol'd:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hbrel/swiss_secret_services_has_a_project_to_use/
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September 24, 2014, 04:26:11 PM
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you see?  the US continues to spend its money very well. glad to hear the MIC is doing well:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/24/first-u-s-stealth-jet-attack-on-syria-cost-79-million.html
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September 24, 2014, 05:14:25 PM
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https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/status/514805563570786304
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September 24, 2014, 05:18:16 PM
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get ready:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-technicals-suggest-it-may-be-ready-to-break-out--josh-brown-112600252.html
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September 24, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
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Chartist voodoo ?

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