Phoenix1969
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November 02, 2013, 06:14:54 PM |
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Do you really think they meant temp from some other source than the thermometer reading they provided? ....lolz. That's just ludacrist.
and by not correct..I specifically mean you warning peeps about 45 degrees, when KNC specifically said "up to 105"... Are you trying to confuse people?... Those are the specs. Period.
I was warning about sensor placement (go read my previous post on why!) and you insist on ignoring what I write. Stop distorting what I said! I run mine at 69C reported and I posted a lot about the improvement from hotter temperatures with my own setup. What the hell is your fight? Do you think there is a "cold KNC" conspiracy out to get you or what? Seriously, some people will take anything posted as a personal fight. Get off your high horse! I respect your thoughts, so I'm trying to understand what the hell you are talking about... Then why did you warn him to be careful, when he said his temps barely reached 45? What is to be careful about then considering sensor placement? I'm even more confused now..... What is the point? What is the concern/why should he be concerned with the sensor? |
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jelin1984
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November 02, 2013, 06:20:51 PM |
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Is good idea for a good miner to install firmware 0.98.1?
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FeedbackLoop
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November 02, 2013, 06:29:08 PM
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Do you really think they meant temp from some other source than the thermometer reading they provided? ....lolz. That's just ludacrist.
and by not correct..I specifically mean you warning peeps about 45 degrees, when KNC specifically said "up to 105"... Are you trying to confuse people?... Those are the specs. Period.
I was warning about sensor placement (go read my previous post on why!) and you insist on ignoring what I write. Stop distorting what I said! I run mine at 69C reported and I posted a lot about the improvement from hotter temperatures with my own setup. What the hell is your fight? Do you think there is a "cold KNC" conspiracy out to get you or what? Seriously, some people will take anything posted as a personal fight. Get off your high horse! Then why did you warn him to be careful, when he said his temps barely reached 45? What is to be careful about then considering sensor placement? I'm even more confused now..... What is the point? What is the concern with the sensor? I think I was quite clear but here it is again distilling the arguments for different sensor placement THAT I KNOW OF (again I am not attacking you and I was not trying to prove anything about sensor placement, I was just giving a word of caution.) Sorry to the readers that have read this already above and that are getting tired of a 1000 page thread: Reasons to warn another user to be cautious about the assumption that the sensors are placed directly on the ASIC: 1 - user's unit has bags wrapping coolers instead of fans and is reading a low temp 2 - unit mentioned above started having problems (should we abstain from posting one line of concern to not get anyone offended??) 3 - my own posted personal experience removing cooler fans (small increase of T) versus removing case fans (large increase of T) Reasons to not warn another user about the assumption that the sensors are placed directly on the ASIC: 1 - Emilia said so apparently 2 - hot is good and we don't want to mislead other users that can only read 1 page back in the thread. Frankly KNC's customer support told me a lot of things that were not true before because they wanted to rush me (such as 5 different delivery dates and different locations of the unit). Perhaps that has changed but forgive me for posting warnings based on observations to a guy with plastic bags for fans (which I think is totally awesome and have reposted before but still plastic bags for fans): |
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Phoenix1969
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November 02, 2013, 06:48:27 PM |
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I respect your thoughts... that's why I ask...
...and why the info struck me as odd...
Yeah... the bags did give me a chuckle...
There has to be a better way for Him...
Like getting the thing out of that cold basement...
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Mogumodz
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November 02, 2013, 06:54:52 PM |
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Strange things happening... I tested the Jupiter on p2pool last night for an hour. When I brought it back to Eligius, It starts hashing faster than it ever has...  |
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FeedbackLoop
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November 02, 2013, 07:05:14 PM |
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I respect your thoughts... that's why I ask...
...and why the info struck me as odd...
Yeah... the bags did give me a chuckle...
There has to be a better way for Him...
Like getting the thing out of that cold basement...
Sorry if I sounded aggressive. You were the main person who made me take the jump to a hotter setup back in 0.95. You are also one of the few taking the brunt of the (voluntary) effort to give support here. You deserve a lot of credit for that (from KNC also)! It gets a bit hard to not get a bit defensive when you see some people acting way too sensitive to well intended posts (fortunately for me, so far, I only had one of those which I mostly brushed off but you do see it a lot here). |
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Phoenix1969
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November 02, 2013, 07:19:13 PM
Last edit: November 02, 2013, 07:34:50 PM by Phoenix1969 |
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I respect your thoughts... that's why I ask...
...and why the info struck me as odd...
Yeah... the bags did give me a chuckle...
There has to be a better way for Him...
Like getting the thing out of that cold basement...
Sorry if I sounded aggressive. You were the main person who made me take the jump to a hotter setup back in 0.95. You are also one of the few taking the brunt of the (voluntary) effort to give support here. You deserve a lot of credit for that (from KNC also)! It gets a bit hard to not get a bit defensive when you see some people acting way too sensitive to well intended posts (fortunately for me, so far, I only had one of those which I mostly brushed off but you do see it a lot here). Ditto...sorry if I sounded jerk-ish, Ewok didn't mean it...  BTW... I just ran Bertmod for the first time, It showed all cores on all machines at 100%, except one had 3 cores on a single die...dead... I tightened the screws a bit more on that board... (very tight) It brought them back!!!! Bertmod is awesome! Now 100% on all boards! edit...spoke too soon... they shut off one by one within two mins still...  will try to coax them back.... |
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augustocroppo
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November 02, 2013, 08:21:05 PM |
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How does Eligius pay out directly from the block then if it must receive the block first???
... in pool "mining" there must be an entity to receive the reward, what is not the pool participant. The reward needs to be transmitted (first transaction) to the entity which "solves" the block.[/b] You are failing to understand that the receiver (thus the "solver") it is not the pool participant.
