Hey told you I'd check back.

I'm looking for .11 BTC. At 1:1 preev.

I would do this through an EMT. I will be running around today let me know if you are interested.

One that was strange to me is mdayonliner. I only noticed as he showed under my list previously.

Looks like he's chosen to wipe his trust list and exclusions. I have seen him catching more heat lately and I think this is part of his way of walking away for now.

Not blind at all. I spent hours looking for something ready to go out of the box, we just don't have it. They are mostly geared to measuring the draw from household devices. Can't confirm but I think all of Europe is 220 V and 50 HZ, so 1 meter to rule them all sort of deal.

Where as we have 110 to run most house equipment, and 220 available for appliances with a larger draw. (Dryer, Furnace, Stove).

I had found a few youtube videos previously for a DIY project, but I put that on the backburner last year. I recently started looking into it this week and am putting together a parts list. Depending on the quality this will be somewhere between 40-120 CAD for me to put together. I linked one I found below for a build. I want to go thris route because gear is pushing well over 2000W these days, so something robust would be nice.

I'm just waiting to see if I am going to buy a PDU with the capability first, haven't heard back from the seller in a few days. They're just so darn expensive to ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhR-Z6lBeZw

I didn't want to scare the Pikachu away. It may be wild and frightened easily, checked my pokedex and startling a Pikachu can result in a nasty shock. I can't confirm it's trainer gave it the hat.

Look at it, seems shy and maybe a little frightened. 

I did have a good laugh when I first noticed, as I was with my daughter and she thought I was looking up a walkthrough for her pokemon game. Me and Mom have very different game strategies,

5 - Steamtyme

Please and Thank you.

Nice in the first part we can see why she may be categorized that way. In reality though, not just foxpup, but anyone can make a judgement on Alice's actions and label her according to their views. This goes for a Mod as well. I wouldn't be worried, there's promise here. A minimum 3 people can see something valid in that claim, just by reviewing these quotes. Discussion around only the Analogy as presented has brought that out, in a claim that in the beginning seemed much more controversial.


Here we disagree only on maybe the semantics. I don't believe in having 2 systems, I do believe in using neutral feedback in place of negative for a lot of things would make the system healthier and less contentious. It would need to be displayed the same as negative and positive,  with a "total of trusted feedback received" in the trust score of a profile to make them visible and just as relevant. It would have no effect on the calculated score, but would still show that there is a noted feedback left. 1 system with all the inputs, visible for people to check.

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None of this is really relevant to the confines of the Analogy.

The rapist part is a stretch to make relevant here. You're right about a rapist having their own view of the situation. That's where social norms come into play as to whether or not those views are acceptable. The base example also calls in a "defence of property rights" a cell phone versus "self defense". Again social norms and a justice system will decide what's appropriate and where to draw the lines.

I'm not going to bother getting into that discussion any further, like I said it's not relevant.

The portion in blue though is really counterproductive compared to where you started - nearly spelling the name correct - and seeing a different point of view. I also went back and didn't see anywhere that Foxpup said Alice would be "charged", just that he labelled her as such. A bias can make us read further into something than is there.

The last parts, is dragging in merit allocation. Not relevant to what we are discussing.

Here are the scenarios.

You post in a thread you did not create, months later the thread is deleted.                            Your post count goes down, you receive no message.
You post in a thread, your post is deleted.                                                                            Your post count goes down, you receive a message in your inbox.
You post in a self-moderated thread, the OP deletes your post.                                              Your post count goes down, you receive no a message in your inbox.

You create the topic and it gets trashed.  

I'm not positive, but I believe Your post count will go down, and you will receive a message. If you had other posts in the topic they would also reduce the post count but would not receive a message.

Edit:

Thanks for that, I guess it's been a while.

I can see why perhaps you were confused I used the wrong punctuation. It was meant to be a simple question with a fairly simple straightforward answer. Highlighted in blue.

I was at no point trying to state we should be running parallel Account feedback systems. You're right having multiple systems would render any scores pointless, and would not serve the purpose of providing insight into what to expect from a member.

The final part of your quote is where you actually sort of understood me. I am wondering if that's all the concern is the wording (as it's been stated it's not financial). That's why I ask would you feel differently if the wording next to negative changed from

"Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer."
to
"Negative - You deem this persons actions untrustworthy"  

This wouldn't change the fact that the " leaver of feedback" can write anything they want in the actual feedback. It also wouldn't change the fact that some people are never going to fully agree about what is untrustworthy and what isn't. This is where you are going to see people leave/say whatever they want/believe, that's a system everyone can participate in. It's also one that can be changed slowly if we try to discuss, not argue or try to win. Rational simply explained arguments for or against certain behaviors can help shape peoples actions.


This is an example of trying to see things from another perspective. That's what I've done, and is done within the original confines of this Analogy

By creating a "tit" for "tat" scenario, Alice can be said to be blackmailing Bob. There is the perceived agreement if you return my property, I will not notify the police. Do something for me and I'll remove the negative consequence of your actions from the table. Now would Alice be punished, charged or sentenced for this - No at least not in my country. Should the police become involved their advice would be to always notify them and file a report even if you've recovered the property.

Rightly so, Alice may not realize that by letting Bob off scott free, she is only setting the predator on a path to the next victim, who may not be so lucky.

That's good to know.

I'll wait to hear about your site visit, in the meantime I'll focus on building up my home mine. I would still suggest they take my advice if they want to help themselves generate some sales here.

When you go to look through it you just have to click on the profile tab.

Scroll down and you will see "Show the last topics started by this person." it's the middle option below your profile information.
Coincidentally if you are looking for a post it's found just above that.

Just in case you lose the link.

