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So what's the point? Somebody at KNC needs to take a long hard look at their logistics and support -- and fix it.
Etc etc. Overall though, isn't that what Amazon etc are for? Just churn out the superior units and ship them by the containerload to someone that does all that etc etc etc stuff from their worldwide network of fulfillment centres? -MarkM- |
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davewr2013
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November 13, 2013, 03:32:02 PM |
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So what's the point? Somebody at KNC needs to take a long hard look at their logistics and support -- and fix it.
Etc etc. Overall though, isn't that what Amazon etc are for? Just churn out the superior units and ship them by the containerload to someone that does all that etc etc etc stuff from their worldwide network of fulfillment centres? -MarkM- That's one way of looking at it -- and indeed your opinion is correct -- in my assessment. However, this is still a specialty machine, and to use Amazon which is a distribution net you would have to determine the sales projections by region. Currently I think they are best off to remain centralized and fix their problems. Using Amazon they would also face "stale inventory" issues and could not fix problems in units that are near the shipping stage -- like I am sure they can now. There are too many advantages to staying centralized for now. Think about it and the issues may become apparent -- most are related to the speed of change in the "industry" (such as it is. |
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November 13, 2013, 03:32:50 PM |
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If bitcoin is only worth six hundred and some dollars next spring that would be very disappointing.
It needs to be worth thousands if it is ever to be actually used for real other than by some tiny clique. I have constantly been amazed at how long it managed not to go up into the thousands. Hopefully we have finally reached the start of the adoption curve...
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What could make it climb is if a small petroleum exporting country would offer a discount on filling mega-takers if paid in bitcoin. Yesterday I noticed 1 bitcoin was equal to the cost of 4 barrels of petroleum. That is a direct attack on the US petrodollar....what you suggest would be catastrophic for the US...they would attack that country immediately. Look at how they treat Argentina etc. for guidance in this area. |
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November 13, 2013, 03:40:51 PM |
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If bitcoin is only worth six hundred and some dollars next spring that would be very disappointing.
It needs to be worth thousands if it is ever to be actually used for real other than by some tiny clique. I have constantly been amazed at how long it managed not to go up into the thousands. Hopefully we have finally reached the start of the adoption curve...
-MarkM-
What could make it climb is if a small petroleum exporting country would offer a discount on filling mega-takers if paid in bitcoin. Yesterday I noticed 1 bitcoin was equal to the cost of 4 barrels of petroleum. That is a direct attack on the US petrodollar....what you suggest would be catastrophic for the US...they would attack that country immediately. Look at how they treat Argentina etc. for guidance in this area. Venezuela hasn't exactly been currying favor with the US. |
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November 13, 2013, 03:53:23 PM |
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In regards to shipping she told me that the original shipping price for the Jupiter was subsidized by them, because it costs more to send.
And the current shipping price for the Upgrade modules is in fact the real actual price of UPS.
She said that each Upgrade module is being shipped separately in its own box with its own tracking number and it weights around 300g.
So the reason you pay $60 per module is they are not going to ship them as one package and save on posting.
Well that explains that. I appreciate your asking on our behalf. If doing it that way allows them to ship one day earlier, the cost difference becomes more-or-less moot. I imagine the webstore, order system, fulfillment process, etc is all setup to ship one package per item ordered, as it should be when shipping big heavy miners (as are usually shipped). I understand that operations of this size cannot necessarily be as nimble as would be ideal. |
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November 13, 2013, 04:01:13 PM |
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Has anything started shipping yet?
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November 13, 2013, 04:06:12 PM |
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Has anything started shipping yet?