That is not a correct statement. p2pool and eligius are evidence of that. The pool creates a coinbase entry assigning the block reward to itself. That is also an incorrect. Note the specific pools I named. If you don't know how they work well thats fine but it might not be a good idea to provide "corrections" True. I was not aware that Eligius pool had changed their way to pay the shares. So you are right, my statement was incorrect. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/EligiusWhen a block is found, all miners who have reached the minimum payout threshold (currently about 0.17 BTC) are paid via the Generation transaction. |
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AussieHash
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November 02, 2013, 08:33:32 PM |
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Go thru that list and laugh at all the failure.... ASICMiner? Haven't shown much as of yet and gen 2 was a fail. Avalon? Lol...outdated chips and they screwed the entire community. Hashfast? Delivery before Dec 31st they are now saying....many of their cusotmers are realizing that they will never make money and are jumping ship. Bitfury...legit deliveries...only real competitor right now. Basically everyone who bought late is now asking for a refund and they intend to buy instead of mine. I'd say there will be no where near the difficulty that thread is proposing by the end of the year. It's got maybe a couple more big jump in diff left and then it will stall for a bit. The network hashrate has been growing by over 100TH per day. Even with KnC having shut down manufacturing till mid Nov, and ASICMiner/labcoin/tytus/HF/cointerra are late, the network is still growing at an increasing rate http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png |
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Bitcoinorama
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November 02, 2013, 08:37:20 PM |
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Regarding temperature sensor data, I decided to do a simple test...
Dude I've said Bertmod gives VRM temps, as has Uski. |
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ferda2mx
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November 02, 2013, 08:42:25 PM |
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Reporting back on FW 0.98.1 Jupiter 3 with 2 bad dies was hashing at 487 GH/s 20mins in with FW 0.98.1 I'm now hashing at 526 GH/s Still not 550- but I'll take it. Thank you for your report. Anyone tried to upgrade already good miner? I dont know if I have to risk messing it up |
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Bitcoinorama
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November 02, 2013, 08:47:49 PM |
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Reporting back on FW 0.98.1 Jupiter 3 with 2 bad dies was hashing at 487 GH/s 20mins in with FW 0.98.1 I'm now hashing at 526 GH/s Still not 550- but I'll take it. Thank you for your report. Anyone tried to upgrade already good miner? I dont know if I have to risk messing it up No need, this was to help the guys with failing die 0s. |
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FeedbackLoop
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November 02, 2013, 08:47:57 PM |
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Thank you for your experiment kill-switch, it totally matches what I've experienced. Also thanks for posting (maybe re-posting) those concrete values here. Very helpful! |
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FeedbackLoop
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November 02, 2013, 08:53:53 PM |
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Regarding temperature sensor data, I decided to do a simple test...
Dude I've said Bertmod gives VRM temps, as has Uski. Can you clarify regarding NON Bertmod reported temperatures? I imagine they are the same but to not leave margin for doubt here. Thank you. |
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November 02, 2013, 08:59:24 PM |
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BTW... I just ran Bertmod for the first time, It showed all cores on all machines at 100%, except one had 3 cores on a single die...dead... I tightened the screws a bit more on that board... (very tight) It brought them back!!!! Bertmod is awesome! Now 100% on all boards! edit...spoke too soon... they shut off one by one within two mins still... will try to coax them back.... I'm pretty sure Bertmod didn't do anything to bring your cores back from the dead. Bertmod just expands the stats for the KNC web GUI. |
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Bitcoinorama
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November 02, 2013, 09:00:11 PM |
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Regarding temperature sensor data, I decided to do a simple test...
Dude I've said Bertmod gives VRM temps, as has Uski. Can you clarify regarding NON Bertmod reported temperatures? I imagine they are the same but to not leave margin for doubt here. Thank you. Non Bertmod is from a separate temp sensor. |
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FeedbackLoop
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November 02, 2013, 09:01:26 PM |
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BTW... I just ran Bertmod for the first time, It showed all cores on all machines at 100%, except one had 3 cores on a single die...dead... I tightened the screws a bit more on that board... (very tight) It brought them back!!!! Bertmod is awesome! Now 100% on all boards! edit...spoke too soon... they shut off one by one within two mins still... will try to coax them back.... I'm pretty sure Bertmod didn't do anything to bring your cores back from the dead. Bertmod just expands the stats for the KNC web GUI. I'm quite sure he meant Bertmod was great for showing the bad cores. |
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FeedbackLoop
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November 02, 2013, 09:02:08 PM |
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Regarding temperature sensor data, I decided to do a simple test...
Dude I've said Bertmod gives VRM temps, as has Uski. Can you clarify regarding NON Bertmod reported temperatures? I imagine they are the same but to not leave margin for doubt here. Thank you. Non Bertmod is from a separate temp sensor. Can you say where that sensor is located? Even if it was posted before somewhere? Thanks! From kill-switch's phrasing when he mentioned Bertmod ("I have not taken current measurements on my device. Some users using Bertmod...") it seems he was using that "other sensor" then. |
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xstr8guy
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November 02, 2013, 09:05:49 PM |
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BTW... I just ran Bertmod for the first time, It showed all cores on all machines at 100%, except one had 3 cores on a single die...dead... I tightened the screws a bit more on that board... (very tight) It brought them back!!!! Bertmod is awesome! Now 100% on all boards! edit...spoke too soon... they shut off one by one within two mins still... will try to coax them back.... I'm pretty sure Bertmod didn't do anything to bring your cores back from the dead. Bertmod just expands the stats for the KNC web GUI. I'm quite sure he meant Bertmod was great for showing the bad cores. Ah, ok. I misunderstood the comment. Thanks for the correction. |
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