Sorry I guess I was just confused by the sticking to only the analogy for this thread. That's why I requested to see behind the curtain so I could look it over there. Seeing as that's over with.

I'm actually having a tough time with the trust lists and the system for a few reasons. It's hard to find people I agree 100% with in the feedbacks they have left. When I originally set mine it had to do with users I'd interacted with and their overall demeanor in my time here. I'm going to have to pour more time and effort into it myself to achieve what I want from my list. It will however still include the Default trust, as I enjoy a large sample of opinions at my disposal when making decisions. That includes going beyond that and reading untrusted feedback.

So I guess in short, I am okay with them dolling out feedback because that's what it is. I don't have to agree with all of it, and they don't have to listen to my opinions on why Neutral should be used. It is not "justice" in any sense, no one is being directly punished or made whole by these actions. The only thing going on is people are being given the opportunity for insight on an account through someone else's eyes, if they blindly follow that so be it. One thing I have been doing, and that includes following foxpup link was trying to see why people feel a certain way. You know what it can be helpful if for no other reason than to see the other side of the discussion, which helps move forward.

What is the greater concern here though? Is it the fact hat people feel they are labelled as a scammer, because I've read many times you are affluent and not in need of Satoshi's. If so would all the problems go away if theymos changed the trust page to state  "This person has been deemed untrustworthy by the leaver of feedbacks". It wouldn't change anything for the users who can no longer participate in a Signature Campaign, as that's bad for advertising. Let's not forget in no way does anyone's feedback affect their ability to participate on this forum.

Well at the end of the month I believe I will remove Halong all together, as they are out of business. The others I will keep on until maybe the end of next month. With all this gear between .048 and .065 J/GH , there are really only going to be 3 proven distributors of Competitive Hardware.  Bitmain, Innosilicon, and MicroBT.

I believe I will move companies like Bitfily, Bitfury, Canaan, and Ebang to the bottom of the post under a horizontal line. Naming them as previously competitive hardware just to show the most recent changes. I believe most of the companies to still be in business. Bitfily hasn't updated their site in a long time so I'm not sure of their status at the moment.

The analogy as presented IMO is pretty simple.

Alice has been wronged/victimized her property was physically removed from her persons. She was present for this theft, and was able to confront the perpetrator. She then outlined her course of action to involve the authorities, if the property isn't returned to her. I do not see that as a threat, more of an undeserved olive branch. Bob at the moment has wronged the individual and has a decision to make. The police are not involved in this analogy, only mentioned as a possible future so I don't know why they are being discussed.

Considering this is an Analogy let's not treat it like a blind study. What is this really about maybe a link to what I'm guessing is a Reputation or Scam accusations thread.


This part clearly shows you are here discussing something else, by bringing red trust and peoples reasons for it into the discussion. You also have already made your mind up on what you expect to see. This is weird because we are only supposed to discuss the analogy, you just wrote it but are positive you know how people will react. Now you've seen my opinion on your analogy, but that is only in the context of what you have presented. There are varying degrees to which the situation could change, and then the labels or views of the participants may also change.

For example - Did Alice take the phone from someone Bob knows? that could change things.

If you are looking for a pre-built all in one unit I noticed this on the Bitfury site a while back. Looks like you can top out at 12.6 PH off 1.1 MW. I can't imagine what the price would be for one of these but it is an option.

https://bitfury.com/hardware/blockbox

If by chance you did grab one and it was loaded with the "Tardis" model, please report back as I still haven't seen a Tardis anywhere.

Is he willing to ship to Canada?
I don't need any of the miners, but I would probably interested in a 1 or 2 PDU's and 1 of the Net gear switches. Maybe a couple of the Power cables as well depending on lengths.

Do you know what they are accepting for payment methods?

This is really only a problem for the users who are applying. Again it's people who come here and don't bother reading rules or seeking information before jumping face first into a shallow pool searching for coins. The locking of the threads while the campaign is ongoing can be problematic. Some users may wish to leave the campaign and post there as opposed to PM. Some may want to ask questions about the campaign in general, or just want a clarification on the rules.

These people are really only hurting themselves. One they are likely to get skipped over by these managers in the future if they do it consistently enough to become recognizable. Then as you pointed out they are wasting their time.

These are also not posts I would bother reporting, since they shouldn't count for any Sig payments. It's not spamming up informative or conversational threads. They also aren't necessarily going off-topic, they're just being ignorant.

That is a great idea, you're right anything relevant at the moment has gone that route. I'll do that right away. I do laugh at the mini pile of PSU's I have kicking around, but I think there is a plan for next winter so maybe not a waste.

I'd love to unfortunately i'm a couple thousand KM away.  

The options I presented for you are the best to help users like myself get past their doubts, without making an extremely long trek.

It would be great if there were members from here that could or have been there, but so far there are no such vouches.

Can you address payment methods and photos? It's been asked several times.

The prices look good but they didn't respond to questions about the photos being used to represent the data centers.


It really does sound to good to be true. I'll admit to having looked over their site a couple times. What might help is doing the same thing we request of others on this board. Post some photos of the datacenter with a handwritten not of your forum username and the date. A few photos showing us around should help clear things up for people.

You may also wan to list acceptable payment methods.

Innosilicon has been given top spot in efficiency. They are noted as having several batches. The real world tests didn't match their specs 100%, but it is a minute sample size and all numbers quoted are Manufacturer advertised numbers.

I am also considering removing some of the listed Hardware:

Halong - If I'm not mistaken this company is no longer operating or producing Hardware.
Bitfury - I'm on the fence without knowing if the Tardis ever shipped out to anyone. If not there last miner is well outside competitive.

As always I'm open to input.