Don't think so. They'll probably start producing units (if they didnt sandbag them already) in the near future. I would expect a large amount of people to get their devices late next week. This difficulty jump will be a welcome relief after the next shipment. I expect another 2.8-3 PH to join the network. |
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November 13, 2013, 04:07:10 PM |
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is their customer support still reachable via phone? got a scandinavian voice from tape which I did not understand quite well. is this a international company and where can I read the business hours of the company? thank you! EDIT: Our second wave of shipment has sold out faster than we expected. We had aimed to sell from stock. However, due to the recent BTC price activity we sold. what does this mean?? From 9am yes, from 6/7am, dependant on when you rang earlier, no. It's CET time here, 6 hours ahead of New York (EST), and 1 hour ahead of London (GMT). Cust Serv are allowed to sleep. They are also allowed weekends off. The rest of us, not so lucky, although I suffer from insomnia. What the above means is media hype in the press caused a shit load of attention despite the fact we weren't trying with Adwords and some new peeps found out about mining, coupled with those that were set on waiting the pre-order game until a proven product existed. They ordered, stock sold. thank you, Bitcoinorama! I ordered via wire transfer last week in the night from Thursday to Friday and yesterday they canceled the order. So, 1.5 business days to pay via wire transfer? This is not a good business code of practice! I still try to reach them by phone but no sucess so far. Just a scandinavian voice from tape.  issue solved, order paid! was able to reach yesterday one of the guys arround 10:15 am CET by phone. |
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November 13, 2013, 04:08:15 PM |
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hmm, waking up to another price increase is nice.
hey you'll probably make more profit than us miners.. feel better now that you bought those bitcoins what.. less than 24 hours ago and you've already made a cool profit. hang on to them, here in Australia bitcoins are getting some pace.. probably better to say it's going VIRAL. |
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bronan
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November 13, 2013, 04:10:25 PM |
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Actually its 100 Gh for $950 that has proven todo in general 140 Gh average
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November 13, 2013, 04:19:22 PM |
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Actually its 100 Gh for $950 that has proven todo in general 140 Gh average
Yeah it's just the hash unit pretty much, and if it's like the ones I have now, 140-146 on average. |
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November 13, 2013, 04:24:00 PM |
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Has shipping started yet?
They clearly stated in the email having 200 units laying around, ready to be shipped!
Anybody got any emails from UPS with tracking #?
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November 13, 2013, 04:36:06 PM |
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is their customer support still reachable via phone? got a scandinavian voice from tape which I did not understand quite well. is this a international company and where can I read the business hours of the company? thank you! EDIT: Our second wave of shipment has sold out faster than we expected. We had aimed to sell from stock. However, due to the recent BTC price activity we sold. what does this mean?? From 9am yes, from 6/7am, dependant on when you rang earlier, no. It's CET time here, 6 hours ahead of New York (EST), and 1 hour ahead of London (GMT). Cust Serv are allowed to sleep. They are also allowed weekends off. The rest of us, not so lucky, although I suffer from insomnia. What the above means is media hype in the press caused a shit load of attention despite the fact we weren't trying with Adwords and some new peeps found out about mining, coupled with those that were set on waiting the pre-order game until a proven product existed. They ordered, stock sold. Try the weather channel, on low in the background. |
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November 13, 2013, 04:37:20 PM |
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hmm, waking up to another price increase is nice.
hey you'll probably make more profit than us miners.. feel better now that you bought those bitcoins what.. less than 24 hours ago and you've already made a cool profit. hang on to them, here in Australia bitcoins are getting some pace.. probably better to say it's going VIRAL. lol, so true man. yeah gonna put them in storage for a year and see what happens |
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markm
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November 13, 2013, 04:48:45 PM |
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So what's the point? Somebody at KNC needs to take a long hard look at their logistics and support -- and fix it.
Etc etc. Overall though, isn't that what Amazon etc are for? Just churn out the superior units and ship them by the containerload to someone that does all that etc etc etc stuff from their worldwide network of fulfillment centres? -MarkM- That's one way of looking at it -- and indeed your opinion is correct -- in my assessment. However, this is still a specialty machine, and to use Amazon which is a distribution net you would have to determine the sales projections by region. Currently I think they are best off to remain centralized and fix their problems. Using Amazon they would also face "stale inventory" issues and could not fix problems in units that are near the shipping stage -- like I am sure they can now. There are too many advantages to staying centralized for now. Think about it and the issues may become apparent -- most are related to the speed of change in the "industry" (such as it is. Oh sorry I wasn't thinking of course of the Amazon option whereby Amazon merely does fullfillment for a seller! Sorry! I was thinking an older version of Amazon, where the stale inventory problem would be their problem not the manufacturer's! If you don't want to be stuck with stale inventory don't order more container-loads than you can sell!  But yeah its not mass-market enough yet for that, of course currently Amazon would insist on doing the "we just fullfill for you" model instead of "we wanna buy containerloads of your hot gadget because we can sell it like hot cakes" model. Maybe if all goes well when the next generation comes out Amazon, NewEgg, The Source, heck everyone even slightly more slanted toward electronics/gadgets than Walmart/Kmart will be banging down their doors to pre-order containerloads of this hottest new gadget in years, that prints the newfangled $15,000+ per coin internet money known as bitcoin...  -MarkM- |
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davewr2013
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November 13, 2013, 05:00:20 PM |
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So what's the point? Somebody at KNC needs to take a long hard look at their logistics and support -- and fix it.
Etc etc. Overall though, isn't that what Amazon etc are for? Just churn out the superior units and ship them by the containerload to someone that does all that etc etc etc stuff from their worldwide network of fulfillment centres? -MarkM- That's one way of looking at it -- and indeed your opinion is correct -- in my assessment. However, this is still a specialty machine, and to use Amazon which is a distribution net you would have to determine the sales projections by region. Currently I think they are best off to remain centralized and fix their problems. Using Amazon they would also face "stale inventory" issues and could not fix problems in units that are near the shipping stage -- like I am sure they can now. There are too many advantages to staying centralized for now. Think about it and the issues may become apparent -- most are related to the speed of change in the "industry" (such as it is. Oh sorry I wasn't thinking of course of the Amazon option whereby Amazon merely does fullfillment for a seller! Sorry! I was thinking an older version of Amazon, where the stale inventory problem would be their problem not the manufacturer's! If you don't want to be stuck with stale inventory don't order more container-loads than you can sell! But yeah its not mass-market enough yet for that, of course currently Amazon would insist on doing the "we just fullfill for you" model instead of "we wanna buy containerloads of your hot gadget because we can sell it like hot cakes" model. Maybe if all goes well when the next generation comes out Amazon, NewEgg, The Source, heck everyone even slightly more slanted toward electronics/gadgets than Walmart/Kmart will be banging down their doors to pre-order containerloads of this hottest new gadget in years, that prints the newfangled $15,000+ per coin internet money known as bitcoin... -MarkM- I thought those were good insights -- so I went and looked and course you were right. I'll keep a closer watch on your posts. The is even a link to KNC miner from Amazon. Maybe $1000 by Easter --  Cheers! |
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November 13, 2013, 05:16:33 PM |
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November 13, 2013, 05:31:34 PM |
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Imake them on the same way...  |
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November 13, 2013, 05:51:52 PM |
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Imake them on the same way... So, looking reasonably simple press fit insulation piercing. Is there a best compression tool or are most going with channel lock pliers? I know when I make my own RJ45 connectors, the insulation piercing is okay but not 100%, 100% of the time and this with a fairly decent RJ45 crimping tool. When hashrate falls showing a module has died I'd bet the failure to be a homemade ribbon cable. I have ordered a roll of cable with connectors. Just wondering about a best compression tool without getting to ampenol costs. |
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November 13, 2013, 05:57:02 PM |
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Imake them on the same way... So, looking reasonably simple press fit insulation piercing. Is there a best compression tool or are most going with channel lock pliers? I know when I make my own RJ45 connectors, the insulation piercing is okay but not 100%, 100% of the time and this with a fairly decent RJ45 crimping tool. When hashrate falls showing a module has died I'd bet the failure to be a homemade ribbon cable. I have ordered a roll of cable with connectors. Just wondering about a best compression tool without getting to ampenol costs. |
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